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ribosoma · 07-28-2009, 09:25 AM

I dislike this move as much as I dislike grabbing Gooden. Taking on douchebags in the hope that they will grow a heart and brain and selling it as "just look at those expirings" is ridiculous for a team that has had the same fatal flaw for several years that is not even close to being addressed by those moves. If we are in win-now mode, then it would have been great to add a physical presence at the 5 and two-way player at the 2. What we've done is add a proven 3 in Marion, a knucklehead finesse 4 in Gooden, and punk a-hole disinterested TT.

I understand the logic of strengthening the back-end of the roster, but there are holes at starting spots and wishful thinking doesn't fill that void. I guess that I could disregard all of the times I have seen Gooden and Thomas play uninspired basketball and try to convince myself that these last two puzzling moves make sense, but my homer glasses were completely destroyed after they let Bass walk because they assumed the Magic wouldn't match Gortat. There seem to be lots of assumptions coming from the Mavs FO these days.

Underdog · 07-28-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Tim Thomas & Drew Gooden combine for 16 teams in 19 seasons...

('nuff said!)

This got buried in the thread last night...

jthig32 · 07-28-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ribosoma

I dislike this move as much as I dislike grabbing Gooden. Taking on douchebags in the hope that they will grow a heart and brain and selling it as "just look at those expirings" is ridiculous for a team that has had the same fatal flaw for several years that is not even close to being addressed by those moves. If we are in win-now mode, then it would have been great to add a physical presence at the 5 and two-way player at the 2. What we've done is add a proven 3 in Marion, a knucklehead finesse 4 in Gooden, and punk a-hole disinterested TT.

I understand the logic of strengthening the back-end of the roster, but there are holes at starting spots and wishful thinking doesn't fill that void. I guess that I could disregard all of the times I have seen Gooden and Thomas play uninspired basketball and try to convince myself that these last two puzzling moves make sense, but my homer glasses were completely destroyed after they let Bass walk because they assumed the Magic wouldn't match Gortat. There seem to be lots of assumptions coming from the Mavs FO these days.

Mark this as the first time I've ever agreed with Ribosoma on anything. And actually I don't agree with all of it. I'm not angry about the Gooden and TT additions because they came at the expense of someone else. I'm very happy with the current starting lineup plus Jet.

But adding douchebags without hearts or brains is exactly right. Especially Tim Thomas. At least with Gooden you can find some people claiming he goes over well in a locker room. Who has ever written anything positive about Tim Thomas over the past eight years?

CapitanObvious · 07-28-2009, 09:52 AM

Carlisle did say last season that he wants a-holes on the team...

horse900703 · 07-28-2009, 09:54 AM

Here comes another one, Can we him as a center?

Underdog · 07-28-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CapitanObvious

Carlisle did say last season that he wants a-holes on the team...

Tim Thomas = a-hole who talks a lot

Ron Artest = a-hole who can back it up on the court

purplefrog · 07-28-2009, 09:56 AM

DavidDaMonkey · 07-28-2009, 09:57 AM

I've never lived in another NBA city, but I will take a guess that there isn't a fanbase out there that likes every single member on its team. Have we ever liked every player we had? Seriously guys, can't we calm down just a bit? I agree that Tim Thomas is not the best player in the NBA, but he's cheap, available, and fills a need.

He's not going to be starting, or probably even playing huge minutes. Donnie himself said that we are working on end of the roster things, and I think this falls into that category. Sure, having a talented hard working player at every single position would be nice, but that is the ideal possible situation, the top of the heap. If you want $150 and someone gives you $140 that doesn't "suck." Even $130 isn't bad, considering probably no one else has $150. It's not the best possible situation, but "best possible situations" are rare in basketball and don't happen every year. A team has 15 players, and each player has an agent, and every trade or signing involves lots of money and deal making and often multiple other teams and GMs and coaches and families. Getting a roster full of every player that you personally want is not an easy thing.

I realize you may not like Tim Thomas's attitude or his game or his place on this team, but him being here is not the end of the world that a lot of you are making it out to be. Personally, I don't think highly enough of the guy to think he has the power to bring down our entire (or really any) of our team. He's one very small piece. Get over it.

DavidDaMonkey · 07-28-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rod1975

I've been out of the loop for awhile, so let me get this straight, these are the moves the Mavs have done in the offseason:

-re-signed Kidd... woo hoo a 38 yr old PG.
-got pwned by Otis Smith *after* saving the Magic money...
-draft was a yawn
-traded for a *former* all-star whose shot I now have to fight the urge to cringe at
-signed a head case spare that will sully a Mavericks uniform-tough to spin anything positive out of Gooden (If he was'nt gooden turrible he would have stuck with a team by now)
-signed an a-hole spare that's 6'10" and does'nt rebound, hustle, or play defense...
-the last two combining for 16 teams in 19 seasons...
-and last but not least...letting 2-3 promising young players walk for nothing...
did I miss anything?

