Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[rimrocker]

I highly doubt Cuban tanked for a rebuilding piece. I think we all know in the back of our minds we arent adding a rookie to this roster with the #10 pick.

He obviously had to sell Luka and Kyrie on the tank strategy and none of us on this board are naive enough to think he sold them on a rookie.

I hope like hell we keep the pick but at ome point reality overcomes fantasy.

[EricaLubarsky]

Here's something I've been chewing on: apparently we are the only one in the running for Kyrie which is good. The only teams that want him have to SnT for him and we've rejected that. It appears that for once we are in a position of power. Do we:

1) Just give him the max to secure him and avoid a Nash situation and keep him
2) Only offer him a max if we can SnT him
3) Offer him less or the max with lots of stipulations on behavior/games played etc.

Do we even play ball in this circumstance?

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Here's something I've been chewing on: apparently we are the only one in the running for Kyrie which is good. The only teams that want him have to SnT for him and we've rejected that. It appears that for once we are in a position of power. Do we:

1) Just give him the max to secure him and avoid a Nash situation and keep him
2) Only offer him a max if we can SnT him
3) Offer him less or the max with lots of stipulations on behavior/games played etc.

Do we even play ball in this circumstance?

They have no power when it comes to Kyrie. They will damn near give him a blank check and what he wants he will get with no stipulations.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Remember we're dealing with Cuban here. If every industry insider thinks we are going to trade the 10th pick, then you can leave it to Cuban to do the exact opposite of that.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Woj speculated we trade but Stein said we might keep it. So nobody really knows until tomorrow.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Woj speculated we trade but Stein said we might keep it. So nobody really knows until tomorrow.

Well there's a 50% chance we keep it. On the other hand there's about 50% chance we trade it. I'm no math magician but it appears like a toss up atm.

[EricaLubarsky]

Honestly it would be stupid if we already decided unless there is a move we have lined up that is a total no-brainer.

You never know who will be available at 10 and you never know what will open up via other trades.

[Melonhead]

Lively says he loves Dallas and would look forward to setting pnr for Luka and Kyrie?

Mavs: ok but what about another undersized guard

Stein: ?Dallas has interest in Lively, but continues to weigh its options in trading back, looking for the right opportunity to upgrade the roster while also preferring to stay in the draft and potentially grab a player they like further down, like Cason Wallace.?

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Stein: ?Dallas has interest in Lively, but continues to weigh its options in trading back, looking for the right opportunity to upgrade the roster while also preferring to stay in the draft and potentially grab a player they like further down, like Cason Wallace.?

This has to be a smokescreen.

[Simon2]

Now, the talk is for D Lively? 6 pts and 6 rbs a game. Yikes. Mavs had Porzingis, Wood and McGee. Yes, none are superstars but one of those should have worked out as a center already. The bottom line is Mavs need a center that can shoot the three so it opens the land for Luka or Irving. Realistically, the Mavs don?t know how to use big men. Its too guard oriented. Seems pretty hopeless as long as Kidd is on board. He just isn?t a good coach. I don?t even think he is that smart. Not very hopeful as the Mavs are too proud to admit mistakes. Kidd is staying and a lot of fans are going to be disenchanted.

[sig]

Originally Posted by Simon2

Now, the talk is for D Lively? 6 pts and 6 rbs a game. Yikes. Mavs had Porzingis, Wood and McGee. Yes, none are superstars but one of those should have worked out as a center already. The bottom line is Mavs need a center that can shoot the three so it opens the land for Luka or Irving. Realistically, the Mavs don?t know how to use big men. Its too guard oriented. Seems pretty hopeless as long as Kidd is on board. He just isn?t a good coach. I don?t even think he is that smart. Not very hopeful as the Mavs are too proud to admit mistakes. Kidd is staying and a lot of fans are going to be disenchanted.

Well maybe not the part on Kidd offensive X's and O's but I think the Mavs need to get away from stand on line 3 point shooters and watchng Luka and KI. Mavs need more athletic defenders and to play faster off of defensive rebounds as much as they can. In half court there should be more motion and ball movement. Slashers and Rim runners.

