Dallas Mavericks 2009 Camp Thread - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Flacolaco · 10-02-2009, 12:05 PM

All this Drew Gooden talk is making me nauseated.

jthig32 · 10-02-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That strikes me as a bit odd that Gooden's agent designed the contract on make-good like that. In case the fit isn't right? That somehow sounds pretty pessimistic about Gooden's chances at success here, especially from his agent. I'm not an expert on agents and contracts, but isn't it pretty stupid to turn down a multi-year deal for someone like him? Is there a richer market in free agency for Gooden next summer? A guy who has been on seven teams wants to re-test the market again?

Pretty good article.

It is odd that his agent wants to test the market next summer, when so many players much, much better than him are going to be on the market. Doesn't make any sense.

I'm more concerned about the notion that Cubes was willing to give him a multi-year contract. It's hard to draw a conclusion without knowing the potential dollar figures, but I'm certainly elated that we didn't sign him to anything longer than a year.

LSMF · 10-02-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That's pretty cool. I wouldn't want Mchale giving any financial advice (cough under the table contract cough), but he'd be a great big man coach. Teach Damp/Gooden/Humphries/Singleton a thing or two.

On another note, I'm kind of surprised to see how well Marion is integrating with the team. It seems like he really genuinely gets along with everyone and is a goofball. I know it's early, but this seems opposite from all of those negative rumors you heard about the Suns locker room.

Hey, I was wondering lately about something. I wonder how Dwayne casey feels about McHale being around. Remember that a few years ago Casey was fired by McHale, and he was fired even though the t'wolves at the time were above .500...

badfish22 · 10-02-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Hmmm.

I wonder what fish has to say about that.

Hes been praising Cuban and Donnie quite a bit for that contract.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-02-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Hey, I was wondering lately about something. I wonder how Dwayne casey feels about McHale being around. Remember that a few years ago Casey was fired by McHale, and he was fired even though the t'wolves at the time were above .500...

Good point, but who knows what goes down behind the scenes? There were different rumors out there, and it's still puzzling why Casey was fired. Here is a link to Bucher's article on the firing. Take from it what you will...

Either way, I'd be pretty satisfied if McHale replaced/joined Popeye as the big man coach.

Murphy3 · 10-02-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

All this Drew Gooden talk is making me nauseated.

All I know is that I didn't have blood in my urine before Gooden was acquired.. now I do.

You fill in the blanks..

mavErika · 10-02-2009, 08:29 PM

carlisle now on espn radio:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/...station=dallas

training camp day four:

http://friends.mavs.com/forum/topics...ing-camp-day-4

jthig32 · 10-02-2009, 08:55 PM

Marion threw down a ridiculous one-handed alley-oop late in the scrimmage during Fan Jam tonight. Just ridiculous.

monty55555 · 10-02-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Marion threw down a ridiculous one-handed alley-oop late in the scrimmage during Fan Jam tonight. Just ridiculous.

Wow! Really? Who gave the assist? Kidd? Dirk? Jet?

I am so excited!

SMC0007 · 10-02-2009, 09:05 PM

Matt CArroll!

I posted a really quick update from my viewpoint of the scrimmage in the fan jam thread.

dirno2000 · 10-02-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Marion threw down a ridiculous one-handed alley-oop late in the scrimmage during Fan Jam tonight. Just ridiculous.

Anything else noteworthy from the scrimmage or did your son have you at the concession and souvenir stands half the evening

monty55555 · 10-02-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Matt CArroll!

I posted a really quick update from my viewpoint of the scrimmage in the fan jam thread.

I just read it! Thanks for the recap.

Wow, Matt Carroll seems to be surprising a lot of people so far!

jthig32 · 10-02-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Anything else noteworthy from the scrimmage or did your son have you at the concession and souvenir stands half the evening

I threw my other observations in the other thread. I ended up taking the whole family so my wife occupied my kids most of the time. Thus I was able to ignore them and watch the actions.