Sorry, but I'd need about 10 phds in spin doctoring to talk myself into liking what's going on this offseason...

You had no problem spinning it to look as negative as possible, why should spinning it the other way be any different?

jthig32 · 07-28-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidDaMonkey

I've never lived in another NBA city, but I will take a guess that there isn't a fanbase out there that likes every single member on its team. Have we ever liked every player we had? Seriously guys, can't we calm down just a bit? I agree that Tim Thomas is not the best player in the NBA, but he's cheap, available, and fills a need.

He's not going to be starting, or probably even playing huge minutes. Donnie himself said that we are working on end of the roster things, and I think this falls into that category. Sure, having a talented hard working player at every single position would be nice, but that is the ideal possible situation, the top of the heap. If you want $150 and someone gives you $140 that doesn't "suck." Even $130 isn't bad, considering probably no one else has $150. It's not the best possible situation, but "best possible situations" are rare in basketball and don't happen every year. A team has 15 players, and each player has an agent, and every trade or signing involves lots of money and deal making and often multiple other teams and GMs and coaches and families. Getting a roster full of every player that you personally want is not an easy thing.

I realize you may not like Tim Thomas's attitude or his game or his place on this team, but him being here is not the end of the world that a lot of you are making it out to be. Personally, I don't think highly enough of the guy to think he has the power to bring down our entire (or really any) of our team. He's one very small piece. Get over it.

What if the bills that make up that $140 are powdered in anthrax? Hmmm?

chumdawg · 07-28-2009, 10:03 AM

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Anyone who has watched the NBA over the past ten years knows that Tim Thomas is a loser. He's a loser. He doesn't care about competing night in and night out, he doesn't care about putting in an effort defensively, he doesn't care about playing within a system. He's a chucker, he's lazy, and he has no business on a team trying to win. He is the antithesis of Dirk in every imaginable way.

Were you talking about Tim Thomas or Erick Dampier?

Usually Lurkin · 07-28-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

What if the bills that make up that $140 are powdered in anthrax? Hmmm?

or, if the folks you want to compete with get $160, then you are actually losing at least $20.

muzak · 07-28-2009, 10:04 AM

You're asking TT and Gooden to be the 7th/8th, or even the 9th best player on this team. I fail to see how this is so bad. That's freakin' depth if you ask me.

DavidDaMonkey · 07-28-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

or, if the folks you want to compete with get $160, then you are actually losing at least $20.

It seems my analogy was too vague. No team is going to have 16 players on its roster. Even if they could, I highly doubt that any team has 15 (or 16) perfect players.

DirkFTW · 07-28-2009, 10:14 AM

MascisMan · 07-28-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Were you talking about Tim Thomas or Erick Dampier?

Erick Dampier isn't a chucker. The one good thing about Damp is that he generally doesn't take bad shots. The problem with Damp is that there is not an aggressive bone in his body.

sefant77 · 07-28-2009, 10:26 AM

No one can tell me that Tim Thomas is the better "shooter" and fit than McCants...

Justin Credible · 07-28-2009, 10:28 AM

Well, it's not finalized and it ups the 3pt fg% quite a bit (which is something we all want). It looks like his minutes will be very minimal unless he earns otherwise. We've seen the FO send Shawne Williams home, I'm sure they'd do the same to Thomas in a heartbeat.

Idk, I guess it could be worse.. We could be the Lakers (if they lose Odom).. Great starting lineup, no bench worth discussing.

Justin Credible · 07-28-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

No one can tell me that Tim Thomas is the better "shooter" and fit than McCants...

Definitely won't hear that from me. I'd rather have McCants over Wafer or TT any day of the week.

Underdog · 07-28-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

No one can tell me that Tim Thomas is the better "shooter" and fit than McCants...

McCants is also a better defender and isn't known for being a little bitch...

McCants (1984) - 36.8% career 3P shooter
Thomas (1977) - 36.9% career 3P shooter

sefant77 · 07-28-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

McCants is also a better defender and isn't known for being a little bitch...

McCants (1984) - 36.8% career 3P shooter
Thomas (1977) - 36.9% career 3P shooter

Well, McCants isnt everyones darling like Dirk but hell he can shoot and score and is a way better defender than Thomas...

