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FINtastic · 10-28-2010, 12:21 PM

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I can't believe my D-M team is only 3-4 with as many points as I score every week - PA's are killing me!

I think it's safe to say that my fantasy team plays better defense than yours.

fluid.forty.one · 10-28-2010, 01:14 PM

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I can't believe my D-M team is only 3-4 with as many points as I score every week - PA's are killing me!

haaa I'm 3-4 with my points only in the 700s :P

BGMaverick9 · 10-28-2010, 08:53 PM

I am protecting the house.

chumdawg · 10-29-2010, 03:40 PM

Seeking trade advice here.

I am rolling along pretty well in my big money league, in first place at 6-1. I have some roster concerns, though. Here is what I'm rolling with (standard roster, .5 PPR):

QB - Flacco / Fitzpatrick
RB - Chris Johnson / Arian Foster / LT / Jamaal Charles / Shonn Greene
WR - Miles Austin / Dez Bryant / Johnny Knox / Crabtree
TE - Witten / Zach Miller

Obviously I am flexing a RB every week. My WR2 spot is quite suspect, as may be WR1 now that Romo is down. I'm leaving Jamaal Charles on the bench every week, which is a shame (particularly with KC's upcoming schedule). So I'm looking to swap Charles or LT in a package to land a WR1 type of guy. I would also be willing to deal Austin, in the right package. (Previously I dealt Keller for Witten, thinking that Kitna will use the TE as the safety valve.)

The best offer I can currently get is Randy Moss, Davone Bess, and Santonio Holmes for Charles and Dez. I would like to get Hakeem Nicks, but the guy wants CJ or Foster.

Recommendations? I hate to leave Charles just sitting on the bench when maybe I could improve my WR corps, but maybe I should just keep my powder dry.

Underdog · 10-29-2010, 03:48 PM

Keeper league?

chumdawg · 10-29-2010, 03:52 PM

No keepers. Good question...I always forget that element.

Underdog · 10-29-2010, 04:52 PM

I wouldn't give up CJ or Foster for Nicks...

There's a good possibility that Kitna falls flat, so this could be sell-high time on Cowboys receivers... Even if he's up to the task, you already have the #1 receiving option in Miles Austin... Trading Dez and Charles (a guy you never use) totally makes sense.

It's really all about what kind of value you can get for that package.

Randy Moss is still Randy Moss, so he'll get his with or without Favre... Bess is more than solid in a PPR format, especially with Henne tossing the rock more... Whether or not Santonio Holmes returns to form is the x-factor in this trade...

But the problem I see is too many #2 options and not enough #1's - it's going to be hard to choose between Moss/Knox/Bess/Holmes most weeks, but at least one of them should pan out... The problem is, which one? And when?

Dez/Charles for Nicks certainly does get to the point from your perspective - Austin & Nicks would be a juicy pairing for a championship-bound team.

EDIT: what does his roster look like? CJ for Nicks might make sense as part of a bigger package...

chumdawg · 10-29-2010, 05:02 PM

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EDIT: what does his roster look like? CJ for Nicks might make sense as part of a bigger package...

Thanks for the thoughts. I think I'm on board with you about having too many #2's and not enough #1's. Here is his roster:

QB - Brees / Orton
RB - Joseph Addai / Thomas Jones / Michael Bush / Marion Barber / Brandon Jacobs
WR - Nicks / Brandon Lloyd / Steve Smith (CAR) / DeSean Jackson
TE - Kellen Winslow / Tony Gonzalez

He is tied for 5th/6th place, at 3-4. Previously this season he traded Megatron for Steve Smith and Jerome Harrison. (Who does that?)

ribosoma · 10-29-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Seeking trade advice here.

I am rolling along pretty well in my big money league, in first place at 6-1. I have some roster concerns, though. Here is what I'm rolling with (standard roster, .5 PPR):

QB - Flacco / Fitzpatrick
RB - Chris Johnson / Arian Foster / LT / Jamaal Charles / Shonn Greene
WR - Miles Austin / Dez Bryant / Johnny Knox / Crabtree
TE - Witten / Zach Miller

Obviously I am flexing a RB every week. My WR2 spot is quite suspect, as may be WR1 now that Romo is down. I'm leaving Jamaal Charles on the bench every week, which is a shame (particularly with KC's upcoming schedule). So I'm looking to swap Charles or LT in a package to land a WR1 type of guy. I would also be willing to deal Austin, in the right package. (Previously I dealt Keller for Witten, thinking that Kitna will use the TE as the safety valve.)