Jon Avalon · 10-02-2009, 10:07 PM

Found a pic of what might be the MC to Marion alleyoop or just a dunk, cool angle.

http://friends.mavs.com/photo/c9c7754-1?context=user

AO41 · 10-02-2009, 10:07 PM

DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT: Over the last 10 years there have been only 3 players that have hit 100+ 3 pointers each year. 2 of them are in Boston and one is in Dallas...any guesses??

Just thought it was a nice stat that I read in some magazine......

Mav Addict · 10-02-2009, 10:30 PM

deez nuts

mavErika · 10-02-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Avalon

Found a pic of what might be the MC to Marion alleyoop or just a dunk, cool angle.

http://friends.mavs.com/photo/c9c7754-1?context=user

thanks for the hint, just watched the whole slideshow:
http://friends.mavs.com/photo/photo/slideshow

a lot of the pics show just the guys signing different things...
http://friends.mavs.com/photo/dallas...context=latest
...and snapshots from the audience, but as you showed there are some photos from the scrimmage action as well. Like this:
http://friends.mavs.com/photo/dallas...context=latest

I think there are about 70 fresh photos overall.

mavErika · 10-02-2009, 11:47 PM

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We all know that Jason Kidd lob passes to Shawn Marion are going to be fun to watch this season.

But Matt Carroll to Marion?

It happened on a nicely executed lob during Fan Jam on Friday night.

"That kind of shocked me,'' Marion said. "And it shocked him, too.
But that was fun. We are an athletic team.''

Whoa, wait a minute. Mavericks and athletic getting used in the same sentence? That hasn't happened much over the years.

"They have had some athletic guys,'' Marion said. "It just gets overshadowed by guys shooting Js.''

Marion can shoot it, too. But he showed his whole package at fan jam, with offensive rebounding, steals, tip-ins and post-ups.

"We're still working out the kinks,'' he said. "We got a little ways to go. But for the most part, we competed on both ends.''

As for the Kidd lob, which he flushed early in the scrimmage, he said: "It's going to work. That's going to be there. Kidd's going to sling it up there. I just got to go up there and get it.''

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/

there is also a report about who had the most people waitung in line for an autograph. It was Dirk.

robhough69 · 10-03-2009, 02:52 AM

I hope Nathan Jawai performs well in camp. It would be nice to have an Aussie on the team (even for selfish reasons) haha, but yea i watched the Australian international games he hits the boards hard but is a little flamboyant on offence.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-03-2009, 09:56 AM

Looks like the three guard line up hasn't died...

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A few highlights: Jason Kidd and Roddy Beaubois were on the Blue team and spent considerable time on the floor together. Carlisle has said he will experiment with three smaller guards on the floor at the same time from the group of J.J. Barea, Jason Terry, Kidd and Beaubois.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3d3bcff.html

jthig32 · 10-03-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Looks like the three guard line up hasn't died...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3d3bcff.html

I found it interesting that when Roddy and Kidd were on the floor together, Roddy ran the offense with Kidd playing off the ball. All the time.

That may have just been to get Roddy as much experience as possible, but I found it interesting.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-03-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I found it interesting that when Roddy and Kidd were on the floor together, Roddy ran the offense with Kidd playing off the ball. All the time.

That may have just been to get Roddy as much experience as possible, but I found it interesting.

Carlisle has been quoted more than once about using Kidd and Roddy together, so it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, I'd like to see Kidd shoot more. I'm really hoping Kidd can increase his overall production this season. He should average 10 apg easy. Maybe Carlisle is experimenting with the small guard lineup in case Howard isn't 100% to start the regular season. Smart ass coach if he is.

jthig32 · 10-03-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Carlisle has been quoted more than once about using Kidd and Roddy together, so it wouldn't surprise me. Plus, I'd like to see Kidd shoot more. I'm really hoping Kidd can increase his overall production this season. He should average 10 apg easy. Maybe Carlisle is experimenting with the small guard lineup in case Howard isn't 100% to start the regular season. Smart ass coach if he is.

I wasn't surprised that they played together. I was surprised that Roddy ran the point while they played together. Carlisle had previously said they were going to get Roddy some time at point and off guard this pre-season.

