10-10-2010, 10:15 PM
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That's a whole lotta hope right there.
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Gotta agree, I haven't seen anything out of roddy to warrant 35mpg.
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10-10-2010, 10:26 PM
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Gotta agree, I haven't seen anything out of roddy to warrant 35mpg.
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we've definitely seen flashes, and I think enough to warrant minutes through the ups and downs of a learning curve. But yeah, we can only hope he's good enough to fill out the minutes we need from an NBA starter. We're kinda stuck with hope, though, at the 2 guard and for a 2nd scorer.
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10-10-2010, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
we've definitely seen flashes, and I think enough to warrant minutes through the ups and downs of a learning curve. But yeah, we can only hope he's good enough to fill out the minutes we need from an NBA starter. We're kinda stuck with hope, though, at the 2 guard and for a 2nd scorer.
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What else are the Mavs going to do? During the early part of the regular season, I could see easing him into those minutes by giving Terry a bit more of the burn, but as the season progresses the Mavs have to give Beaubois those minutes and see what happens. If he can't be the SG and the 2nd scorer, the team has to make a move at the break or resign itself to another disappointing postseason.
And please, don't anyone suggest that Butler can be either: 1) a SG, or 2) the 2nd scorer on this team. He doesn't create his own shot well enough, handle well enough, and he's not efficient enough. He fits better in the starting lineup than Marion does because he is at least a threat to score and defends the SF spot fairly well (i.e., he's a 2 way player, unlike Marion), but that's where it ends.
Bottom line: If the Mavs can turn Beaubois into a No. 2 scorer, then things could work out for this roster. If not, more changes are needed.
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10-10-2010, 11:56 PM
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What else are the Mavs going to do? .
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Nothing but hope. The second biggest piece of their championship hopes is a small 2nd year 2 guard that they've spent a year failing to make into a point guard. (and you had Dojo the completely unproven rookie backing him up)
He can jump real high to finish the alley oop, and had a 40 point game. But that really doesn't guarantee anything.
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10-11-2010, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin
Nothing but hope. The second biggest piece of their championship hopes is a small 2nd year 2 guard that they've spent a year failing to make into a point guard. (and you had Dojo the completely unproven rookie backing him up)
He can jump real high to finish the alley oop, and had a 40 point game. But that really doesn't guarantee anything.
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It's sort of like Star Wars and counting on a young Luke Skywalker to shoot a proton blast down the ventilation shaft of the Death Star while being pursued by Darth Vader, except without that whole "Force" thing to help out.
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10-11-2010, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kg_veteran
What else are the Mavs going to do? During the early part of the regular season, I could see easing him into those minutes by giving Terry a bit more of the burn, but as the season progresses the Mavs have to give Beaubois those minutes and see what happens. If he can't be the SG and the 2nd scorer, the team has to make a move at the break or resign itself to another disappointing postseason.
And please, don't anyone suggest that Butler can be either: 1) a SG, or 2) the 2nd scorer on this team. He doesn't create his own shot well enough, handle well enough, and he's not efficient enough. He fits better in the starting lineup than Marion does because he is at least a threat to score and defends the SF spot fairly well (i.e., he's a 2 way player, unlike Marion), but that's where it ends.
Bottom line: If the Mavs can turn Beaubois into a No. 2 scorer, then things could work out for this roster. If not, more changes are needed.
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Unfortunately I agree with you despite my thoughts on roddy. This team as it's constituted now is a one and done candidate (unless they really,really turn up their defensive intensity and I haven't seen that either).
I thought that the Al jefferson route to transform the team was a more solid one, but...
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10-11-2010, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kg_veteran
It's sort of like Star Wars and counting on a young Luke Skywalker to shoot a proton blast down the ventilation shaft of the Death Star while being pursued by Darth Vader, except without that whole "Force" thing to help out.
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hmm. The season doesn't sound quite so uninteresting when you put it that way. I wonder if Guadeloupe has any womp rats.
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10-11-2010, 10:18 AM
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And please, don't anyone suggest that Butler can be either: 1) a SG, or 2) the 2nd scorer on this team.
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Not only can Butler be the second scorer on this team, but he WILL be (unfortunately, being the second scorer on this team and being the second scorer on a championship-caliber team are two different things...)
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10-11-2010, 10:47 AM
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We have three scorer players.
1.Dirk Nowitzki
2.Caron Butler(he will be secound scorer in our team)
3.Jasson Terry
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10-11-2010, 12:40 PM
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We have three scorer players.
1.Dirk Nowitzki
2.Caron Butler(he will be secound scorer in our team)
3.Jasson Terry
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don't forget Roddy B when he gets better...
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10-11-2010, 12:44 PM
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Not only can Butler be the second scorer on this team, but he WILL be
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I'll take that bet. I don't think he will be.
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10-11-2010, 01:04 PM
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It's gonna be close between Caron and Jet again barring a trade.
