Gortat appears* bound for a team not named the Dallas Mavericks

[sike]

I would rather trade Josh for Okafor (in that dream) then acquire Odom and have a collection of ill fitting parts.

[Underdog]

[Bayliss]

The Mavs do not need Odom and Marion. They only need one or the other. I'd prefer Marion becaue of his defensive abilities. But to each their own. Getting Odom with Dirk and Marion would make it hard to utilize everyone correctly.

[Mavsfan4ever]

I would like to see someone other then LA sign Odom just to cripple them that little bit.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by jthig32

BTW...I don't want to get anyone's hopes up here. Let me preface this by saying that I doubt there's more than a 5% chance that this happens.

However, Cuban said yesterday at some point that no official paperwork has gone through for the Gortat signing.

Orlando, because of the exception they received in the trade, can now trade Gortat without worrying about BYC issues.

It is possible - remotely possible - that the Magic are simply playing hardball with the Mavs in order to get some sort of chip from them in a SnT (which is possible if all three parties agree to rescind the offer sheet).

Again...I very much doubt this is the case, but I just wanted to alert everyone to the possibility. DLord has mentioned it a couple times as well, lest anyone think I'm claiming this as my original idea.

You say remotely possible...on the surface, to a basketball dummy like me, it sounds like it's quite possible they realized how much interest there was in this guy and decided there was no reason to let him go for nothing...at least, that's what I would tell myself if I were a Magic fan trying to figure out why we're paying that much for someone to back up Dwight freaking Howard. But you guys know a lot more about it than I do.

[Dirkenstien]

I like the idea of trading for Brand. Howard/Willams for Brand works.

Brand / Damp / Hollins
Dirk / Singleton / Hollins
Marion
Barnes? / Terry / Ross
Kidd / JJ / Robo

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

"We still feel terrific about our team," Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "This was an added plus. But we've got Erick Dampier, and he's more than filled that position for us in the past."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.4023c17.html

Ugh...

Wow.....just Wow!!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

You say remotely possible...on the surface, to a basketball dummy like me, it sounds like it's quite possible they realized how much interest there was in this guy and decided there was no reason to let him go for nothing...at least, that's what I would tell myself if I were a Magic fan trying to figure out why we're paying that much for someone to back up Dwight freaking Howard. But you guys know a lot more about it than I do.

Well, the problem is that if they don't do the SnT with Dallas, they can't trade him until December, can't trade him to Dallas for a full year, and he has to approve any trade for a full year.

So there's a TON of leeway for them to get royally screwed.

[Dirklebron]

They are still awaiting the official loss of Gortat (paperwork, one more conversation with the Magic?, a super-secret S-and-T?)

i hope thats true!, i can't stand damp and do we really want odom? He is no big man, he can play the 1 for goodness sake. We need presence in the middle not a lamar scrotom

[Mavsfan4ever]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Well, the problem is that if they don't do the SnT with Dallas, they can't trade him until December, can't trade him to Dallas for a full year, and he has to approve any trade for a full year.

So there's a TON of leeway for them to get royally screwed.

I hope they do get screwed. I know Gortat is an unknown commodity so that does not other me much I'm just pissed at how they kept or MLE tied up so long.

[darkwitzki]

On the contrary, having Odom on the lineup gives us a lethal 3 headed power forward combo when played at the same time, though giving us an average defense but sure enough will get the opposing team a hard time defending. Who knows Carlisle can tap the real talent behind Lamar and bring out an all star within..

[Dirklebron]

Originally Posted by darkwitzki

On the contrary, having Odom on the lineup gives us a lethal 3 headed power forward combo when played at the same time, though giving us an average defense but sure enough will get the opposing team a hard time defending. Who knows Carlisle can tap the real talent behind Lamar and bring out an all star within..

Too bad odom isn't a power foward, foward yeah but power lol yah right. Dallas will never get it we've had walker/dirk/jamison playing power foward before where that get us? Its not only about match ups, dallas needs someone in the paint other teams will be scared of, who do we have like that right now? Not one single big man, Gortat would have changed that. All odom brings is more scoring, we really don't need that at all.

LOL READ YOUR OWN SIGNITURE, then tell me u want odom.

[cowdog80]

Originally Posted by Dirklebron

Too bad odom isn't a power foward, foward yeah but power lol yah right. Dallas will never get it we've had walker/dirk/jamison playing power foward before where that get us? Its not only about match ups, dallas needs someone in the paint other teams will be scared of, who do we have like that right now? Not one single big man, Gortat would have changed that. All odom brings is more scoring, we really don't need that at all.

LOL READ YOUR OWN SIGNITURE, then tell me u want odom.

Odom has had most of his success in LA playing the 4.

Unlike Walker, Dirk, and Jamison, Odom is NOT a jumpshooter (not usually at least). He's at his best driving the lane and playing around the rim.

