Israel: the Apartheid state

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

You do know that the nation of Israel was STOLEN from the Palestinian people, don't you?

If Mexico invaded Texas and shoved you and your family into a ghetto, would you not retaliate in any way possible?

From what I recall that land was desolate barren wasteland before the Israelis got there. Made it prosperous, could easily have shared that prosperity with the Palestinians but their reluctance to even allow Israelis to live sort makes a two state solution sorta...well...impossible.

With respect to your scenario, if that occurred I would expect the Mexicans to wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if me and mine could not find a way to live peacefully next to them. Strong horse and all.

If the Palestinians can not find a way to get over it, IMO the best thing the Israelis could do ( for the Israelis )would be to end it.

You make it sound as if the Israelis themselves haven't been conquered and driven out of their homeland by first Romans and then Muslims. Like history only started in 1945ish. When exactly did Islam conquer that territory anyway?

Sorry, stuff happens.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

From what I recall that land was desolate barren wasteland before the Israelis got there. Made it prosperous, could easily have shared that prosperity with the Palestinians but their reluctance to even allow Israelis to live sort makes a two state solution sorta...well...impossible.

With respect to your scenario, if that occurred I would expect the Mexicans to wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if me and mine could not find a way to live peacefully next to them. Strong horse and all.

If the Palestinians can not find a way to get over it, IMO the best thing the Israelis could do ( for the Israelis )would be to end it.

You make it sound as if the Israelis themselves haven't been conquered and driven out of their homeland by first Romans and then Muslims. Like history only started in 1945ish. When exactly did Islam conquer that territory anyway?

Sorry, stuff happens.

Gotta call bullshit, Dude... Weren't you saying something about America violently revolting if Obama got elected? I don't believe for one moment that you would peacefully cohabitate with a foreign invader if they took your home by military force. I know I certainly wouldn't, and I'm a pussy liberal pacifist.

The Jewish people were forced out of the Holy Land first by the Caligula, a Roman, then by Saladin, a Khurd (the people America teamed up with to overthrow Saddam Hussein) - the Palestinians are neither... Hell, they even fought alongside Jews against the Christians during the Second Crusade.

Zionism has always been a Western (mostly British) strategy to create unrest in the Muslim world because, well, oil and imperialism.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Gotta call bullshit, Dude... Weren't you saying something about America violently revolting if Obama got elected? I don't believe for one moment that you would peacefully cohabitate with a foreign invader if they took your home by military force. I know I certainly wouldn't, and I'm a pussy liberal pacifist.

Nope, can't recall that, about Obama. Maybe you can refresh my memory on that.

I'm not so sure you are hearing me. If I did not find a way to coexist ( much like Indians and they were made of a lot sterner stuff than you or I were ) then I would expect the Mexicans to beat it and kill it out of me.

Tbh..I expect with as little of an independent "state" that the Palestinians had ( much less than Texas for sure ) that I would see the writing on the wall. I sure as shite wouldn't raise my children up to blow themselves up, I'm quite sure of that. So no I call bullshit on your romanticized version of what you would do as well. Winners kick losers arses, they always have been.

The Jewish people were forced out of the Holy Land first by the Caligula, a Roman, then by Saladin, a Khurd (the people America teamed up with to overthrow Saddam Hussein) - the Palestinians are neither... Hell, they even fought alongside Jews against the Christians during the Second Crusade.

Zionism has always been a Western (mostly British) strategy to create unrest in the Muslim world because, well, oil and imperialism.

As I said, the Palestinians have no more claim of a homeland there than the Israelis as I see it. They are on the wrong side of history. Their lives would be a hell of a lot better if they made peace with Israel and the rest of the Arab nations who have them "ghettoed" just as much as Israel does. Takes more than a single wall to ghetto make.

[Underdog]

The argument I'm reading here is akin to telling a woman who is being raped to "just go with it, you're not big enough to win this fight."

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

The argument I'm reading here is akin to telling a woman who is being raped to "just go with it, you're not big enough to win this fight."

You mean after the woman has bitten off your pecker? Drowned all of your children and burned down your house?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

You mean after the woman has bitten off your pecker? Drowned all of your children and burned down your house?

After you raped her? F*ck yes.

In case you aren't keeping score, Israel started this war and they've killed 10x more people than they've lost... According to Amnesty International, over 70% of Palestinian deaths were unarmed civilians and children. Also, there have been more Israeli soldiers killed in accidents than by the hands of Palestinian freedom fighters.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

After you raped her? F*ck yes.

In case you aren't keeping score, Israel started this war and they've killed 10x more people than they've lost... According to Amnesty International, over 70% of Palestinian deaths were unarmed civilians and children. Also, there have been more Israeli soldiers killed in accidents than by the hands of Palestinian freedom fighters.

No before you raped her. The Palestinians are the ones keeping this hate fest alive.

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by dude1394

From what I recall that land was desolate barren wasteland before the Israelis got there. Made it prosperous, could easily have shared that prosperity with the Palestinians but their reluctance to even allow Israelis to live sort makes a two state solution sorta...well...impossible.

With respect to your scenario, if that occurred I would expect the Mexicans to wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if me and mine could not find a way to live peacefully next to them. Strong horse and all.

If the Palestinians can not find a way to get over it, IMO the best thing the Israelis could do ( for the Israelis )would be to end it.

You make it sound as if the Israelis themselves haven't been conquered and driven out of their homeland by first Romans and then Muslims. Like history only started in 1945ish. When exactly did Islam conquer that territory anyway?

Sorry, stuff happens.

Romans and the Islamic caliphate weren't Western style democracies, yet you keep on comparing Israel to them. Do you not think Israel is a Western style democracy?