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Old 01-24-2010, 09:02 PM   #201
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At one point, we were up 53 points and Najera was still cheering on the bench. LOL
My understanding is that Eddie isn't really available to play. He's still dealing with back issues, trying to get his conditioning right, and the tv crew even said that he tweaked his ankle in practice yesterday.
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Then why dress?
I would assume he's healthy enough to play if desperately needed (meaning the entire front court fouled out or got hurt).
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Not looking good for Kidd if this is how we run our offense without him. I knew it was important to be an offensive threat at the point guard position. I miss Harris but Beaubois is showing some of those same skills. Wish Carlisle would play him more and Kidd less.
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The kid is an avid Jason Kidd hater and Harris nuthugger. He really doesn't understand that there is more to basketball than scoring. Just ignore him
Considering we've had a difficult time scoring, I think it's a legit argument. We need more offensive threats out there and this team doesn't rely heavily on point guard play. Heck even Terry was running a successful team for awhile. We just need a scorer/playmaker at the point guard position on this team. Beaubois can become a big time player. Not just his speed but his shooting today was huge. Barea was also scoring some and this team was getting up and down the court quick. I'm not saying Beaubois and Barea are the solution. Just Kidd isn't.
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Considering we've had a difficult time scoring, I think it's a legit argument. We need more offensive threats out there and this team doesn't rely heavily on point guard play. Heck even Terry was running a successful team for awhile. We just need a scorer/playmaker at the point guard position on this team. Beaubois can become a big time player. Not just his speed but his shooting today was huge. Barea was also scoring some and this team was getting up and down the court quick. I'm not saying Beaubois and Barea are the solution. Just Kidd isn't.
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Considering we've had a difficult time scoring, I think it's a legit argument. We need more offensive threats out there and this team doesn't rely heavily on point guard play. Heck even Terry was running a successful team for awhile. We just need a scorer/playmaker at the point guard position on this team. Beaubois can become a big time player. Not just his speed but his shooting today was huge. Barea was also scoring some and this team was getting up and down the court quick. I'm not saying Beaubois and Barea are the solution. Just Kidd isn't.
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And we're saying you don't know anything about basketball.
No analysis? You just support him no matter how bad the mavs are playing with Kidd and how good they looked today without Kidd running the offense? Athleticism is very important in basketball. Especially as a guard. If you don't have the athleticism, you are hurting the team.

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In all seriousness though, you are going way out on a limb with what you're saying.
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No analysis? You just support him no matter how bad the mavs are playing with Kidd and how good they looked today without Kidd running the offense? Athleticism is very important in basketball. Especially as a guard. If you don't have the athleticism, you are hurting the team.
I fail to see where the point guard had much to do with the team shooting 58.1% fgs, 54.5% 3pters and 94.1% fts.

