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Old 12-13-2009, 09:01 AM   #1
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Default 27+ points per game?

Me thinks the Mavs are best when the Dirkster is shooting early and often.

Do we think he can end the season above 27 p.p.g.?
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:52 AM   #2
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:08 AM   #3
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Why not just put that question in the Dirk is great thread?

I think he can... but he was on that pace in the 04-05 season. But he rested at the end of that season. I think that will happen again this year.

(Btw I think this thread is a jinx thread. It is like when people say in the GDT: it will be an easy game.)
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when howard is back dirk will get a couple less shots a game again. so i doubt it going to be below 27 points for sure.
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Why not just put that question in the Dirk is great thread?
Because he didn't want to?

I think Dirk will average a little less than 26 a game on the season. At some point, you hope to have Howard back full time. If so, that will cut into Dirk's attempts a bit. However, it should allow him to get a couple of easier looks each game once some of the offensive pressure is alleviated with a legit #2 on the court.
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I know that "New Thread" button is so tempting but come on people....
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If you don't think it's thread worthy, shut up and move on. Flaco, Hitman's been here alot longer than you and his contribued quite a bit to this forum. I think he's shown that he's more than capable of deciding whether or not something is thread worthy.

The site doesn't need some friggin newbie harrassing someone that's been a solid contributor to this forum for nearly a decade.

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Murph, the reason why is because it is simply a yes or no question. So essentially all you have is a ton of posts that have no basketball discussion whatsoever. You know, the same thing you b*tch about all the time?

(And yes I know this post isn't basketball related either.)

I am pretty sure if a "newbie" as you deem them started a new topic that said:

"Will Dampier average 9 rebounds a game?"

You would be the first guy whining/b*tching/complaining to the mods and everyone else how this board has gone downhill and there are no topics for discussion.

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Surely you can take a yes or no question and make a discussion out of it,..can't you? I didn't answer just yes or no.. I gave my opinion and stated why. That's probably what he was looking for.

And yes, there have been many threads on this site that have had yes or no type questions in the past..such as polls.
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For what it's worth (and yes I know I am somewhat of a newbie here too) I have never seen such a high degree of bitching about new threads being created as I do here. And I am a regular lurker/contributor on at least half a dozen other message boards.

If a thread does not have discussable merit, it will fall down on its own. That is, unless we sit here and argue and bitch about whether it deserved a thread... then it stays at the top.

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... Excellent point. There is no issue on this forum with too many threads.. not even close. Actually, I'd say the issue is quite the opposite. Often, too many different discussions get lumped into one large thread. It ends up becoming difficult to carry on a conversation/debate about a specific topic because there are so many other issues being discussed in the thread.

This forum does not remotely have an issue with too many threads.. especially those that are "undeserving". If anything, this forum needs more threads and/or topics for discussion... not less.
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For what it's worth (and yes I know I am somewhat of a newbie here too) I have never seen such a high degree of bitching about new threads being created as I do here. And I am a regular lurker/contributor on at least half a dozen other message boards.

If a thread does not have discussable merit, it will fall down on its own. That is, unless we sit here and argue and bitch about whether it deserved a thread... then it stays at the top.
Outfreakinstanding reply!!!

Beware, these seems to be a lack of common sense at times on this board...not a mention, as you staded "Bitchiness" over pretty much nothing.

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... Excellent point. There is no issue on this forum with too many threads.. not even close. Actually, I'd say the issue is quite the opposite. Often, too many different discussions get lumped into one large thread. It ends up becoming difficult to carry on a conversation/debate about a specific topic because there are so many other issues being discussed in the thread.

This forum does not remotely have an issue with too many threads.. especially those that are "undeserving". If anything, this forum needs more threads and/or topics for discussion... not less.
My apologies Murph...but great added reply...unfortunately, I have to spread some rep before adding to yours.

No doubt...too much Thread Police around these parts...if one doesn't like a thread, then don't read or reply to it...move on, others can either carry on the conversation or let it fall into the woods

As for the topic...it would be great to see Dirk hit the 27 + PPG for the season...but will it...how important it is?

Honestly, we are so far away from Individual stats it's unreal...this team has come together and appears to be focused on ONE thing and ONE thing only. To win the Championship, while remaining under the radar!!!

As long as the Tim Donaghy conspiracy doesn't prove out to be correct, and Stern actually stays out of the way...then the Mavs with Dirk's MVP Type of season have a genuine shot at bringing the Title home to Big "D"!!!

That is all that matters...but yes, if Dirk hit the 27 PPG for the season, that would be a nice little icing on the cake if you will.
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... Excellent point. There is no issue on this forum with too many threads.. not even close. Actually, I'd say the issue is quite the opposite. Often, too many different discussions get lumped into one large thread. It ends up becoming difficult to carry on a conversation/debate about a specific topic because there are so many other issues being discussed in the thread.