Defensively, he's not great. But he can guard most of the PFs (i.e. basically everybody but KG, Al Jefferson, and Duncan - if you want to call him a PF) in the league without getting his butt handed to him.

[Underdog]

Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Odom = fail


(looks like a Nellie squad on steroids, but only in relation to size...)

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Kidd/Howard/Marion/Dirk/Odom = fail

(looks like a Nellie squad on steroids, but only in relation to size...)

but look at all the rings he has as a coach!!

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

I like the idea of trading for Brand. Howard/Willams for Brand works.

Brand / Damp / Hollins
Dirk / Singleton / Hollins
Marion
Barnes? / Terry / Ross
Kidd / JJ / Robo

Man you really like these undersized centers that aren't that good defensively. Same token, I like all the ones you brought up more than Damp overall.

[ty]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb...dge_cuban.nba/

Cuban Interview w/ David Aldridge, where he talks a little bit about the Gortat matching. Poor guy.

Did he say "Roddy Buckets?"

Apologies if this link was already posted...I didn't see it anywhere else...

[Dirklebron]

Originally Posted by cowdog80

Odom has had most of his success in LA playing the 4.

Unlike Walker, Dirk, and Jamison, Odom is NOT a jumpshooter (not usually at least). He's at his best driving the lane and playing around the rim.

Defensively, he's not great. But he can guard most of the PFs (i.e. basically everybody but KG, Al Jefferson, and Duncan - if you want to call him a PF) in the league without getting his butt handed to him.

I am not saying odom is horrible or anything, but why do we need him? for what? What does he bring that we don't already have? What i am trying to get at is odom is not who we want or need at all, i see no purpose in him except if we want to go back to our old ways of just stacking up power fowards even though we have Dirk. Howard/marion/dirk is plenty at 3/4 where else is odom needed? 5? lol ya right he barely is a 4.

[cookiemonster592]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

If you believe the Raptors would trade their most talented player to a competitor in the East for a pile of trash then you, sir, are a complete idiot.

+1

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by jthig32

It is possible - remotely possible - that the Magic are simply playing hardball with the Mavs in order to get some sort of chip from them in a SnT (which is possible if all three parties agree to rescind the offer sheet).

If that's what Otis had in mind, then he can go f*ck himself and pay $6 mil/yr for his backup center.

[cookiemonster592]

Originally Posted by DoYouBelieveInMagic92

Sorry to inform you,but this is the best move of the off-season(next to stalling re-signing Gortat to sign Dallas's own Brandon Bass) for Otis Smith and the Magic.Otis couldn't have played his cards any better than he did,while Dallas's card where abruptly stuck on their forehead,showing everything.We traded for VC,who will knock off $18M in cap space come 2011,in which we will use to resign the best C in he NBA to a max contract.

Gortat will not remain w/ the team past 2010,and if...I mean when we try to move Gortat,we have a trade exception($8) from the Turkoglu/Marion trade,in which we will use to trade for a top PF(theres whispers of the Magic trading Gortat,the $8M trade exception,JJ Redick and a first rounder to Toronto for CB4[the salaries matchup).So,basically(and Im assuming Ive figured out Otis's gameplan) the VC deal allows the Magic to re-sign Gortat,not to mention the $1-3M of cash considerations we got from Dallas in the Turkuglo/Marion deal that we basically just used to help retain Gortat fom you guys,even though we really didn't need it.Mainly becaue,Magic owner Rich De Vos(83) has most likely double the amount of money Mark Cuban has,so heading into the luxury tax for him in a non-issue.

Even if Gortat declines a trade this year,next year he will be just as hot(we'd be going deep int to he playoffs again,allowing Gortat to showcase his talents again,possibly even winning it all),maybe even moreso,w/ all the teams clearing cap space for twenty-ten,so if this be the plan Otis has......I gotta say a die hard Magic fan....Im rather impressed.....

That deal will never happen, plus if I recall the Magic have traded their first round draft pick two years in a row. Because of that they can't use that as a bargaining chip this year.
Plus the players you mentioned there is no way the Raptors will take that kind of trash for their best player.
So that trade you mentioned is a non starter even before it got to the gate.

The smartest move for the Magic would have been not to match on Gortat and now they can't trade him until at least Dec 15th and then only with his approval.
So who screwed who it sounds more like the Magic have screwed themselves overpaying how much for in their case a backup center.

[cookiemonster592]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

What's funny is that all the Orlando posters on the message board seem to believe they are going to get Battier from Houston in December. Where exactly are they getting this idea? Didn't Houston offer less than us this summer?

I been reading everything and it seems they are talking about using the TE.
If they do that it would put Houston below the lux tax and apparently Houston is gun oh for that.
Gortat would be traded for cash and draft picks. Any ways that is what they are talking about on their forum, what Otis Smith actually does is any one's guess.