If Lively lives up to his potential then he is exactly what the Mavs need which is why you hear they want Capela not Collins. Of course the contract is a factor. A defender who Rim Runs in PnR's. I was against Lively at 10 but no more. Maybe I am buying into some smoke factor. Guys like Lively and Hendrix scare me with high Bust potential but the high Boom factor makes picking them OK, IMO.

[sig]

the Champion Nuggets swoop in and get Pacer's 1st round pick for OKC FRP in 24 that was recently acquired plus they moved up 8 spots in 2nd round with a pick swap this year.

Nuggets believe with the 3 picks between 29 and 37 they can fill roles as they are likely to lose players like Brown plus are high on Watson and already have C. Braun. Lot's experienced college players in that range.

Pacers still probably like to defer the other 1st round pick at least.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Saw a Kyle Kuzma rumor. Now that is a player I'd trade the 10th pick for. Expand it to get Gafford, and you're finally onto something.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Clippers gave Washington the 30th pick to get Brogdon. That should be a hint as to what value picks are these days.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Clippers gave Washington the 30th pick to get Brogdon. That should be a hint as to what value picks are these days.

The Celtics gave a late first rounder to acquire him. So the value remains the same?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by MFFL

The Celtics gave a late first rounder to acquire him. So the value remains the same?

Right and Brogdon is a really good player, so if he is worth 30, then you don't settle for anything short of a star for 10.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Clippers gave Washington the 30th pick to get Brogdon. That should be a hint as to what value picks are these days.

Tim Connelly of the Wolves right now

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Tim Connelly of the Wolves right now

LOL!

[sig]

So if KP lands in Boston might they trade Robert Williams?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

nbadraft.net has gone off the rails. Cam Whitmore at 10? Leonard Miller at 36?

I know there is some news about Whitmore's health, but he isn't falling to 10.

And I sure as hell can't see Miller falling to 36 unless he is getting the Hardy treatment.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

nbadraft.net has gone off the rails. Cam Whitmore at 10? Leonard Miller at 36?

I know there is some news about Whitmore's health, but he isn't falling to 10.

I would hunt down and DESTROY Cuban if we got Whitmore at 10 and then traded him for some mediocre veteran

[Dallas41]

If Dallas let's LA pull this off over them I'm going to be passed because Turner is exactly what this team needs at the 5

The Los Angeles Lakers are targeting Buddy Hield and Myles Turner in a trade including the 17th pick.

(via The Athletic)

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

If Dallas let's LA pull this off over them I'm going to be passed because Turner is exactly what this team needs at the 5

The Los Angeles Lakers are targeting Buddy Hield and Myles Turner in a trade including the 17th pick.

(via The Athletic)

But at least we know what the 10th pick is worth. And that's a lot more than people realize.

I'd likely do Turner/Hield for it. But Cuban is weird as hell with contracts these days, so who knows?

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But at least we know what the 10th pick is worth. And that's a lot more than people realize.

I'd likely do Turner/Hield for it. But Cuban is weird as hell with contracts these days, so who knows?

Yep

Cuban is going to show everyone he's the smartest guy in the room

20% of me wants to believe the mavs are going to come out of this offseason with 2 solid starting pieces.

The other 80% of me thinks Dwight Powell will take a home town discount and start again at center and THJ will remain the 3rd option on this team and Cuban will try to sale to us that the team did try to make a major trade.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yep

Cuban is going to show everyone he's the smartest guy in the room

20% of me wants to believe the mavs are going to come out of this offseason with 2 solid starting pieces.

The other 80% of me thinks Dwight Powell will take a home town discount and start again at center and THJ will remain the 3rd option on this team and Cuban will try to sale to us that the team did try to make a major trade.

The Grant Williams stuff has me a bit worried because it reeks of a DFS replacement. Like, my god, let's do something different instead of constantly trying to replicate past players.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The Grant Williams stuff has me a bit worried because it reeks of a DFS replacement. Like, my god, let's do something different instead of constantly trying to replicate past players.