And probably a way better throw-in in the next trade...

Bayliss · 07-28-2009, 10:52 AM

Tim Thomas will be a decent guy to sub in for Howard and Marion. Mccants could not do that.

When Thomas is on the floor with Marion, Marion will be guarding the perimeter guy, when he is on the floor with Howard, Howard will be guarding the perimeter guy.

SMC0007 · 07-28-2009, 10:55 AM

I'll wait and see how this works out in the locker room and off the court but I don't have much of a problem with the basketball side of this. TT can shoot and I would rather have him over Devil George, SWilliams, Singleton for sure. I would rather have him filling in Wrights minutes too.

We have a pretty experienced team and I think the end of the bench where Thomas seem to be headed is better than it was. Idk where Gooden is going to land in the rotation but, these two moves don't slay me. I'm sure TT and Dirk will be fine!!!

LSMF · 07-28-2009, 11:00 AM

Damn we seriously got Tim Freaking Thomas?! One of my most hated players in the league is now on my favorite team, this sucks.

Justin Credible · 07-28-2009, 11:01 AM

Well, after reading the latest db article it seems as if TT is, in fact, getting the remainder of the MLE. That would be great, except Donnie says that there's no intent on using the BAE.. which means no McCants/Wafer.

BTW, wasn't Singleton a solid rebounder as well? If Carlisle's new plan is to control the game by controlling the glass and having ample offensive options, wouldn't that include Singleton? I understand that his (initial) minutes would be bumped by TT, but what if TT is a bust? Wouldn't it be nice to have a second option?

So current rotation:

Kidd/JJB/Beaubois
Howard/Jet/Ross/Carroll
Marion/Howard/Ross
Dirk/Marion/TT/Gooden
Damp/Gooden/Dirk

That actually seems pretty damn great.. Except I think that Singleton would be better behind Marion at the 4 and that would make TT a purely situational player (better for all involved). Plus, Singleton could be a situational player at the 5 considering he can snag rebounds. IDK, I guess I just don't want to lose both Hollins and Singleton given the fact that they're two of my favorite players on last season's team. I mean, of course I admit Dirk/Howard/Kidd/JJB were higher on my list.. But at least Singleton/Hollins were on that list.

Now? TT/Gooden. Can't say I'm a bigger fan of either than whom they are replacing. I admit that the production might be better, but I can't say that I'd rather have them over whom they are replacing.

SMC0007 · 07-28-2009, 11:15 AM

I don't fully understand the hate against Gooden, there are damn near as many reason to hate on Dampear. Tim Thomas is an upgrade over what we had is it not? I mean we added super solid defenders in Marion and Ross, why not be a lil excited that we have a little help on the offensive end when our big guns are resting. We have a pretty damn decent defensive starting lineup.... a few guys off the bench that have ability to score is welcomed by me.

vinylstar · 07-28-2009, 11:17 AM

Google Chat:

David: lets just hope that gooden and thomas are on short leashes by carlisle
Matt: Gooden concerns me far less
David: and that...is funny
Matt: hahaha. it is.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-28-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I don't fully understand the hate against Gooden, there are damn near as many reason to hate on Dampear. Tim Thomas is an upgrade over what we had is it not? I mean we added super solid defenders in Marion and Ross, why not be a lil excited that we have a little help on the offensive end when our big guns are resting. We have a pretty damn decent defensive starting lineup.... a few guys off the bench that have ability to score is welcomed by me.

I agree with you SMC. I may have my rose colored homer glasses on to tight but, I honestly believe with the team we have that we can reach the number 3 seed in the west. Now if the Lakers lose Odom we might have a chance at a higher seed especially if we land a decent center.

EricaLubarsky · 07-28-2009, 11:23 AM

I'm baffled truly baffled. Ive tried to be optimistic about every move we've made and I'll try to be optimistic, but the only thing I can figure is that Don Nelson got so mad at Cuban that he kidnapped Carlisle, and is secretly making Donnie turn this team into a Nelson team with Thomas being our Raef LaFrentz.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-28-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rod1975

-re-signed Kidd... woo hoo a 38 yr old PG.

He's 36.

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-got pwned by Otis Smith *after* saving the Magic money...

That's not a move.

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-draft was a yawn

No.

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-traded for a *former* all-star whose shot I now have to fight the urge to cringe at

Former *four-time* all-star.

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-signed a head case spare that will sully a Mavericks uniform-tough to spin anything positive out of Gooden (If he was'nt gooden turrible he would have stuck with a team by now)

He'll be moved again.

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-signed an a-hole spare that's 6'10" and does'nt rebound, hustle, or play defense...

