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A very nice treatise on european versus american political systems. The most intriguing part is how the european system (i.e. socialism) treats diversity versus the american system. The wisdom of the founding fathers continues to just blow me away, they were either aliens or divinely inspired.
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There remains a very deep strain of America’s political culture that is fiercely independent. Our politics should continue to allow its expression. In many quarters there remains a rough and ready “Don’t tread on me” attitude. This is nothing to be ashamed of, or read out of our politics; it is to be defended, even gloried in. It is the very source of America’s ability to temper the powerful forces pushing toward government-mandated equality of condition. It is the basis for America’s long history of prudence in not asking the central government to do too much. And it is therefore also the basis on which we have preserved—at least up until the present moment—a degree of fiscal sanity.


So, too, with our celebration of diversity. The most rough-hewn American with a gun rack on his truck—and the congressman he sends to Washington—are more genuinely independent-minded than the most outré performer on Europe’s weirdest stage. When Europe encounters genuine ethnic, religious, or cultural diversity—the Turk in Germany, the Algerian Muslim in France, the Pakistani in London—it stumbles because it does not know how to permit diversity to flourish. It is in these encounters that Europe reverts to form and seeks to level differences under the power of the state. Where that fails, only marginalization is possible.
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Old 05-08-2010, 09:54 AM   #2
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Lol, I thought this was a EuroLeague thread until I noticed it was in the Political Arena...
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Amen...then again, if not beer, perhaps a good Margarita!!!
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Not in Arizona - they might deport you for that!

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A very nice treatise on european versus american political systems. The most intriguing part is how the european system (i.e. socialism) treats diversity versus the american system. The wisdom of the founding fathers continues to just blow me away, they were either aliens or divinely inspired.
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/europe-no-model
funny cause you always sound like an indoctrinated alien. ever think about things or just go right down main street 150mph?
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Hmm an indoctrinated alien, what exactly is that? And sure I think about a lot of things...probably just don't come to the same conclusions as yourself.
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Hmm an indoctrinated alien, what exactly is that? And sure I think about a lot of things...probably just don't come to the same conclusions as yourself.
an indoctrinated alien is what they sell when the jerk store runs out of you!
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Deep, deep intellectual stuff is going on.. can't you tell?
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Deep, deep intellectual stuff is going on.. can't you tell?
I love every one of your Mavs posts, but I'm kinda scared of you. It's kind of my fault for following a Texas based message board. I feel like you're great candidate for nature vs nurture studies. I think if you were born in Boston, Mas you might be a staunch defender of liberal ideas.

I'd love for people to ban me for this, but thanks to you I sort of understand now how Nazi Germany and the Empire in Star Wars was possible as you would probably support the Republicans bombing Sweden, France and Mexico if they gave you some convincing talking points.
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I love every one of your Mavs posts, but I'm kinda scared of you. It's kind of my fault for following a Texas based message board. I feel like you're great candidate for nature vs nurture studies. I think if you were born in Boston, Mas you might be a staunch defender of liberal ideas.
You shouldn't be so quick to generalize people in Texas.

The city of Austin would have drug-induced gay sex with your father on top of a burning American flag while aborting the baby Jesus without so much as flinching...
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Wait ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ahhhh , OK !

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I love every one of your Mavs posts, but I'm kinda scared of you. It's kind of my fault for following a Texas based message board. I feel like you're great candidate for nature vs nurture studies. I think if you were born in Boston, Mas you might be a staunch defender of liberal ideas.

I'd love for people to ban me for this, but thanks to you I sort of understand now how Nazi Germany and the Empire in Star Wars was possible as you would probably support the Republicans bombing Sweden, France and Mexico if they gave you some convincing talking points.


It surprises me that promoting self-reliance, limited government, self responsibility some how gets confused with nazi germany and totalitarian governments. It is kinda weird since it is the liberal that continues to want to give government more and more power (i.e. nazi germany and the empire). Then one day they will wake up and say wha' happened?
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Here is another example. I believe this guy is pretty right on, but somehow many would claim he's a nazi or some sort of person who would want to control everything, when it's far,far from the point.

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VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: Death of the Postmodernist Dream. “As crises mount abroad and voters’ anger grows at home, Obama’s dream of a new world order has died a quiet death. . . . So the welfare state is discredited. In the past, we used to be warned that static population growth, vast public-sector employment, early and generous retirement benefits, and high taxes were not sustainable. In recent years, those lectures were caricatured as partisan or hypothetical. No longer. The Greek meltdown — with Ireland, Italy, Portugal, and Spain on the brink — has shown that European socialism does not work. Bankruptcy, not politics, is the final arbiter: Individuals, firms, and nations either buy particular bonds or they don’t. And a nation like Greece, in turn, either pays what it has borrowed or it doesn’t. All the op-eds in the New York Times cannot change that fact.”
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http://www.allproudamericans.com/ame...overnment.html

Quite educational and non-partisan. Eye opening to watch this video and then think about the respective parties and the parts they've played to bring down the "Republic"
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