UNofficial: Jason Kidd to the Mavericks for Harris.. - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Windmill360 · 02-13-2008, 03:15 PM

Kidd better play out of his mind....... and then take it further.

ShaggyDirk · 02-13-2008, 03:18 PM

Malik Allen

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 03:18 PM

Has anyone else noticed that this trade doesn't work salary wise??

Diop, George, Ager, Harris and Stackhouse does not match up with Kidd and Allen. Even if you throw Wright into the trade it still doesn't work.

What the hell is going on??

EDIT: Nevermind, this trade does work salary wise.

EricaLubarsky · 02-13-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Has anyone else noticed that this trade doesn't work salary wise??

Diop, George, Ager, Harris and Stackhouse does not match up with Kidd and Allen. Even if you throw Wright into the trade it still doesn't work.

What the hell is going on??

Successful Trade Scenario
Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to Dallas and New Jersey being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Dallas and New Jersey had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Diop
George
Harris
Stackhouse
Ager

for

Kidd
Allen

it works...

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Has anyone else noticed that this trade doesn't work salary wise??

Diop, George, Ager, Harris and Stackhouse does not match up with Kidd and Allen. Even if you throw Wright into the trade it still doesn't work.

What the hell is going on??

EDIT: Nevermind, this trade does work salary wise.

It only has to be within like 25%, I think.

Silk Smoov · 02-13-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Has anyone else noticed that this trade doesn't work salary wise??

Diop, George, Ager, Harris and Stackhouse does not match up with Kidd and Allen. Even if you throw Wright into the trade it still doesn't work.

What the hell is going on??

EDIT: Nevermind, this trade does work salary wise.

I thought the trade included $300,000 cash as well.

aexchange · 02-13-2008, 03:19 PM

my initial reaction is that this trade is awful. nash/parker/williams/paul are going to eat our lunch. its a knee jerk reaction and a ridiculous trade.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

my initial reaction is that this trade is awful. nash/parker/williams/paul are going to eat our lunch. its a knee jerk reaction and a ridiculous trade.

Could be. But then again, we can actually run a real offense now.

Bookit · 02-13-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

my initial reaction is that this trade is awful. nash/parker/williams/paul are going to eat our lunch. its a knee jerk reaction and a ridiculous trade.

Devin played very good against Paul and Parker. I agree, this frees those guys up to have huge games against the Mavs.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:21 PM

did alby every announce why he left?

The more I think about it, the more I don't hate this. Okay so we lost Devin for Kidd. We couldn't have played them both anyway. We also lost 2 backup players. Diop hurts a lot more than George. Losing Ager is a plus. Losing the picks sucks too but we're thinking about now.

Kidd only cost one starter which is good... We still have Howard and Dirk. And they are going to be sooooo much better because of Kidd.

Just imagine Kidd feeding an open Dirk for 3. Man, this could be fun.

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

did alby every announce why he left?

The more I think about it, the more I don't hate this. Okay so we lost Devin for Kidd. We couldn't have played them both anyway. We also lost 2 backup players. Diop hurts a lot more than George. Losing Ager is a plus. Losing the picks sucks too but we're thinking about now.

Kidd only cost one starter which is good... We still have Howard and Dirk. And they are going to be sooooo much better because of Kidd.

Just imagine Kidd feeding an open Dirk for 3. Man, this could be fun.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the floor...

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Kidd only cost one starter which is good...

Well, George was a should be starter in the lineup, and Stack was a sometime starter, and Diop should have been splitting the starter minutes with Damp, rather than those minutes going to small ball.

This is what, the 2nd third of our team going away for an upgrade in the top third?

wmbwinn · 02-13-2008, 04:38 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

another link. If this guy is reporting it also, it is old news by now.

We are very shallow at center now. Now, Bass is our only backup to Dampier. I don't consider Juwan.

We are very weak defensively in the post now.

But, we may be able to remedy this. It stinks to lose Mbenga and Diop for Juwan and Bass.

I like Bass. I like Bass a lot actually. But, he is not a center.

I love what this will do for the stagnant offense of Dallas. I hate what this will do for our defense.

However, Avery wasn't playing Diop anyway. But, now who will guard Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudemire, Pau Gasol, etc.?

We have to replace Diop.

And, we have 3 years or so to replace Devin Harris before Kidd retires.

We broke the logjam at the SG position. That may not be bad.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:23 PM

I want to hear chumdawg's reaction to this.

and murphy's just cause stack is involved.

Windmill360 · 02-13-2008, 03:25 PM

Everything that happens, happens necessarily.

we just sold our soul like Miami. Gross. it feels so dirty and icky.

EricaLubarsky · 02-13-2008, 03:26 PM

Looking at the pictures on realgm it just makes me sad

Just makes me realize how much I loved those two guys. I'd love to have seen Harris go out playing rather than injured but no point in crying.

then there is Devean "play me even though Im old and fat" George... cant say I will miss him much.

viggenja37 · 02-13-2008, 03:26 PM

Hopefully this rumor is false, otherwise the Mavs will struggle to make the playoffs.
Jason shoots 36%, Devin shoots 49%. Who is going to even try to guard Kidd?
Which point guard in the West can Jason stop? Name just one!

purplefrog · 02-13-2008, 03:30 PM

I think that Kidd's leadership ability was an important part of this decision. If, for example, Avery was losing some of the team a new voice will help get them motivated again.