The best offer I can currently get is Randy Moss, Davone Bess, and Santonio Holmes for Charles and Dez. I would like to get Hakeem Nicks, but the guy wants CJ or Foster.

Recommendations? I hate to leave Charles just sitting on the bench when maybe I could improve my WR corps, but maybe I should just keep my powder dry.

The offer for Moss, Bess and Holmes sounds pretty good to me, but what do I know? I'm getting killed in our league

CadBane · 10-29-2010, 10:55 PM

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The offer for Moss, Bess and Holmes sounds pretty good to me, but what do I know? I'm getting killed in our league

That's a really good trade. Jamal Charles is a f'ing scrub. He gets a few token TDs, but Thomas Jones gets the bulk of the touches. You don't even need JC with Chris & Foster. You're 2nd and 3rd WRs suck ass, why would you even consider not doing this trade? Moss and Holmes automatically upgrade BOTH your 2nd and 3rd WR slots, while all you lose is a mediocre RB who you aren't even playing. What is this, the JJB fantasy lovers league? Christ.

chumdawg · 10-30-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

That's a really good trade. Jamal Charles is a f'ing scrub. He gets a few token TDs, but Thomas Jones gets the bulk of the touches. You don't even need JC with Chris & Foster. You're 2nd and 3rd WRs suck ass, why would you even consider not doing this trade? Moss and Holmes automatically upgrade BOTH your 2nd and 3rd WR slots, while all you lose is a mediocre RB who you aren't even playing. What is this, the JJB fantasy lovers league? Christ.

I apologize for not being more specific in my request. What I meant was to ask for advice from the fine people in this thread who do know what they are talking about when it comes to fantasy football. (Naturally, this would exclude those who think a Cutler/McNabb QB rotation is something to brag about.) I will be more careful next time.

Charles leads Jones in rushing yards, 489 to 461; receiving yards, 130 to 16; and catches, 12 to 3. Even you might know that Charles is far, far more efficient with his touches than is Jones. Those who pay attention to this kind of thing also know that Charles is seeing an increasing workload of late, including goal line carries. Oh, but you are right about one thing: Jones has a whopping lead in TD's, 3 to 2.

In short, Charles has good value. No, he is nowhere near a scrub. I could upgrade every opponent in my league by adding Charles to their RB corps. I'm just trying to get the right return.

CadBane · 10-30-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I apologize for not being more specific in my request. What I meant was to ask for advice from the fine people in this thread who do know what they are talking about when it comes to fantasy football. (Naturally, this would exclude those who think a Cutler/McNabb QB rotation is something to brag about.) I will be more careful next time.

Charles leads Jones in rushing yards, 489 to 461; receiving yards, 130 to 16; and catches, 12 to 3. Even you might know that Charles is far, far more efficient with his touches than is Jones. Those who pay attention to this kind of thing also know that Charles is seeing an increasing workload of late, including goal line carries. Oh, but you are right about one thing: Jones has a whopping lead in TD's, 3 to 2.

In short, Charles has good value. No, he is nowhere near a scrub. I could upgrade every opponent in my league by adding Charles to their RB corps. I'm just trying to get the right return.

Dumber by the day. I swear.

My team is 6-1, fyi. At the time I had them, Cutler/McNabb was a VERY good QB rotation. Now I have Fitzpatrick & Stafford. Fitzpatrick has been fantastic and I surmise Stafford will do quite well with the high powered Lions offense. Early in the season I picked up Brandon Lloyd and Kenny Britt off waivers. I traded Lance Moore for Javid Best. I don't think my fantasy prowess needs questioning.

As for Charles. Again, reading seems to not be your forte. I said Jones gets more TOUCHES.

For the season:

Jones: 99 Rushes
Charles: 81 Rushes

Hmmm....18 more carries. Can you count that high?

Charles is not that good. 2 TDs and one fumble, while not even leading his team in touches, is far far far from a top fantasy RB.

