PGT: Mavs Crap the Bed, Again

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Jeff, therein lies the problem. He can't be trusted to just shoot. Last night perfect example:

Dirk feed in the corner. Mayo had a wide open shot from mid range or a little beyond. He turns it down.... decides to drive. Instead of shooting a layup he tries to throw it through 3 defenders back to Dirk. Turnover.

And a play or two like that happens in just about every close game from Mayo.

you are right.i know...but i hope he improves his choices with dirk and Rick.it's the first year with the mavs.

I also think that with a good PG will further improve ...

[j0Shi]

NBA just tweeted that the charge with 1.5 secs left should have been called a blocking foul.

[Bayliss]

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

In my eyes @NBAOfficial is a crappy propaganda machine. They 'review' every 1000th missed call and pretend they care. But they don't.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

And does that change the outcome of the game? If not, then why would the NBA even say something? Sorry we f*cked up. But hey that L is still an L.

If they really want to make it up. Give the Mavs a rigged lottery.

This is the kind of shit that the NBA does that drives me crazy.

[markus1234]

And LMA 3pt shot was a travel violation...

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/pa...sharepermalink

stupid refs.

[vinylstar]

Originally Posted by markus1234

And LMA 3pt shot was a travel violation...

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/pa...sharepermalink

stupid refs.

That's not a travel? If he had caught ball on the move, took 2 steps, and did a lay up it would look less suspect, but that's what he did...except he shot. Good no call.

The charge was a little more suspect, but I blame OJ for that...he went up tentative and thus slowed before his jump making it possible to make that close.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by vinylstar

That's not a travel? If he had caught ball on the move, took 2 steps, and did a lay up it would look less suspect, but that's what he did...except he shot. Good no call.

The charge was a little more suspect, but I blame OJ for that...he went up tentative and thus slowed before his jump making it possible to make that close.

You cant catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then take two steps. It was a travel just like kg traveled before his big jumper against the heat. That's about as blatant as a travel gets

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

You cant catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then take two steps. It was a travel just like kg traveled before his big jumper against the heat. That's about as blatant as a travel gets

I'm not sure sure he had both feet on the ground when he was finally in possession of the ball. Either way, unlikely to get that call against you creaming crowd, at home..

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

creaming crowd, at home..

that would certainly distract a ref

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm not sure sure he had both feet on the ground when he was finally in possession of the ball. Either way, unlikely to get that call against you creaming crowd, at home..

Oh you aren't getting that call but that's just because with the possible exception of politicians, nba officials are worse at their jobs then any other group in the world

[NorwegianMavsFan]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm not sure sure he had both feet on the ground when he was finally in possession of the ball. Either way, unlikely to get that call against you creaming crowd, at home..

There is absolutely no question that that was a travel. It happens all the time in the NBA though, and they almost never call it. Attempt that move in Europe and you'll get called for it every time. Refs in the NBA are sloppy when i comes to those calls.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

You cant catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then take two steps. It was a travel just like kg traveled before his big jumper against the heat. That's about as blatant as a travel gets

Actually, I thought that's exactly what you are allowed to do. The rules just say that you can take two steps in coming to a stop (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/23/t....ap/index.html).

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Actually, I thought that's exactly what you are allowed to do. The rules just say that you can take two steps in coming to a stop (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/23/t....ap/index.html).

That's not clear enough to me at all.

If I catch the ball with one foot on the ground, I get two steps after the catch? So the second foot comes down as one step and the first foot re-positions after that. Am I allowed to pivot on my first foot? That could be construed as three steps. Or rather, the third step could be construed as a pivot.

If I catch the ball with both feet on the ground, do I still get two steps after the catch? If I slow down too much then two steps is an obvious case of switching pivot feet. So how slow is too slow? And again, may I pivot on either foot after the two steps?

And what if I catch the ball in the air? Still two steps? So basically it's the first scenario except the initial landing foot counts against the two steps.

If I have it right on the last two points, then catching on the ground allows a re-positioning of each foot, and catching in the air allows neither after the initial land.

I figure that something is wrong here, because it seems players would have the most freedom if they caught the ball with both feet on the ground. But when I watch them actually play, players in rhythm seem to make a concerted effort to gather the ball with only one foot on the ground before taking two steps, so I have to conclude that's the scenario with the greatest advantage somehow.

All of the above assumes there is no difference in the rule whether the player is catching a pass or gathering his dribble, but who knows.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Actually, I thought that's exactly what you are allowed to do. The rules just say that you can take two steps in coming to a stop (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/23/t....ap/index.html).

Only if you are running when you catch it which he wasn't. That's where the comig to a stop thing comes into play. Aldridge was coming from a stop. Not the same thing.

If he caught it and held it for ten seconds and did it would it be a travel? Obviously. There's no difference between that and catching it standing still and immediately moving. That said, Jason Kidd made a career out of that little step and did a lot of it playing for us so I don't mind that nearly as much as the charge.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by markus1234

And LMA 3pt shot was a travel violation...

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/pa...sharepermalink

stupid refs.

Questionable, and you're not getting that called against you at home with a crazy crowd. That's preobably why the ref called a charge too for Wesley instead of the obvious charge. Right in front of their bench.

[saclare]

For what it's worth at this point...

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/or...nba/index.html

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by saclare

For what it's worth at this point...

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/or...nba/index.html

Good for the NBA. What I have wanted to see is the nba do just this. Admit screwups openly. Hopefully the NBA will start reviewing these type of calls in the last minute or two.

I know they are going to screw up, I've just wanted them to admit and be accountable.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I know they are going to screw up, I've just wanted them to admit and be accountable.

Agreed - but they need to do a lot more on the accountability front.

[markus1234]

Cuban should play this vid during half time and timeouts. Till the end of the season.

[fluid.forty.one]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...ot-called-foul

NBA admits that the mayo call was botched.

[sike]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...ot-called-foul

NBA admits that the mayo call was botched.

ugh. And this is supposed to make us feel.......?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...ot-called-foul

NBA admits that the mayo call was botched.

So we are 20-25 now, right?

[dude1394]

Pretty cool site. Blown calls, flopping fines/warnings. Funny stuff

http://www.nba.com/official/

[markus1234]

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by markus1234

?

[markus1234]

The Ref had definitely a clear view. That's all.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by markus1234

The Ref had definitely a clear view. That's all.

No doubt. But I'm not sure it was actually a travel.

[SMC0007]

Is it clearly a travelling violation when it never ever gets called?

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Is it clearly a travelling violation when it never ever gets called?

Yes, just like people that catch the ball at the top switching their pivot feet is a travel even though it's never called