EricaLubarsky · 02-13-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I think that Kidd's leadership ability was an important part of this decision. If, for example, Avery was losing some of the team a new voice will help get them motivated again.

Avery also doesn't know how to teach a PG to lead and run a team. At least Avery will trust Kidd.

Usually Lurkin · 02-13-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Avery also doesn't know how to teach a PG to lead and run a team. At least Avery will trust Kidd.

he did ok with JJB. One of the most interesting angles for me is getting to watch Harris in a different context.

EricaLubarsky · 02-13-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

he did ok with JJB. One of the most interesting angles for me is getting to watch Harris in a different context.

Did he teach JJB? The guy was as polished as he is now when he got here. The guy was playing international ball since he was like 16.

Anyway, I think the interesting thing is that many of the same people that were agreeing that this team deserved a fork, are crying now. If anything the optimists who thought we had a chance with Harris should be the only ones really crying.

I cant tell you how sad I am to see Diop and Harris gone-- this team was so ma and pa for a while, but there isn't any point in crying. Besides the negativity and pessimism about this teams chances was starting to develop inside me no matter how much I tried to stay optimistic. Maybe we needed a move and maybe this move will help us.

All I know is that we lost all chemistry there for a while and players weren't even trying. We kept Dirk and Howard. We still have sharpshooters in Terry and Dirk. We still have Howard to slash. We still have Damp who can really play inside with a good pass in to him. We still have Bass who is a power player like Kenyon Martin.

endrity · 02-13-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I think that Kidd's leadership ability was an important part of this decision. If, for example, Avery was losing some of the team a new voice will help get them motivated again.

F leadership. That's media BS. I care about Xs and Os and how we make adjustments. With Avery nothing is safe.

muzak · 02-13-2008, 03:26 PM

we will have the "new" 3 J's.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:27 PM

I'm just glad that NJ is in the east because I wouldn't be able to watch Devin play on a different team vs us 4 times a year.

edit: and we officially have a big 3 again

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I'm just glad that NJ is in the east because I wouldn't be able to watch Devin play on a different team vs us 4 times a year.

edit: and we officially have a big 3 again

This is true. That'd be really hard. I don't even like looking at that picture of him.

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 03:28 PM

Get ready to see a side of Howard we've never seen before. Kidd brings out better than the best in his swingmen.

It's sad to see those guys go but I am extremely excited about our chances now.

ShaggyDirk · 02-13-2008, 03:30 PM

boo hoo hoo. good lord.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:32 PM

We're gonna make a strong post-all-star break push. Hopefully we peak at the right time and hopefully Kidd plays out of his mind. He really wanted to come here so I hope he's motivated.

LSMF · 02-13-2008, 03:33 PM

Well I hope everyone is happy, you wanted kidd now you have him, get ready to suck

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

Well I hope everyone is happy, you wanted kidd now you have him, get ready to suck

man, what's the point of being so negative. let's at least see how it works for a couple games until we throw in the towel.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:33 PM

i'm getting more and more excited about this. Remember how highly all the USA players talked about kidd. They LOVED having him on the team, especially kobe and lebron. If he's good enough for LeBron and Kobe, he's good enough for me.

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 03:35 PM

Damn I'm excited. Can't wait to see if we can make a move for Miller or another SG. Bringing Miller in sounds really good now.

C'mon Cubes. You've already gone this far, you might as well use KVH to get Miller and give us the best chance possible to go all the way!

Dirkadirkastan · 02-13-2008, 03:37 PM

Don't worry guys, we'll get Devin back, just like we did with Kidd?

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Don't worry guys, we'll get Devin back, just like we did with Kidd?

Dirk's jersey will be hanging in the rafters by then...

minkbarn · 02-13-2008, 03:37 PM

Wait there might be more. There's a rumor that there will be a second deal: Antoine Wright going to Dallas, NJ receiving a 2nd round pick. If true, this is being done separately because it allows Dallas to use a trade exception that can't be combined in the bigger deal.

fluid.forty.one · 02-13-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Wait there might be more. There's a rumor that there will be a second deal: Antoine Wright going to Dallas, NJ receiving a 2nd round pick. If true, this is being done separately because it allows Dallas to use a trade exception that can't be combined in the bigger deal.

hopefully this might quiet some of the nay-sayers

Flacolaco · 02-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Antoine Wright:

7 ppg in 25 minutes per game?

My pants are on fire!!!

Dirkenstien · 02-13-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Antoine Wright:

7 ppg in 25 minutes per game?

My pants are on fire!!!

You can't expect a youngin like Wright to average very many points when he's playing with Carter, Jefferson and Kidd.

Flacolaco · 02-13-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by minkbarn

Wait there might be more. There's a rumor that there will be a second deal: Antoine Wright going to Dallas, NJ receiving a 2nd round pick. If true, this is being done separately because it allows Dallas to use a trade exception that can't be combined in the bigger deal.

Who?

The Crippler · 02-13-2008, 03:37 PM

gross.