This forum does not remotely have an issue with too many threads.. especially those that are "undeserving". If anything, this forum needs more threads and/or topics for discussion... not less.
That has always been my impression of this board as well; it doesn't seem have an overabundance of threads by any means. And as I said, message boards are self-regulating anyways. Stuff that's good at generating discussion will stay up top where it can be read/discussed, while stuff that sucks at generating discussion will naturally fall down.

Of course, every message board also has its own unique personality and history, which is important in its own right. It's fantastic to have senior members who have an interest in protecting the community and the content. But it's important (and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone specifically when I say this) to fight the urge to engage in turf wars and "grumpy old man" syndrome which causes you to complain about anything that deviates from what you remember of the good old days.
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Old 12-14-2009, 12:31 PM   #15
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I think Dirk should shoot sparingly, and only really late in games.
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I like new threads. The one-size-fits-all threads with thousands of replies give me tired head.
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I will be watching to see if Dirk's "early and often" approach changes when Howard is back full-time. If they go back to giving the ball to JHo for the first half of games and Dirk for the second, I'll be disappointed.
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I also concur. The forum is very easy to use but also feels more like a blog sometimes.
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Me thinks the Mavs are best when the Dirkster is shooting early and often
Early? No. Often? Yes.

Dirk can't be the primary scoring option for 4 quarters for an entire season. He does need to be more involved starting somewhere in the third quarter though
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well - he might get better looks when Howard comes back, so that might counteract the effect of having a couple of fewer shots. Historically, he gets better as the season progresses, so that's another countervailing consideration.

As an aside: the guy just shot 34 times last game. Before Carlisle got here, that was unheard of for Dirk.
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I think that if Dirk scores at least another 1566 points by the end of the season, he'll finish the season with 27 points per game.
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I'm staying out of the thread discussion. I'd just like to say that tags are one of the greatest things that ever happened to this board.
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Which implies that you are not staying out of the discussion...
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... Excellent point. There is no issue on this forum with too many threads.. not even close. Actually, I'd say the issue is quite the opposite. Often, too many different discussions get lumped into one large thread. It ends up becoming difficult to carry on a conversation/debate about a specific topic because there are so many other issues being discussed in the thread.

This forum does not remotely have an issue with too many threads.. especially those that are "undeserving". If anything, this forum needs more threads and/or topics for discussion... not less.
How true this is, especially for people who cannot be on the board (or chose not to be on the board) 24 hours a day. Sometimes you (I) do not want to post because you do not have time to (or desire) to read through a hundred post just to make sure your thought has not already been posted. Most boards have a lot more threads than this one and the good ones seem to have a way to stay in the fore front. So I say thread away.

I think the problem here is we do not have a large enough base to really make it exciting. True, we have the best and most knowledgeable fans but as one poster stated to me in an email, it seems unless you are one of the posters with 10,000 post, you will always be an outsider.

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Sure I am. I just found the tags funny.
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I don't think Dirk gives a damn about his averages at this point of his career. But we do..and I want him to be in the top 5 to finish the season..and it would be doubly awesome if he won the MVP..and triple awesome if he won the Finals MVP. Go Dirk!
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How true this is, especially for people who cannot be on the board (or chose not to be on the board) 24 hours a day. Sometimes you (I) do not want to post because you do not have time to (or desire) to read through a hundred post just to make sure your thought has not already been posted. Most boards have a lot more threads than this one and the good ones seem to have a way to stay in the fore front. So I say thread away.

I think the problem here is we do not have a large enough base to really make it exciting. True, we have the best and most knowledgeable fans but as one poster stated to me in an email, it seems unless you are one of the posters with 10,000 post, you will always be an outsider.
i am a new poster to this forum and love it. haven't felt alienated by the regulars. I used to read the ESPN message boards which are basically unmoderated. After discovering this forum, there is no going back. The quality of discussion is just supreme and I rely on the game threads here if i can't catch it on TV. I don't want to sift through loads of trash to get a few nuggets of information! I get what I want real quick here.

One request I have - There are a lot of wonderful writers in this forum. It would be nice if some of the better writers come up with essays/articles/analysis on the mavs that can be posted here. That way I don't have to go read the watered down articles on Yahoo Sports or NBA.com that either bash the team or provide back-handed compliments when the Mavs do well.
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Shouldnt we just have a single thread for whining about threads? It might allow people to discuss whats in the thread, within its thread.
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Shouldnt we just have a single thread for whining about threads? It might allow people to discuss whats in the thread, within its thread.
But that would be a long thread. And no one wants to click on "last page" of a very long thread. That is too hard.
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How true this is, especially for people who cannot be on the board (or chose not to be on the board) 24 hours a day. Sometimes you (I) do not want to post because you do not have time to (or desire) to read through a hundred post just to make sure your thought has not already been posted. Most boards have a lot more threads than this one and the good ones seem to have a way to stay in the fore front. So I say thread away.