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10-11-2010, 01:40 PM
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I'll take that bet. I don't think he will be.
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I meant that more as a negative about the rest of the team's scoring ability rather than a positive for Butler.
Who's going to out-score him, Terry? The Mavs have serious problems if our 6th/7th man (whose minutes should be trimmed down this season) is the 2nd-highest scorer.
Maybe Roddy can be our #2 guy, but I'll have to see it before I believe it...
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10-11-2010, 01:44 PM
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I think Roddy has a chance, of course there isn't much to go off of but he can go inside and score from outside. Everyone and their mother in the organization is saying Roddy is the future of the team and his unpredictability brings a new dynamic to an offense that can be very stale.
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10-11-2010, 02:16 PM
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don't forget Roddy B when he gets better...
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yes you have right.Roddy will be great player in this season.
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10-11-2010, 04:33 PM
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I think Roddy has a chance, of course there isn't much to go off of but he can go inside and score from outside. Everyone and their mother in the organization is saying Roddy is the future of the team and his unpredictability brings a new dynamic to an offense that can be very stale.
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I'm not sure what else he can do...but Roddy has proven to me that he can score at a very high level.
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10-11-2010, 05:58 PM
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I'm not sure what else he can do...but Roddy has proven to me that he can score at a very high level.
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Well the next step would be doing so on a consistent level. Can he do it for a series of games, not just the sporadic game here and there, that's what I would want to see...but I believe he can do it.
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10-11-2010, 06:40 PM
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Well the next step would be doing so on a consistent level. Can he do it for a series of games, not just the sporadic game here and there, that's what I would want to see...but I believe he can do it.
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give him the shots, the minutes, and the green light...and he'll get ya pts. Like I said, I'm not sure what else, but I feel fairly confident in his ability to score.
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10-11-2010, 07:18 PM
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Looks like Dirk was right at media day "Our future is in Roddys hand".
Butler wont be Robin and Terry is more close to Batgirl than Robin. So maybe if the team has three 15-18PPG players behind Dirk at least two of them will show up every game...
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10-11-2010, 07:20 PM
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Looks like Dirk was right at media day "Our future is in Roddys hand".
Butler wont be Robin and Terry is more close to Batgirl than Robin. So maybe if the team has three 15-18PPG players behind Dirk at least two of them will show up every game...
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http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2010/9/...nt-second-star
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10-12-2010, 10:53 AM
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10-12-2010, 11:16 AM
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10-12-2010, 12:45 PM
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Pretty sad and depressing when a 10x50 veteran team has to pray for a breakout year of o sophmore..
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10-12-2010, 12:56 PM
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Pretty sad and depressing when a 10x50 veteran team has to pray for a breakout year of o sophmore..
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...and when you know that there are at least 3 teams better than you especially the Lakers and the delusional owner looks you in the eyes and tells you "we can beat them". It probably wouldn't hurt my heart so bad if our only move this off sesason was Chandler, Mahinmi, Dojo.
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10-13-2010, 02:52 AM
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You have to hope that a move back to his natural spot at the 3 helps Butler score more. You have to hope having Marion at the 4 like he was in PHX will help him score, especially against some of the stiffs who play back up power forward in this league.
You have to hope Roddy becomes a solid scorer, even after teams start to scheme to stop him.
And you have to hope Terry plays more back up point and JJB plays less.
And even if all that comes through, you have to be dreaming to think this team gets by the Lakers.
However, they might be good enough to beat the rest of the West.... but thats a huge dream as well.
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10-13-2010, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Man
And even if all that comes through, you have to be dreaming to think this team gets by the Lakers.
However, they might be good enough to beat the rest of the West.... but thats a huge dream as well.
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G-Man usually doesn't think so negatively.
We must be in deep poo poo now.
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10-13-2010, 11:02 AM
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You have to hope that a move back to his natural spot at the 3 helps Butler score more. You have to hope having Marion at the 4 like he was in PHX will help him score, especially against some of the stiffs who play back up power forward in this league.
You have to hope Roddy becomes a solid scorer, even after teams start to scheme to stop him.
And you have to hope Terry plays more back up point and JJB plays less.
And even if all that comes through, you have to be dreaming to think this team gets by the Lakers.
However, they might be good enough to beat the rest of the West.... but thats a huge dream as well.
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Sad but true.
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10-13-2010, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Man
You have to hope that a move back to his natural spot at the 3 helps Butler score more. You have to hope having Marion at the 4 like he was in PHX will help him score, especially against some of the stiffs who play back up power forward in this league.
You have to hope Roddy becomes a solid scorer, even after teams start to scheme to stop him.
And you have to hope Terry plays more back up point and JJB plays less.
And even if all that comes through, you have to be dreaming to think this team gets by the Lakers.
However, they might be good enough to beat the rest of the West.... but thats a huge dream as well.