[sike]

still no official word of papers signed? Or is Gortat even in the country?

[DirkFTW]

[bobatundi]

Maybe Gortat is going to sign with a Euro team to screw the Magic. Now that I'd like to see.

[Dirklebron]

Originally Posted by bobatundi

Maybe Gortat is going to sign with a Euro team to screw the Magic. Now that I'd like to see.

lol he is restrickted, if he could sign to whoever he would have been ours.

[Dirkenstien]

Just learned that Orlando can't use the TPE in a packing including another player so if they use that as a chip it'll have to be just to take on a player which will again add to their luxury tax bill.

Their FO is shelling out all of this money and won't even be in the Finals next season. Maybe if they kept Hedo on the squad they'd have a legitimate team but currently they're going to be terrible defensively and won't have Turkoglu's Point Forward capabilities to direct their offense.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man you really like these undersized centers that aren't that good defensively. Same token, I like all the ones you brought up more than Damp overall.

Just trying to look at all the possibilities. I think Dalembert, Brand, and Kaman could all be had for a package around Howard but it really comes down to which player are we planning on chasing next offseason.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Man you really like these undersized centers that aren't that good defensively. Same token, I like all the ones you brought up more than Damp overall.

Actually Brand plays both inside and out offensively. Defensively Brand was known to be a very good shot blocker. In fact he has had a couple of seasons where he avg 2.5 blocks per game. 6 seasons with over 10 rebounds per game.

I would suspect him to be a 15/10 guy for the Mavs pretty easily.......IF he is healthy.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Just trying to look at all the possibilities. I think Dalembert, Brand, and Kaman could all be had for a package around Howard but it really comes down to which player are we planning on chasing next offseason.

None of them are worth Howard. I'd rather make do with Damp/Hollins.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

The Mavs do not need Odom and Marion. They only need one or the other. I'd prefer Marion becaue of his defensive abilities. But to each their own. Getting Odom with Dirk and Marion would make it hard to utilize everyone correctly.

Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkolu are redundant as well........except the still figured out how to make it work.

Odom and Marion at the swing isn't bad with Kidd running the break, and Odom running the offense in the half court.

How many teams can defend a pick n roll with Dirk/Odom with Kidd spotted up at the 3 and Marion backside cutting?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Perhaps this is a dumb question but if the paper work hasn't gone through then can't the Mavs rescind their offer?

[monty55555]

I wonder why there isn't any news about the official signing. Has Orlando done the deal? Is it official? Or is it just understood that Gortat will remain with Orlando and no formal signing is necessary?

[MavsX]

f the magic

[SMC0007]

The Magic are F'ed

[DirkFTW]

IndianButtMagic >>>> Magic

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by clutch#41

haha he looks like stuart scott from espn.com lol

Ooh, burn.

[Justin Credible]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

What are you talking about?

If Damp averages X amount of minutes a game throughout the 09-10 season then he has an additional year guaranteed in his contract that pays $13m. Although, DB is now reporting that he has to play 30 mpg in 70 games for that to be the case, something that I was unaware of when posting that last night.

2 completely separate things:

1) Magic fans; Your GM pulled a quick one and managed to pry away Bass and Gortat all in one swoop. Congrats, that really is awesome for your team. Is it right? Not at all, but Otis did what he thought he had to do (I guess) to get/keep the pieces that he felt were needed.

That being said: Coming over here and just rubbing salt in the wound does nothing constructive at all. Props to you and your enthusiasm, but it really doesn't have much of a place here. I would hope that the members here aren't trolling on the Magic forums as well..

2) To be honest.. While typing "1" I forgot what "2" was.. Oh well, I would also like to know of the offer can be officially rescinded before it is officially matched. Then again, I don't see how that could really help the Mavs any more than it would actually help Orlando (unless a "never-gonna-happen" s&t has already been discussed).

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

"We still feel terrific about our team," Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "This was an added plus. But we've got Erick Dampier, and he's more than filled that position for us in the past."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.4023c17.html

Ugh...

After reading that, this very-unsafe-for-work clip was all I could think of...

Not only do we lose Bass for nothing, but involving them in the deal to get Marion allowed them to keep Gortat...

If anyone here still honestly has any faith in the FO, please, enlighten me as to why. It seems like every GM in the league can't wait to screw Cubes and ding-dong Donnie. Even if there were an under-the-table agreement between Otis and the mavs "brain trust(???)", those deals are illegal in daylight and impossible to enforce. Cubes and Donnie are arrogant amateurs running my favorite basketball team. Perhaps some people feel that Donnie isn't the worst GM in the NBA; you may be right...

But Otis Smith is a better GM than Donnie today and he isn't exactly a rocket scientist...

This sucks.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Perhaps this is a dumb question but if the paper work hasn't gone through then can't the Mavs rescind their offer?

All three parties involved have to agree to rescind the offer.