Moreover, if you aren't even using him, and you gain upgrades at WRs, why would you NOT do the trade?

chumdawg · 10-30-2010, 05:00 PM

You called Charles an effin' scrub, evidently for the reason that Jones has more touches to this point in the season. That's not guaranteed to continue, but even if it does, in my league we don't get any points for "carries from scrimmage." You get it? We do get points for catches, and as you know, Charles does a lot more than Jones in that regard.

Charles is a better commodity than "not that good." He ranks around #17 in my league for RB's. Ten-team league, so he's a borderline RB2 or a pretty solid flex option. Those, of course, are the numbers that matter, rather than how his touches compare to those of his backfield mate.

His upside, however, would rank much higher than #17 at RB. I know you know about upside, as I read your opinions in the Roddy/DoJo thread. So since that isn't the problem, then I hope you can see why I would question your FF acumen when you call JC an effin' scrub.

I don't mind hanging on to him, just in case A) something happens to one my other backs, B) something happens to Jones, or C) he starts going nuts, even if Jones stays healthy. But to your question, yes, I would like to trade him for an upgrade at WR. However, that wasn't really the question. The question was more like "Is this the right deal" rather than "Is this is a net-plus deal."

Underdog · 10-30-2010, 05:54 PM

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My team is 6-1, fyi.

Link?

fluid.forty.one · 10-30-2010, 06:10 PM

I'm not sure how admitting that you've already dropped both players helps your argument that they were good picks, but okay...

left texas · 10-31-2010, 02:18 AM

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Link?

Maybe he is talking about the Hardcore will Never Die league, which I am also 6-1.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 02:25 AM

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I'm not sure how admitting that you've already dropped both players helps your argument that they were good picks, but okay...

Well, McNabb is still a solid backup. But I saw Stafford on waivers so I gobbled him up. Cutler wasn't a great pick, but I concentrated on WRs and RBs early because they are mote crucial (got Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, and Michael Turner). Cutler was actually a top 5 Fantasy QB pre-concussion, so drafting him as late as I did was pretty good. However, the concussion has made him timid and the Bears O-Line is awful, so I had to cut him. I picked up Fitzpatrick 2 weeks before his huge outing, so I'd say that was rather sage.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 02:29 AM

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You called Charles an effin' scrub, evidently for the reason that Jones has more touches to this point in the season. That's not guaranteed to continue, but even if it does, in my league we don't get any points for "carries from scrimmage." You get it? We do get points for catches, and as you know, Charles does a lot more than Jones in that regard.

Charles is a better commodity than "not that good." He ranks around #17 in my league for RB's. Ten-team league, so he's a borderline RB2 or a pretty solid flex option. Those, of course, are the numbers that matter, rather than how his touches compare to those of his backfield mate.

His upside, however, would rank much higher than #17 at RB. I know you know about upside, as I read your opinions in the Roddy/DoJo thread. So since that isn't the problem, then I hope you can see why I would question your FF acumen when you call JC an effin' scrub.

I don't mind hanging on to him, just in case A) something happens to one my other backs, B) something happens to Jones, or C) he starts going nuts, even if Jones stays healthy. But to your question, yes, I would like to trade him for an upgrade at WR. However, that wasn't really the question. The question was more like "Is this the right deal" rather than "Is this is a net-plus deal."

Chum, dick measuring aside, just do the trade.

No, obviously touches aren't a fantasy credential. My point was that if the guy doesn't even get the most touches on his team, how effective can he be? Unless it's a Ten. situation of a few years ago where LenDale got all the TDs but CJ got all the touches, it's not going to be good. You don't need JC. Obviously "scrub" is hyperbole on my part, but he's not that good. And I think it's weird your league does catches. Mine, and most, are just yards and tds.

jthig32 · 10-31-2010, 09:58 AM

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Chum, dick measuring aside, just do the trade.

No, obviously touches aren't a fantasy credential. My point was that if the guy doesn't even get the most touches on his team, how effective can he be? Unless it's a Ten. situation of a few years ago where LenDale got all the TDs but CJ got all the touches, it's not going to be good. You don't need JC. Obviously "scrub" is hyperbole on my part, but he's not that good. And I think it's weird your league does catches. Mine, and most, are just yards and tds.

Tons and tons of fantasy leagues do PPR. It's not the standard format but it's hardly weird.

