Do you think we'll make a major trade before the deadline? - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

frankvizza · 12-24-2010, 09:58 AM

i'm hoping we don't make any moves yet we are playing to good ,, but if we have to make a few moves it will be butler , haywood , barea, i think mahimmi is a better player than haywood , i wouldn't doubt alginca is better , we need a solid backup pg

jthig32 · 12-24-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I'm starting to waver on iggy...butler is starting to fix some of the things that was plaguing him earlier. He's into the flow offense much better. Getting the ball and making his move.

He's also not moping about Marion's role anymore either (I can't provide a link but I sort of think he was).

If he continues to do that then it would be tough to pull the Andre trigger. He's still not a distributor at all and he doesn't finish very well, but he's a gamer and tough on the boards in traffice.

I've seen him come out with some rebounds that were gotten from sheer grit. That's a nice...

Butler, as much as his game frustrates me, at least still has the ability to be a primary offensive weapon when he's playing well. Iggy does not have that.

All else being equal I'd still much rather have Iggy, but at the cost of future assets, the cost of team chemistry, and the cost of Iggy's contract, I'm pretty much out of Iggy at this point.

tcat075 · 12-24-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Butler, as much as his game frustrates me, at least still has the ability to be a primary offensive weapon when he's playing well. Iggy does not have that.

All else being equal I'd still much rather have Iggy, but at the cost of future assets, the cost of team chemistry, and the cost of Iggy's contract, I'm pretty much out of Iggy at this point.

He's been much better lately taking his shots within the offense. His isolation jumpers are seemingly less frequent and the frequency which he takes the ball to the hole is increasing.

tcat075 · 12-24-2010, 12:43 PM

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well look at the entire body of work then. butler averages more points per game than iggy, and shoots a higher percentage than iggy does from the field, free throw line, and 3 point line. butler is playing on a good team with other good scorers and iggy isn't. iggy averages 8 more minutes per game than butler does (37mpg-29mpg) on a bad team and still can't outscore butler. so i don't understand why we need to mess with team chemistry to bring in a guy that butler has outperformed. i know his rebounding is higher than butler (6.0rpg-4.3rpg) but again, butler plays 8 less minutes a game. i just need someone to really convince me how this is even a significant upgrade because i'm just not seeing it here. butler is really finding his groove here in dallas after a slow start and i think we need to hang on to him.

You clearly need to read my previous posts, where I basically say the same thing you just said. Taking one game, though, and then having five or six people comment on using it as a reason not to get Iggy is crazy.

tcat075 · 12-24-2010, 06:11 PM

So...does this count as a major trade? I'm not sure.

The Mavericks would probably on insist on a first rounder or two as well.

Kante · 12-24-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

So...does this count as a major trade? I'm not sure.

The Mavericks would probably on insist on a first rounder or two as well.

Solid one, no major!

badfish22 · 12-24-2010, 07:39 PM

Neat fact I saw at DB: The Mavs are 46-12 since the J-Ho trade.

Underdog · 12-24-2010, 07:43 PM

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Neat fact I saw at DB: The Mavs are 46-12 since the J-Ho trade.

Addition by subtraction...

dude1394 · 12-24-2010, 08:55 PM

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Neat fact I saw at DB: The Mavs are 46-12 since the J-Ho trade.

Wow...that's a heck of a record...65 win season...

That crappy playoff record sure puts the kibosh on the good feelings from it. We'll just have to change that this year won't we?

xrobx · 12-28-2010, 11:52 AM

"He said he couldn't push off it. He's having some problems with his legs."
—Coach Doug Collins, on G/F Andre Iguodala sitting out Monday's 110-95 road loss to the Warriors with right Achilles tendinitis.

Underdog · 12-28-2010, 11:58 AM

Pass.

BGMaverick9 · 12-28-2010, 01:46 PM

sure I am whoring it...but it's good stuff.

We've got a lengthy segment on MOR from Monday discussing trade angles.

41mvp · 12-28-2010, 01:52 PM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=28hvczv
LOL

dalger · 12-28-2010, 02:19 PM

I'm really inclined to use the old "Let's go to war with what we've got" line. It used to be a desperation line after being unable to get a trade done. This time there aren't a whole lot of reasons to make changes, simply because we're a good to great team and due to the lack of options. Even a straight Caron for Iggy deal, which looked like a no brainer after last season, doesn't seem to be particularly interesting. And then, there's still Roddy to hopefully make a difference later in the season.

There are no guarantees that we can keep it up and reach the promised land, not in a league as good as this one, but we have every reason to believe that we can give any team a really good fight. Obviously, this could change, just like a seemingly reasonable trade could do damage.

mac222b · 12-29-2010, 04:42 AM

Think we should make a play for Troy Murphy if the Nets buy him out. Dan Fegan (Shawn Marion, Jet) is his agent and we're in good with him.

Also we'll have our MLE to offer whereas most other teams(Orlando, Miami) wont.

sefant77 · 12-29-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=28hvczv
LOL

what is wrong with you?

Luc · 12-29-2010, 08:58 AM

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=26z4qrs

41mvp · 12-29-2010, 09:01 AM

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what is wrong with you?

hey this trade machine is sometimes very funny.If you believe in this deal?