But as I said, maybe they're wanting to see him run the point as much as possible right now.

chumdawg · 10-03-2009, 03:17 PM

Hell, if you had on your hands the illegitimate lovechild of Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, you'd run him at point all day, too!

badfish22 · 10-03-2009, 04:40 PM

Day 5

Jon Avalon · 10-03-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

Day 5

lol, love the matrix time filler part.

fluid.forty.one · 10-03-2009, 05:04 PM

I can't remember the last time I was this optimistic about a season...

fluid.forty.one · 10-03-2009, 05:08 PM

"and when (Terry) completely botched the pronunciation of Roddy Beaubois’ last name... (he) made up for it by calling him “"Roddy Mbenga Diop Olajuwan Beaubois.""

hahaha

tcat075 · 10-03-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I wasn't surprised that they played together. I was surprised that Roddy ran the point while they played together. Carlisle had previously said they were going to get Roddy some time at point and off guard this pre-season.

But as I said, maybe they're wanting to see him run the point as much as possible right now.

I think that Roddy's not going to have much of a chance to run point once the season starts. Obviously, Kidd is going to get a bulk of the minutes and JJ should prove to be a more consistent option than Roddy, so Roddy's best shot of getting serious minutes at point is now, before games mean anything.

Also, I don't doubt that they wanted to get the ball into someone who can make flashy plays for the fans at the scrimmage. Sounds like Roddy came through with those around the back passes.

DLord · 10-03-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AO41

DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT: Over the last 10 years there have been only 3 players that have hit 100+ 3 pointers each year. 2 of them are in Boston and one is in Dallas...any guesses??

Ray Allen is the only one I can find.

JET and Paul Pierce have 9 year streaks that began in 2000-01.

To qualify it takes 1000 3s made in a career (100 x 10 yrs), or more, and there are only approx 23 such active players (the number prior to their name is their ranking on the NBAs all time list of made 3s)

2. Ray Allen 2299
4. Peja Stojakovic 1571
9. Jason Kidd 1486
10. Chauncey Billups 1432
11. Michael Finley 1422
12. Rashard Lewis 1419
13. Brent Barry 1395
14. Jason Terry 1387
15. Antoine Walker 1386
16. Steve Nash 1360
18. Paul Pierce 1358
26. Damon Stoudamire 1236
31. Mike Bibby 1211
32. Kobe Bryant 1204
33. Vince Carter 1192
34. Mike Miller 1173
38. Baron Davis 1143
44. Dirk Nowitzki 1080
45. Lindsey Hunter 1074
46. Jason Richardson 1072
49. Allen Iverson 1050
50. Jamal Crawford 1025
51. Tracy McGrady 1020

badfish22 · 10-03-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Avalon

lol, love the matrix time filler part.

where was he anyway? anyone know?

Jon Avalon · 10-03-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

where was he anyway? anyone know?

No clue

According to his twitter, he said he was off to practice. Maybe he did the morning practice but didn't attend the afternoon session.....i dunno.

EricaLubarsky · 10-03-2009, 09:15 PM

From what I understand he didnt have time to do interviews after practice, but did both of the two-a-days today.

wilmtalk · 10-04-2009, 12:42 AM

I was not that happy about resigning Kidd for that much but when the drafted Roddy it helped change my mind some what. He is the perfect complement to Kidd. I think thats why they drafted him. From the beginning they said they might play them together. Roddy can switch to the point on D while Kidd plays the shooting guard. Roddy also takes it to the hole which kidd doesn't. With Kidd on the floor Roddys inexperience is negated. I for one am really looking forward to that combination.

jthig32 · 10-12-2009, 03:21 PM

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From Eddie Sefko, who will have more later.

Shawn Marion will miss the next few days of practice and possibly Thursday's exhibition with a sore left calf. The Mavericks don't consider it serious but want to be cautious.

Per DMN.

As I mentioned in the GDT, I could see him favoring his leg and grimacing very early in the first quarter. I don't understand why they let him play as long as he did.