I think the problem here is we do not have a large enough base to really make it exciting. True, we have the best and most knowledgeable fans but as one poster stated to me in an email, it seems unless you are one of the posters with 10,000 post, you will always be an outsider.
It is a little disappointing that the forum isn't as "exciting" as it used to be. I believe the base is still there, but the base is just different. There really aren't any great debates on the forum anymore.. at least, not in the Mavs section. And yeah, alot of the blame goes on the members that have been here for years. Many of us obviously don't contribute enough and at the same level that we used to. Personally, I just haven't had the time or the energy to do so the past few years. The Miami series took alot out of me.

But as for you being an outsider.. I don't really look at it that way. I generally like those that bring solid contributions to the forum regardless of their post count. Post count doesn't really mean a whole lot. I guess the only thing that it means is that you've posted a bit for a long time. There's been alot of people that have racked up the post counts.. but a high percentage of their posts had absolutely nothing to do with the Mavs.
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But that would be a long thread. And no one wants to click on "last page" of a very long thread. That is too hard.
Obviously, there's nothing wrong with a long thread. However, it's easier to carry on a discussion or debate with someone if there's not 10 other discussions going on in the thread at the same time.
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So guys, can Dirk really stay at 27 ppg? Is there any conceivable way to expand on this topic? Does it even matter? Or is it such a dead end that we have to hijack the thread and talk about the general concept of "thread-worthy"?

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Sure he can stay at 27. Actually (IMO) Dirk could average 30 pretty easily. But he is unselfish by nature that he won't average 30+. There are way too many nights in which he passes up some good looks to get Damp a shot, or Terry a shot, etc. And the Mavs will either get blown out or blow out some people and it will skew the numbers.
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If you don't think it's thread worthy, shut up and move on. Flaco, Hitman's been here alot longer than you and his contribued quite a bit to this forum. I think he's shown that he's more than capable of deciding whether or not something is thread worthy.

The site doesn't need some friggin newbie harrassing someone that's been a solid contributor to this forum for nearly a decade.
Bravo to this, and also what you said later on. As well as Rhylan and KG. The board structure has become much worse since the heavy patroling of the board nazis began.

If someone thinks a thread is not noteworthy just leave it alone.

Personaly I hate all those everything xy related goes here threads. It makes it really hard to find the new stuff if you donĀ“t visit every day. There are some exeptions though. Like the general NBA thread, the gameday threads or some threads in the lounge.

As for the original question: I think he can do it. He seems really willing to take over games this season.

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Gee, I must be missing out on all this "board moderation". What heavy patrolling are you speaking of? When I signed up six years ago, established posters would try to curtail too many new threads. DJ even created a posting restriction for new members. This is nothing new.

For the MOST part, the big threads get big because lots of people post in them....not because a bunch of threads are being merged, or because people are being forced to post in them.

I think its much more likely that some of our older posters don't really post a ton of content anymore - unless its to bitch about the lack of threads that they aren't creating in the first place. (I don't meant that in a bad way, I could start a long list of posters I really miss!).

And I'm all for new threads, but if this one weren't so marginal to begin with, it would've stayed on topic.

Edited to add: I love everyone and I don't think Dirk will average 27+ a game.
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Gee, I must be missing out on all this "board moderation". What heavy patrolling are you speaking of? When I signed up six years ago, established posters would try to curtail too many new threads. DJ even created a posting restriction for new members. This is nothing new.

For the MOST part, the big threads get big because lots of people post in them....not because a bunch of threads are being merged, or because people are being forced to post in them.

I think its much more likely that some of our older posters don't really post a ton of content anymore - unless its to bitch about the lack of threads that they aren't creating in the first place. (I don't meant that in a bad way, I could start a long list of posters I really miss!).

And I'm all for new threads, but if this one weren't so marginal to begin with, it would've stayed on topic.

Edited to add: I love everyone and I don't think Dirk will average 27+ a game.
No, it's not necessarily about moderators moving threads or anything else. However, when the site is down as far as traffic and content go, things aren't helped when members or moderators try to further stifle the creation of new topics/threads. Some people are reluctant to start new threads because they don't want someone to jump down their throat. With traffic and content down, it's just not a good idea to bully others into not starting new threads. The site needs quality content. Does that mean that there will occasionally be a thread started that isn't worthy? Sure. However, they will die a quick death. This forum doesn't have the same types of issues that it had 4-5 years ago. The issues are quite the opposite.

As for whether or not this thread would have stayed on topic, how the hell would anyone know when the second post in the thread is attacking the merit of the thread?
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As for whether or not this thread would have stayed on topic, how the hell would anyone know when the second post in the thread is attacking the merit of the thread?
Well, there is the option of blowing off those posts, and carrying on the with the discussion.
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As for whether or not this thread would have stayed on topic, how the hell would anyone know when the second post in the thread is attacking the merit of the thread?
I didn't realize asking a question was "derailing a thread." Especially when I even answered Hitman's original question in my post.

I guess we as posters should never ask another poster a question inside a thread. It might derail the thread!
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