GDT: game 43 - Clippers (30-13) at Mavs (27-15) 7:30 NBATV - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 01-22-2020, 12:11 AM

JJ needs to be considered in helping close out games.

Melonhead · 01-22-2020, 12:16 AM

Can’t imagine KP finishes his career in Dallas. Prob won’t get a second max from the Mavs.

Delon brother not helping

Maxi about to get overplayed and exposed from trying to do too much

Can’t put Powell in any trade deal so I can’t imagine if they’ll be able to package anything together. JJ and Lee about the only two guys I’d be okay with.

j0Shi · 01-22-2020, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Wright is the same player he has been the last 5 seasons and the stats are basically identical to his Toronto numbers. Wright's problem is that he doesn't know how to run a team and isn't a very good pg. We have plenty of those guys on the team already.

I agree. With his style of play he's competing for Luka's backup minutes and is a situational sub as defensive specialist. I do think the Mavs hoped he'd become more of a playmaker, but that hasn't happened yet. Ideally you want a better shooter in that role anyway.

Dallas41 · 01-22-2020, 12:52 AM

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Fun game to watch. Hate to see an L, but maybe, just maybe the Mavs will learn something from this game about playing some bigger lineups.

Don't hold your breath

Carlisle will go small by any means necessary because it's in his DNA

The man just loves small lineups and itches to use them.

As for luka the worst thing that could happen is for him to make a few early 3's because if that happens he's going to continue to jack them up all game regardless if he's missing them or not....

I'm just hoping with experience that he'll learn when to keep shooting that shot and when to just drive it inside

sefant77 · 01-22-2020, 01:05 AM

Whats with the Dorell Wright stuff? Missed most of the game

Dallas41 · 01-22-2020, 01:36 AM

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Whats with the Dorell Wright stuff? Missed most of the game

Isnt it funny how the mavs said the primary reason why they signed Wright was because he lit them up with 2 triple doubles last year

I mean just because a guy torches your team doesn't mean that's how he'll play for you

I like Wright but I think he would be better off somewhere else like crowder did when he got traded

Maybe we tangle him and Brunson for another big

LukaThaDon · 01-22-2020, 02:04 AM

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Isnt it funny how the mavs said the primary reason why they signed Wright was because he lit them up with 2 triple doubles last year

I mean just because a guy torches your team doesn't mean that's how he'll play for you

I like Wright but I think he would be better off somewhere else like crowder did when he got traded

Maybe we tangle him and Brunson for another big

By the time we signed Wright free agency was at the very end and we had already missed out on everybody even Danny Green iirc. It wasn't like there were great alternatives to use the money on at the time.

j0Shi · 01-22-2020, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LukaThaDon

By the time we signed Wright free agency was at the very end and we had already missed out on everybody even Danny Green iirc. It wasn't like there were great alternatives to use the money on at the time.

Wright was one of Mavs primary targets. They wanted him.

dirt_dobber · 01-22-2020, 05:40 AM

Nick Angstadt@NickVanExit
So many factors.
- Porzingis Back, Rusty
- Dwight Powell Devestation
- LA Refs Travel
- Another Clutch Loss
- Kawhi insane

@ESefko -- Kristaps Porzingis on his return: "If I played just a little bit better, we would have won the game. This loss is on me. I just have to play better for my team . . . for my coaches. And I know it’s my first game back and all that, but I always have high expectations for myself."

dirt_dobber · 01-22-2020, 05:45 AM

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Delon is criminally underplayed

agree - his brother Dorell is causing a bit of a mess on twitter with chirping about playing time.

oilfieldtrash · 01-22-2020, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Wright was one of Mavs primary targets. They wanted him.

lol. Even worse.

Dallas41 · 01-22-2020, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

Nick Angstadt@NickVanExit
So many factors.
- Porzingis Back, Rusty
- Dwight Powell Devestation
- LA Refs Travel
- Another Clutch Loss
- Kawhi insane

@ESefko -- Kristaps Porzingis on his return: "If I played just a little bit better, we would have won the game. This loss is on me. I just have to play better for my team . . . for my coaches. And I know it’s my first game back and all that, but I always have high expectations for myself."