BGMaverick9 · 10-31-2010, 01:37 PM

Definite hyperbole...he has game-breaking speed and a threat in passing game as well as the run game.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Dumber by the day. I swear.

My team is 6-1, fyi. At the time I had them, Cutler/McNabb was a VERY good QB rotation. Now I have Fitzpatrick & Stafford. Fitzpatrick has been fantastic and I surmise Stafford will do quite well with the high powered Lions offense. Early in the season I picked up Brandon Lloyd and Kenny Britt off waivers. I traded Lance Moore for Javid Best. I don't think my fantasy prowess needs questioning.

Sounds like you play in a league full of idiots. Trading Moore for Jahvid Best isn't fantasy prowess, it's just fleecing a moron. At no point in the season has Moore for Best ever been a good trade.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 01:55 PM

Just thought it would be interesting to note that the effin' scrub has 125 total yards...in the first half. If Todd Haley ever comes to his senses and makes him the featured back, he is going to be fantasy gold down the stretch, just like last year.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 03:26 PM

Just thought it's interesting that the alleged clueless guy who picked up Matt Stafford and drafted Calvin Johnson got 7 touchdowns out of them today. And Charles big day is severely mitigated by a lack of pay dirt.

chumdawg · 10-31-2010, 03:45 PM

Severely mitigated, you say. Wow. I just don't understand where you are coming from. The guy rips off 230 yards from scrimmage, but that's "severely mitigated?" Mitigated from what, man?

BGMaverick9 · 10-31-2010, 03:47 PM

It's a total case of being greedy. I'll take that total and realize actual scoring was hard to come by in that game, especially by kickers.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 03:55 PM

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Severely mitigated, you say. Wow. I just don't understand where you are coming from. The guy rips off 230 yards from scrimmage, but that's "severely mitigated?" Mitigated from what, man?

No kidding, that's a great fantasy day by any account. Yes, it would have been nice to add a couple of touchdowns to that, but it's still a great fantasy day. There's no point to spinning it as anything else.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 03:58 PM

Obviously it's a career day. But he's not always going to run for that kind of yardage. However his lack of TDs is a trend (only 2 all year). Again, the point was that he's rotting on Chums bench behind two more viable options, thus I'd do the trade to upgrade the position that actually needs upgrading.

And crickets on Stafford I see....

BGMaverick9 · 10-31-2010, 04:10 PM

I'm not sure what you're looking for...?

Shaun Hill did pretty good in his stint replacing Stafford and Drew Stanton did ok too. It's obvious that Stafford > the backups. Washington has been terrible with their pass defense. Detroit is clearly better offensively than most people thought they would be this year.

He was likely dumped because people couldn't afford to wait for him to come back.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 04:17 PM

Exactly, I'm just saying it was a good pickup. The Lions are so money for FF. They have the best offense in the NFL and their scrub defense keeps it pushing.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 05:05 PM

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Obviously it's a career day. But he's not always going to run for that kind of yardage. However his lack of TDs is a trend (only 2 all year). Again, the point was that he's rotting on Chums bench behind two more viable options, thus I'd do the trade to upgrade the position that actually needs upgrading.

And crickets on Stafford I see....

How was that trade really an upgrade? Looks like Chum was giving up Charles and Dez for three sidegrades. Davone Bess might be an upgrade from Dez, but I'd have to take a close look at that scoring. Randy Moss has been incredibly average this year, he's playing for a team that's staring 2-5 in the face, and his quarterback options are a 41 year old on one leg and Tavaris Jackson. Santonio Holmes doesn't really excite me now that he's got Mark Sanchez at QB instead of Rapelisberger.

Honestly, Dez could very easily be better than all of those by the end of the season. I'm not sure if there is an upgrade in the trade. Maybe Bess. Maybe. I'd hold out on Charles and see if I can't get better a better trade (especially after Charles' explosion this week). And a good rule of thumb in fantasy is that any trade where you get more players than give up is almost always guaranteed to be crap.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 05:18 PM

You're insane if you think Dez gets more than 1 TD the rest of the year with Kitna.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 05:22 PM

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You're insane if you think Dez gets more than 1 TD the rest of the year with Kitna.

Um, why exactly? You do realize that he had two touchdowns in just a half with him last week, don't you?