Thomas86 · 12-29-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Think we should make a play for Troy Murphy if the Nets buy him out. Dan Fegan (Shawn Marion, Jet) is his agent and we're in good with him.

Also we'll have our MLE to offer whereas most other teams(Orlando, Miami) wont.

Yes and cut Cardinal and Novak if you have to.

Underdog · 12-29-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Luc

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=26z4qrs

Why would Charlotte do this?

Underdog · 12-29-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Yes and cut Cardinal and Novak if you have to.

We still have an open roster slot.

Luc · 12-29-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would Charlotte do this?

They get a starting center, exp. Stevenson.
And get rid of Jax contract.

We could make some package including JJB. They could use a PG. I wouldn't mind Brown as a back-up center either.

I think Charlotte wil be looking to do some deals.

Underdog · 12-29-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Luc

They get a starting center, exp. Stevenson.
And get rid of Jax contract.

We could make some package including JJB. They could use a PG. I wouldn't mind Brown as a back-up center either.

I think Charlotte wil be looking to do some deals.

They'd trade Mohammed's $6.8mil expiring for Stevenson's $4.1mil expiring, dedicate 5 and 1/2 seasons to Haywood when Mohammad is putting up better numbers in less minutes and trade Jackson's (best player in the trade) $23.4mil/2.5 seasons contract for Terry's $16.7mil/1.5 year contract - I'm sure they could do better than that...

41mvp · 12-29-2010, 10:06 AM

What do you think about Vince Carter?probably PHX wants trade him

Luc · 12-29-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

They'd trade Mohammed's $6.8mil expiring for Stevenson's $4.1mil expiring, dedicate 5 and 1/2 seasons to Haywood when Mohammad is putting up better numbers in less minutes and trade Jackson's (best player in the trade) $23.4mil/2.5 seasons contract for Terry's $16.7mil/1.5 year contract - I'm sure they could do better than that...

You could be right, but stranger things have happened.

Still think we could do some kind of deal with Charlotte.

Luc · 12-29-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

What do you think about Vince Carter?probably PHX wants trade him

I think he's done and not what we need.

Kante · 12-29-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

What do you think about Vince Carter?probably PHX wants trade him

Man, you are clearly the one with the worst Trade ideas...

41mvp · 12-29-2010, 10:27 AM

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41mvp · 12-29-2010, 10:29 AM

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Man, you are clearly the one with the worst Trade ideas...

it's only proposition

dude1394 · 12-29-2010, 11:40 AM

This thread is just a sneaky attempt at putting a trade thread in the main page. It should be moved to where it belongs...

Now to be fair it probably didn't start out that way but....

j0Shi · 12-29-2010, 02:27 PM

Not really the category of a major trade, but as we tried to get a decent backup for Dirk in the offseason this is maybe interesting:

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After suspending Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee one game for an altercation outside of a club, league sources say that the Washington Wizards will consider trading either Blatche or McGee in the coming weeks. The team will gauge interest around the league and after shopping the players, decision whether or not a trade would be the right move for the franchise.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz19Wtqy5uO

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I really don't know Blatche and his game, but statswise he seems to have an inside-game (5.6 shots at the rim per game. Tyson leads DAL so far with 2.9 0-o) and is a reliable rebounder. Its a big contract, but basically the same category as Harrington (35 to 33 over the next 5 years ... plus he is 4 years younger than Harrington), who we wanted during offseason.

Don't know what Washington would want in return, but since Arenas went out they could use some depth in the backcourt.

Usually Lurkin · 12-29-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

This thread is just a sneaky attempt at putting a trade thread in the main page. It should be moved to where it belongs...

Now to be fair it probably didn't start out that way but....

seconded! Get on it, mods.

Kidd Karma · 12-29-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 41mvp

What do you think about Vince Carter?probably PHX wants trade him

No thanks, would kill ball movement. The high flying Carter is gone.

Dirkadirkastan · 12-29-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I really don't know Blatche and his game, but statswise he seems to have an inside-game (5.6 shots at the rim per game.

Behold, Andray Blatche's inside game.

41mvp · 12-30-2010, 02:36 AM

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Behold, Andray Blatche's inside game.

hahahahah loser haahaha

mavs777 · 12-30-2010, 03:13 AM

Blatche is a pretty good young player, problem is I think he would pout like Haywood if came off the bench

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 03:22 AM

anybodys opinion change with Butlers injury? If it is severe I highly doubt we don't make a move

41mvp · 01-02-2011, 06:16 AM

Haywood and Stevenson for Kevin Martin

Luc · 01-02-2011, 08:29 AM

We have to get rid of Terry and Haywood. Take Terry and get exp. Butler.
Take Haywood and get exp. Stevenson.

b_o_r · 01-02-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Think we should make a play for Troy Murphy if the Nets buy him out. Dan Fegan (Shawn Marion, Jet) is his agent and we're in good with him.

Also we'll have our MLE to offer whereas most other teams(Orlando, Miami) wont.

I like this trade because its small (won't cost as much) yet significant. If you give Dirk a backup, Marion can play SF exclusively. Troy is a good rebounder (cardinal isn't cutting it) and has an inside out game as well.Then you can make minor trades for possibly a backup PG, SF.