I like KP but what if we have this thing all wrong and KP is really just a 3rd option?

The way he is being used makes me believe he's always going to be inconsistent because he's not a great shooter.

He's not Dirk on any level offensively and he might just be a high level 3&D big player who just happens to play PF

What if mavs viewed KP as a legit 2nd option but his style of play only allows him to be 3rd wheel to a title contender?

Hell think about this THJ might be more impactful than KP on offense and no one thought THJ was a 3rd option let alone a 2nd option

A wing like Brogdon who went to Indiana this summer would have been our 2nd best player so that is why I think the mavs might have miscalculated on KP being that 2nd option.

He's possibly a high level 3rd wheel to a title team

sefant77 · 01-22-2020, 09:48 AM

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A wing like Brogdon who went to Indiana this summer would have been our 2nd best player so that is why I think the mavs might have miscalculated on KP being that 2nd option.

He's possibly a high level 3rd wheel to a title team

Kemba was their primary FA target so there goes your theory

turin · 01-22-2020, 09:51 AM

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It needs to be hammered home that KP, yes after a few games, needs to figure it out on offense. That is such a puzzling negative to the season that just hasn't been resolved at all. I seriously thought the last thing that we should be worried about would be KP's offense.

Agree 100%. The Mavs need to focus day and night on solving the KP puzzle. Hell, swallow your pride and talk to some people outside the organization if you can't come up with anything. I'm sure Donnie could ask his dad for an idea or two. Better him asking than Cuban. ;-)

turin · 01-22-2020, 09:54 AM

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Boban seems to match up well vs the Clippers. If the Mavs had Covington along with DFS to throw out there, against George and Kawhi, then Porzingis, Maxi, and Boban might be all the center you need.

I honestly haven't seen Covington play much, but based on more informed comments here, he sounds like a very good fit. Sign me up. I'm on board. We need some help at least for depth. Is Mejri still out there?

turin · 01-22-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Also hindsight, maybe if we had pushed the ball the Clips wouldn't have been coached up on fouling before we can get a 3 off for the tie.

Very good point. Some people are not going to like this because it's critical of RC, but these late game strategic scenarios should be drilled into the team until they are habitual. These scenarios should be gone over regularly in practice. There was no need to call a timeout. RC took the timeout to organize and think about how he wanted to finish the last possession. The problem is that most coaches with half a brain should be fouling to put a guy on the FT line for 2 shots rather than risk a game tying 3. See Green and 1st mav-laker game. RC and the entire team should've known what to do in this situation long before the team arrived at the arena for this game. Just my .02. They gave up any advantage they had in that situation when RC called the timeout.

Edit: Yes, I get calling a timeout for shooter subs in that situtaion, but if you've got a shooter or two on the floor, you can push the ball and if they're not open fairly quickly for a shot, then you can call your timeout if you really think you need to, which I don't.

turin · 01-22-2020, 10:06 AM

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You can't beat the refs. This game was lost when Harrell got to the ft line on a charge and shamet hit a 3 after a blatant foul on a rebound

Yeah, not the zebras best moment. Well, I hope it paid well. :-(

Dallas41 · 01-22-2020, 10:52 AM

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Very good point. Some people are not going to like this because it's critical of RC, but these late game strategic scenarios should be drilled into the team until they are habitual. These scenarios should be gone over regularly in practice. There was no need to call a timeout. RC took the timeout to organize and think about how he wanted to finish the last possession. The problem is that most coaches with half a brain should be fouling to put a guy on the FT line for 2 shots rather than risk a game tying 3. See Green and 1st mav-laker game. RC and the entire team should've known what to do in this situation long before the team arrived at the arena for this game. Just my .02. They gave up any advantage they had in that situation when RC called the timeout.

Edit: Yes, I get calling a timeout for shooter subs in that situtaion, but if you've got a shooter or two on the floor, you can push the ball and if they're not open fairly quickly for a shot, then you can call your timeout if you really think you need to, which I don't.