Probably.

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-the last two combining for 16 teams in 19 seasons...

That's not a move.

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-and last but not least...letting 2-3 promising young players walk for nothing...

Nothing is finalized, Singleton isn't all that young, and we have 20 players on the roster.

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Sorry, but I'd need about 10 phds in spin doctoring to talk myself into liking what's going on this offseason...

Yeah, looks like you managed to sum it up without any spin whatsoever.

quietsavant · 07-28-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod1975

I've been out of the loop for awhile, so let me get this straight, these are the moves the Mavs have done in the offseason:

-re-signed Kidd... woo hoo a 38 yr old PG.
-got pwned by Otis Smith *after* saving the Magic money...
-draft was a yawn
-traded for a *former* all-star whose shot I now have to fight the urge to cringe at
-signed a head case spare that will sully a Mavericks uniform-tough to spin anything positive out of Gooden (If he was'nt gooden turrible he would have stuck with a team by now)
-signed an a-hole spare that's 6'10" and does'nt rebound, hustle, or play defense...
-the last two combining for 16 teams in 19 seasons...
-and last but not least...letting 2-3 promising young players walk for nothing...
did I miss anything?

Sorry, but I'd need about 10 phds in spin doctoring to talk myself into liking what's going on this offseason...

Three Teams in Big Texas my brother. If you think you have better choices than the MAVS, I don't want you to suffer any more, keep your Circus show moving on down to Houston or San Antone. Trust me you wont be missed. One more thing, Make sure you let the door knob hit you where the sun don't shine, for you will certainly not feel a THING. You have nothing down there anyways.

quietsavant · 07-28-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

This got buried in the thread last night...

haha. maybe they can help RC with strategy and calls from coaches in half of the league.

EricaLubarsky · 07-28-2009, 12:19 PM

Its funny that Thomas was earning 6.5mill. Who signed him to that one? Ouch.

chumdawg · 07-28-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Its funny that Thomas was earning 6.5mill. Who signed him to that one? Ouch.

Dude has made something like $85MM over his career. Let that sink in!

Dtownsfinest · 07-28-2009, 12:24 PM

This is just the Doug Christie, Eddie Jones move of this offseason. A worthless player who use to be good who's turned into sh**.

pepe · 07-28-2009, 12:27 PM

Really puzzle about the Gooden and Thomas signing, but heck at least they are a one year signing. I will always root for a player in a Mavs uniform, so welcome aboard DGooden and TThomas.

Living in Western Arizona I see a lot of Clippers and Suns games and Thomas has become an adequate defender specially against Big Men, he play quite well in the Power Forward spot but get abused at the 3, In Phoenix D'Antoni play him a lot at the Center spot to create mismatches, but the guy got owned in that spot, the last couple of years he play the 4 and to my surprise he didn't look that bad.

I dare to say that IMO he is a better one on one defender that Dirk at the 4. The problem with him and Gooden is that they lack focus, Gooden is a lot cause unless Carslile can magically teach this guy some defense.

I am with the board consensus not too happy with the last signings but I will reserve any judgment until the roster is set.

Dtownsfinest · 07-28-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by muzak

You're asking TT and Gooden to be the 7th/8th, or even the 9th best player on this team. I fail to see how this is so bad. That's freakin' depth if you ask me.

Tim Thomas is not the 7th,8th or 9th best player on this team. He has his spurts here in there but more likely than not he's on bum status for the majority of the game. These are the type of players we need to stay away from. Guys who just don't give the effort night in and night out.

fluid.forty.one · 07-28-2009, 12:31 PM

ugh.. I can't believe the mavs just signed two huge douchebags.

EricaLubarsky · 07-28-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

This is just the Doug Christie, Eddie Jones move of this offseason. A worthless player who use to be good who's turned into sh**.

Career: 43.6%/36.9%/75.7%....21pp48, 7.6rp48, 1.3sp48
Last yr: 43.2%/41.3%/73.6%...21pp48, 7.6rp48, 1.2sp48

He's washed up, or as you say it, "turned to s@#t"? Looks like his numbers are pretty much on par with the rest of his career.

And Im pretty amazed that he continues to be a good/great 3pt shooter. If he can come in and be 2009/2010s version of the Walt "the Wizard" Williams, then Im actually pretty supportive of this.

quietsavant · 07-28-2009, 12:45 PM

FELLAS!!!!!!! STOP ACTING LIKE THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI

THIS BLABBERING BABIES RUMBAYTUTTIFRUITY B-TCH FEST MUST CEASE.
You are MAV fans for god sake