SMC0007 · 10-12-2009, 03:53 PM

Now, lets see all the flamers piss and moan and call him names and seek a stupid trade. Because he obviously can't stay on the floor. He's too selfish, idiotic, and injury prone. He can play, he just doesn't want to! Marion for Mike Miller!

dude1394 · 10-12-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I wasn't surprised that they played together. I was surprised that Roddy ran the point while they played together. Carlisle had previously said they were going to get Roddy some time at point and off guard this pre-season.

But as I said, maybe they're wanting to see him run the point as much as possible right now.

I think Carlisle is smart enough to know that jkiddo isn't going to break down a defense, it's the bad that you have to take with his good.

I did notice last night that when jjb was having so much problem bringing the ball up against whoever that scatterbug was, he put jkiddo back in to settle things back down.

He uses JJB the same way when jkiddo is in there, as a driving shooting guard versus a point guard.

92bDad · 10-12-2009, 05:29 PM

I just read the title of this thread as "Dallas Maverics 2009 CHAMPS thread" I was thinking, Hell Ya!!!

I am so stoked about the upcoming season...hope my high expectations are met!!! It could make for a friendlier board!!!

Thomas86 · 10-12-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Now, lets see all the flamers piss and moan and call him names and seek a stupid trade. Because he obviously can't stay on the floor. He's too selfish, idiotic, and injury prone. He can play, he just doesn't want to! Marion for Mike Miller!

Here's Marion talking about why he didn't play in the second half.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

jthig32 · 10-13-2009, 12:46 PM

Stein with the some roster notes.

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Roster dilemma: What to do with Williams?
October 13, 2009, 9:49 AM
By: Marc Stein
Opening Night rosters in the NBA have to be finalized Oct. 26.

The Mavericks thus have a shade under two weeks to make the two decisions they've been weighing since the start of training camp.

Conundrum No. 1: Do the Mavs have the room to keep an emergency third center?

Dilemma No. 2: What do they do with Shawne Williams?

The answer to the first question is most likely a reluctant no.

My ESPNDallas colleague Tim MacMahon has already detailed why the Mavs would prefer to hang onto 11th-hour camp invitee Jake Voskuhl as insurance behind Erick Dampier and Drew Gooden, after Voskuhl showed up slimmed down but as pesky as ever when it comes to running the floor and harassing opposing centers.

Yet all signs point to Dallas releasing both Australian project Nathan Jawai (scheduled to earn $736,420 this season) and then Voskuhl (who possesses a non-guaranteed contract) to make the NBA's 15-man limit.

One team source confirmed this week that the Mavs will indeed keep a full 15-man squad, but keeping Voskuhl would likely require them to buy out Williams' $2.4 million expiring contract.

Which leads us to the second question.

Williams, 23, was banished last season for what the club deemed to be consistently unprofessional conduct and has been offered in trades for months after the Mavs made a quick determination that last October's training-camp acquisition of Williams from Indiana and subsequent willingness to pick up Williams' option for this season were mistakes.

The Mavs remain open to buyout discussions with Williams' camp if a trade doesn't materialize, but one source with knowledge of the club's thinking told ESPN.com that the Mavericks are also exploring the feasibility of suspending Williams without pay for conduct detrimental to the team when the regular season begins. At present he is effectively suspended with pay, like Stephon Marbury and Jamaal Tinsley last season in Indiana and New York, respectively, until both players negotiated buyouts.

In a worst-case scenario, keeping Williams through the Feb. 18 trading deadline isn't the worst idea for the Mavs in case a trade scenario materializes that would be helped along by the inclusion of nearly $2.5 million of expiring salary.

The emergency center thing is interesting. While it will be pretty rare to need that third center, when you do need him, you will REALLY need him. Like when both Damp and Gooden pick up three fouls in the first half playing against Orlando. If that happens in the regular season and Voskul isn't on the roster you are freaking screwed.

With the way Humphries has been playing, you really have to think that the Mavs wish Singleton had not accepted that offer sheet. As it stands right now he's liable to not even suit up most nights.