I don't think atheleticism had much to do with those 3pt percentages.
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Considering we've had a difficult time scoring, I think it's a legit argument. We need more offensive threats out there and this team doesn't rely heavily on point guard play. Heck even Terry was running a successful team for awhile. We just need a scorer/playmaker at the point guard position on this team. Beaubois can become a big time player. Not just his speed but his shooting today was huge. Barea was also scoring some and this team was getting up and down the court quick. I'm not saying Beaubois and Barea are the solution. Just Kidd isn't.
You remember how that back court of Terry and Devin got exposed in the playoffs by Baron Davis?....the same thing would happen if Barea and Terry or Barea and Roddy are in the starting line up, take Kidd off the this team and the Mavs have no leader plus I dout Marion would even want to play on the Mavs since Kidd was the main reason he's here, after one blowout win vs. the KNICKS some people want Kidd gone....I for one want Kidd on this team.
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You remember how that back court of Terry and Devin got exposed in the playoffs by Baron Davis?....the same thing would happen if Barea and Terry or Barea and Roddy are in the starting line up, take Kidd off the this team and the Mavs have no leader plus I dout Marion would even want to play on the Mavs since Kidd was the main reason he's here, after one blowout win vs. the KNICKS some people want Kidd gone....I for one want Kidd on this team.
Baron Davis was a beast that year. And Dirk got exposed in that series as well by smaller players. Just a horrible matchup. Kidd got exposed by Chris Paul. I just don't like the offensive plays in the halfcourt when Kidd is running the point. It's like he tries to control the game too much and Dallas's offense gets predictable. Thus the efficiency of shooting is down for almost every player. Dampier being the exception as Kidd is good at finding him. I prefer a more chaotic offense that leads to more open shots. Thus a need for a point guard that drives and kicks/scores. Though I gotta admit Beaubois and Barea were playing out of their mind but that is the type of point guard that we need.
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Really? You're going to go with the "Kidd is a control freak" argument?
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Really? You're going to go with the "Kidd is a control freak" argument?
I really think he is best suited as a really good passing shooting guard at this point of his career. We need a guard that can drive though as openings aren't going to happen with Kidd hanging around the 3 point line and just passing the ball. Dirk getting the ball more but not always in a good spot without more chaos. I think that is our missing piece. Not easy to find though. Dirk admits they are struggling with offense and that hurts their defense.
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Is that a sentence?
I tried to combine 2 thoughts in one. Dirk needs that chaos. Chaos equals defenses not knowing where to be. Golden State Warriors a few years back created chaos with their athleticism. Thus more opportunities for easier shots. Dirk getting the ball more but not always in a good position to score. He is a great player and can still make those kinds of shots but not the greatest thing for his efficiency.
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Kidd is one of 5 players in the entire league to be averaging over 9 assists a game. Yeah, he's not what we need.
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Agreed. He's clearly killing the team's offense by continually getting guys the ball in places where they can't be expected to score.
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Kidd is one of 5 players in the entire league to be averaging over 9 assists a game. Yeah, he's not what we need.
Assists count doesn't guarantee efficient scoring. It just means he is unselfish. While that is a good attitude to have, it doesn't necessarily mean players are getting great looks. I think Beaubois could be that player that can play the way I envision for this team to succeed more. He will make mistakes but his energy level is a big intangible as well as if he can keep hitting those 3's. Beaubois did a great job defensively as well. I'm not against Kidd in the backcourt but he shouldn't be the one solely running the offense and his energy level might be better if his minutes were cut down like dude1394 said.

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Assists count doesn't guarantee efficient scoring. .
Assist count guarantees that Kidd is putting the ball in the right spot. But hey, maybe some fans don't like that.
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Yes, because everyone knows that the best way to get your assist totals up is to have your teammates miss shots while you somehow manage to behave in a way that is both controlling yet at the same time benignly unselfish.
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I stopped reading after this because clearly you are operating on the erroneous assumption that the point guard must be a scorer.
You obviously didn't get the point I was making. A point guard has to be a playmaker and be able to drive on this team. We just need better energy on this team and it starts at the guard positions. Seriously you can't see that we need some more energy on this team? And Barea is too unreliable as well as he is just too selfish sometimes as well as he doesn't play defense.

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This mockery of a debate will continue through the next game when Kidd returns and the Mavs fail to win by 50.

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Old 01-25-2010, 02:44 AM   #229
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You obviously didn't get the point I was making. A point guard has to be a playmaker and be able to drive on this team. We just need better energy on this team and it starts at the guard positions. Seriously you can't see that we need some more energy on this team? And Barea is too unreliable as well as he is just too selfish sometimes as well as he doesn't play defense.
Actually, I did somewhat misread your point the first time (which is why I edited my post), but your actual point is just as incomprehensible and misguided.
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Anyways I'm tired of this debate. When a team is struggling on offense for the last 2 years, something has to be changed. We did get Marion but our 10-8 in the last 18 games shows it's not enough. I think we have enough evidence that this team needs something different.
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Anyways I'm tired of this debate.
Where was the debate? I must have missed it..
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No analysis? You just support him no matter how bad the mavs are playing with Kidd and how good they looked today without Kidd running the offense? Athleticism is very important in basketball. Especially as a guard. If you don't have the athleticism, you are hurting the team.
And you want to tell us that Barea is athletic?
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Anyways I'm tired of this debate. When a team is struggling on offense for the last 2 years, something has to be changed. We did get Marion but our 10-8 in the last 18 games shows it's not enough. I think we have enough evidence that this team needs something different.
This team did not struggle offensively last year. Not even a little bit. They were one of the premier offensive teams in terms of efficiency last year.
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