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 05:26 PM

Yes. It was a different situation. High scoring, frantic comeback with soft prevent defense. Just watch from here on out. What do I know, I guess I'll just keep putting up 150 point weeks. Guys I've picked up off waivers this year: Stafford, Fitzpatrick, Lloyd, Britt, Steve Johnson, Addai, Dan Carpenter.

Take that for what it's worth.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 05:36 PM

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Yes. It was a different situation. High scoring, frantic comeback with soft prevent defense. Just watch from here on out. What do I know, I guess I'll just keep putting up 150 point weeks. Guys I've picked up off waivers this year: Stafford, Fitzpatrick, Lloyd, Britt, Steve Johnson, Addai, Dan Carpenter.

Take that for what it's worth.

Why do you have any reason to expect that Cowboys aren't ever going to be in the same situation again? The Cowboys are allowing a passer rating of 105.5 to opposing QBs. So I don't really know why you think they aren't going to spend most of the season playing catch-up from here on out. You did see how they just allowed David Garrard to throw as many touchdowns against them as incompletions, didn't you? Jon Kitna just threw for 379 yards because they spent all game trying to play catch-up against the Jags.

And no, I really don't care how lucky you have been picking guys off waivers. And what kind of league are you playing in? Why was Addai ever on waivers? Stafford was a pretty obvious pickup as well, I'm a little surprised that he was available, but congratulations on that one.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 05:47 PM

Addai is my backup. He wasn't very productive for the first few weeks. 10 team league. I'm pretty confident Stafford was available in your league 3 weeks ago too. Most people don't hold on to injured players, unless they're elite status. Luck has nothing to do with it.

Yeah the Cowgirls will still be playing catchup, but the games won't be close like the NY one. Look at Kitna today, 4 picks and 1 TD to his TE. Dez might get some padded yards, but not tds. We can revisit this in a few weeks.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 05:58 PM

There's some luck involved here. What kind of waiver wire system are you on? It doesn't look like you are on one at all here considering you seem to have had your pick of the litter at some fairly premium guys and have been in first all season along. Or you are playing with guys who aren't paying attention. Plus the waiver wire is a bit of a crap shoot, and you seem to be rolling sevens so far this season.

We need to get you in a D-M.com league next year. I want to see all of this fantasy prowess in action since apparently you claim this is all being done on skill.

jthig32 · 10-31-2010, 06:00 PM

Are we all done measuring our fantasy dicks yet? No? Ok.

FWIW, I definitely don't think Kitna looked bad enough today to backup the 1 TD proclamation. Three of the four TD's were the fault of the receiver.

But who knows, Cad might end up being right. It's all a crap shoot anyway.

FINtastic · 10-31-2010, 06:07 PM

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Yeah the Cowgirls will still be playing catchup, but the games won't be close like the NY one. Look at Kitna today, 4 picks and 1 TD to his TE. Dez might get some padded yards, but not tds. We can revisit this in a few weeks.

First of all, the New York game wasn't close when the Cowboys started their comeback. The Cowboys were down 18 points until Dez scored that first touchdown.

And like I said, three of those interceptions came because receivers batted up balls that hit them right in the hands. Regardless, Kitna will have plenty of time against those soft prevent defenses to rack up yards with the best receiving corps in the league, just like in the Giants game. And Dez is quickly gaining more and more opportunities in that receiving corps because he's a freakish talent. He had 7 catches for 84 yards today. Unless Moss has a late garbage time touchdown from Tavaris Jackson, Dez will have outperformed all three of those receivers today that you don't think he's any better than.

Again, those three are basically sidegrades from Dez.

CadBane · 10-31-2010, 06:38 PM

Sananta Moss is 5th in the NFL with 548 receiving yards. He has some 300 more receiving yards than Dez. How exactly is that a "sidegrade" ?

Moss has 3 more TDS and more yards than Dez. Again, how is that a sidegrade?

Bess has 100 more yards than Dez, and the same amount of TDs. Again, sidegrade?

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So we have three WRs who all have more fantasy points, some substantially so, than Dez Bryant, yet you call them "sidegrades". Hmm....

chumdawg · 10-31-2010, 06:51 PM

"Sananta" Moss? Oh, dear lord. I give up.