There have been a few games not just this year where I felt RC has not really shined as a coach in clutch situations

Also I get frustrated when I see certain coaches fouling guys in situations where they refuse to let the other team hit a 3 to tie the game and RC rarely uses that strategy

The 1st Lakers game you mentioned was a prime example that had they fouled D.Green never gets the chance to hit that game tying 3

This happened vs Portland one game this year also where if the mavs foul lilliard doesn't get to tie the game

It seems like every time the mavs are in that situation to win a game instead of fouling before the 3 point shot they choose to play it out and more often than not it doesnt work out the mavs ways

LukaThaDon · 01-22-2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Wright was one of Mavs primary targets. They wanted him.

He was not a tier 1 free agent that they wanted. They wanted big fish like they always do. He was a backup plan after the fact and I don't remember him even being mentioned before or during the first days of free agents. I'm not saying he wasn't someone they liked but there's so much gray area in what you're saying you act like they met with him at midnight day 1 of free agency. That's what they would do for a real primary target.

FreshJive · 01-22-2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Whats with the Dorell Wright stuff? Missed most of the game

Did you ever figure this out? Can’t find anything. I browsed his twitter and didn’t see anything.

FreshJive · 01-22-2020, 11:49 AM

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He was not a tier 1 free agent that they wanted. They wanted big fish like they always do. He was a backup plan after the fact and I don't remember him even being mentioned before or during the first days of free agents. I'm not saying he wasn't someone they liked but there's so much gray area in what you're saying you act like they met with him at midnight day 1 of free agency. That's what they would do for a real primary target.

I think Carlisle or Cuban called him on day 1. Cuban said that he was a primary target when talking about Mavs twitter blowing up over the off season.

EricaLubarsky · 01-22-2020, 12:46 PM

Our offense is stifled because we don't have superstars other than Luka and no two-man game.

For most of the game we use flow offense which makes it hard for teams to counter us. We flow into some good shots and it's enjoyable to watch unless they really figure us out.

In the fourth, teams just play Luka harder or they dare Luka to beat them. Without a two-man game or another star, Luka has nothing to work with and none of our other guys is effective.

Dallas41 · 01-22-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Our offense is stifled because we don't have superstars other than Luka and no two-man game.

For most of the game we use flow offense which makes it hard for teams to counter us. We flow into some good shots and it's enjoyable to watch unless they really figure us out.

In the fourth, teams just play Luka harder or they dare Luka to beat them. Without a two-man game or another star, Luka has nothing to work with and none of our other guys is effective.

Problem is we never used KP and Luka in the two man game much this year so we never found out if they could close out games in the 4th qtr

I think the mavs have hurt themselves in terms of figuring out how to use KP and make him effective

My best hope is that this injury to Powell forces RC to use KP more in Powell's role on offense and Kleber becomes more of the stretch big in KP'S role

But I know that's just wishful thinking on my part

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-22-2020, 02:14 PM

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My best hope is that this injury to Powell forces RC to use KP more in Powell's role on offense and Kleber becomes more of the stretch big in KP'S role

A lot of people have wanted KP in that role for some time, and now there is little excuse not to do it. You can't have KP clanking long shots all game long. Get him some damn easy baskets. This can't possibly be that complicated.

EricaLubarsky · 01-22-2020, 02:18 PM

Mavs overall
1st in OFF RTG
16th in DEF RTG

Mavs in clutch
28th in OFF RTG
16th in DEF RTG

Only the Pistons and Hawks are worse at scoring in the clutch.

SMC0007 · 01-22-2020, 04:53 PM

I doubt it matters what position KP plays. Rick is gonna find a way to perimeter his ass. Gotta get the opposing center out of the paint for the one single guy we have (Luka) to drive the ball. If he were going to mix up the "system" and how we use KP, wouldnt we have seen some of it by now?

turin · 01-23-2020, 03:13 PM

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I doubt it matters what position KP plays. Rick is gonna find a way to perimeter his ass. Gotta get the opposing center out of the paint for the one single guy we have (Luka) to drive the ball. If he were going to mix up the "system" and how we use KP, wouldnt we have seen some of it by now?

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