I like Grant Williams enough as a player. Not thrilled to pay him 15-16 million a year or whatever he?s about to get from us. He?s a MLE player if ever there was one.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The Grant Williams stuff has me a bit worried because it reeks of a DFS replacement. Like, my god, let's do something different instead of constantly trying to replicate past players.

I'm a huge fan of Hendricks as mentioned several times on here.

I really have no problems with them keeping the pick if they can get him.

I live in Phoenix and I know a lot of people are down on DeAndre Ayton. But I think a change if scenery would light a fire in the dude.

If the mavs could somehow acquire Ayton without giving up this year's pick I'd call that a steal. I doubt Phoenix moves him without a Pick being involved but if by chance the mavs could come out of this offseason with Ayton and Hendricks to play with Green, Luka and kyrie I'd call that a tremendous upgrade in talent.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Well Cuban said our biggest need is a rim protector. So the current realistic options are Lively, Hendricks if he falls, Turner, and Ayton. I would guess one of them will be a Maverick by the end of the night.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well Cuban said our biggest need is a rim protector. So the current realistic options are Lively, Hendricks if he falls, Turner, and Ayton. I would guess one of them will be a Maverick by the end of the night.

Cuban also said "People forget about Frank" and I'll stop right there at the beginning of the long list of errors and contradictions.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Cuban also said "People forget about Frank" and I'll stop right there at the beginning of the long list of errors and contradictions.

You don't have to convince me of the Cuban ineptitude, but we'll leave that more for the inevitably terrible free agency.

Gotta have hope that we do at least something relevant tonight.

[BPo001]

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Los Angeles Lakers are acquiring the 40th pick from the Indiana Pacers for No. 47 and cash, sources tell ESPN. ? via Twitter wojespn

[BPo001]

Callie Caplan: Mark Cuban on @971TheFreak on Kyrie Irving?s free agency: ?We want to sign him, and hopefully he wants to come back. I?m not going to handicap anymore. I learned my lesson last year.? ? via Twitter CallieCaplan

Callie Caplan: Mark Cuban on @971TheFreak on Mavs? approach to NBA draft tonight: ?With Luka and Kai, we want guys we can stick around them for multiple years. It really depends who?s being offered for us, who?s the player available when we pick.? ? via Twitter CallieCaplan

[Amarelooms]

I better see some moves/trades today from this dummy Cuban. Be aggressive!

[BPo001]

Shams Charania: Warriors are sending Jordan Poole, a protected first-round pick in 2030 and a second-rounder in 2027 to the Wizards for Chris Paul, league sources said. 4 mins ago ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

What is GS planning on doing with CP3?

[sig]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Shams Charania: Warriors are sending Jordan Poole, a protected first-round pick in 2030 and a second-rounder in 2027 to the Wizards for Chris Paul, league sources said. 4 mins ago ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

What is GS planning on doing with CP3?

Probably same thing they did with Poole. I'd say CP3 gives them a better shot at another title just by fixing chemistry issues. They got out from under the Poole deal.

Gotta think the wiz will take one of the PF's now with Jones and poole in the backcourt. I guess Black could still play SF.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by sig

Probably same thing they did with Poole. I'd say CP3 gives them a better shot at another title just by fixing chemistry issues. They got out from under the Poole deal.

Gotta think the wiz will take one of the PF's now with Jones and poole in the backcourt. I guess Black could still play SF.

I guess, but does a 39 year old CP3, who seems to get injured every year in the playoffs, really help GS win? I guess time will tell.

[BPo001]

Sean Deveney: The @Suns are slated to make the No. 52 pick tonight. After that they won?t control another of their picks until 2031, at the earliest. 1sts in 2023, 25, 27 & 29: to BKN 1sts in 24, 26, 28, 30: swapped w Wash 2nds in 2024-28: to Wash 2nd in 29: to OKC 2nd in 30: to Wash ? via Twitter SeanDeveney

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I just want to watch us make the pick. Trade it later if you want, but nothing sucks the draft dry like a trade before the pick.

[EricaLubarsky]

Six excellent players and four picks to go

[EricaLubarsky]

Anthony black 6

Still some nice ass talent