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Nash, fed him for a ton of those buckets. Can't see Barea/Jet setting him up the same way. Marion was a stud of the system, it's a different system different set of players.
Need a 2 guard. I mean Marion-Butler, we got excess there, time to skim the fat and bring in a stud 2 guard. Neither can slide over to the spot. Unfortunately it's difficult to make that move now. Teams are just cutting or trading players 15-20, not the top 8. Just hoping DoJo and eventually Boobs can develop into players this year.
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10-13-2010, 11:38 AM
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To be honest even signing a guy like Raja Bell would made the transition smoother, transition to Boobs/DoJo. Bell would have D'ed up the better backcourt player, sure he's on the wrong side of 30, but this is a 1-2 year project, he fills a need. I think having a fake 2 guard in Jet there, really stunted what we needed to get done in the offseason. Getting Chandler was huge, but not filling the 2 guard, didn't quite get us the homerun to get on par with LA.
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10-13-2010, 01:14 PM
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Too bad we spent that MLE somewhere else.. oh snaps, we didn't.
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10-13-2010, 02:30 PM
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Sad but true.
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I'm sure that our FO is fully aware of the likeliness of us not being able to beat the Lakers in a playoff series and thus willing to try and make the necessary moves later this season. The Lakers should have solved their two biggest weaknesses by adding another point guard as well as Matt Barnes. Blake is the much-needed upgrade at the 1, while he and Matt Barnes together improve the Lakers' once-worrisome lack of depth. One could argue that Blake and Barnes are bigger improvements for them than Tyson Chandler is for us. Not to mention that the Lakers were already better last year.
That said, Chandler isn't supposed to be a difference maker. He and Butler are our biggest trade assets come February. Our entire championship goals and hopes revolve around that deadline. Actually, I think the main reason why Chandler was brought in is because of his huge expiring contract. Depending on the quality of the offers early next year, we could add more expiring contracts (JJB, Stevenson) and/or cheap young talent (Roddy, Dojo).
Therefore, I'm not mad or concerned at this point. I only want us to be good enough to be among the four best teams in the conference, which sounds like a realistic goal. Then, in February, something really big has to happen for us to be in the championship race. If something along those lines didn't happen, then I would be sad because we’re running out of time. Not now.
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10-13-2010, 02:37 PM
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Too bad we spent that MLE somewhere else.. oh snaps, we didn't.
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Oh yea, Haslem, oh wait he said no, Harrington, oh wait he said no.
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10-13-2010, 02:37 PM
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I'm sure that our FO is fully aware of the likeliness of us not being able to beat the Lakers in a playoff series and thus willing to try and make the necessary moves later this season. The Lakers should have solved their two biggest weaknesses by adding another point guard as well as Matt Barnes. Blake is the much-needed upgrade at the 1, while he and Matt Barnes together improve the Lakers' once-worrisome lack of depth. One could argue that Blake and Barnes are bigger improvements for them than Tyson Chandler is for us. Not to mention that the Lakers were already better last year.
That said, Chandler isn't supposed to be a difference maker. He and Butler are our biggest trade assets come February. Our entire championship goals and hopes revolve around that deadline. Actually, I think the main reason why Chandler was brought in is because of his huge expiring contract. Depending on the quality of the offers early next year, we could add more expiring contracts (JJB, Stevenson) and/or cheap young talent (Roddy, Dojo).
Therefore, I'm not mad or concerned at this point. I only want us to be good enough to be among the four best teams in the conference, which sounds like a realistic goal. Then, in February, something really big has to happen for us to be in the championship race. If something along those lines didn't happen, then I would be sad because we’re running out of time. Not now.
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Yeah but I'm getting a jump start.
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10-13-2010, 03:35 PM
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I've called for Terry to get the majority of minutes at the back-up 1 for the past two years. It would be beneficial for several reasons. It would significantly cut down on JJB's minutes (which I think is crucial). Also, it allows Roddy (and now this year DoJo and Stevenson to get some minutes at the 2). Also, Jet guards PGs far better than SGs for the most part. He is also a rather underrated passer, and I think he plays a lot better when he is looking to create for guys than playing the Steve Kerr role.
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10-13-2010, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kg_veteran
Haywood/Chandler - 48
Nowitzki 36 - Marion 12
Butler 35 - Marion 13
Beaubois 35 - Jones 13
Kidd 30 - Terry 18
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Given the current makeup of the roster, ^THIS^ is the only minute distribution I've seen that makes sense. Of course, as has been pointed out, Roddy's estimated minutes are nothing more than a hope. But if Roddy is not consistent enough to get 30+ minutes a game once he is fully healed, then the Mavs have to make a move at the trade deadline, because we will be going nowhere fast.
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10-15-2010, 04:08 PM
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122 votes on my MMB article on who should be the backup point guard between JJ and Jet: JJ has 66 votes to Jet's 56.
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