Roddy's prognosis and timetable return to hoop make good again

[Axilla]

i'm ready for roddy now

of course, i'm figuring that he's going to not take away from what we are doing

[Thomas86]

I didn't think Roddy was getting out of that boot untill December but I'm happy he's out of it now.

[mavs777]

mid december

[rabbitproof]

I think he is about a month away. With JET on fire, JJB playing better and Stevenson becoming a factor, there is even less incentive to bring him back quickly. Still, any way you can further reduce Kidd's minutes is important. Increasing the overall penetration game and team athleticism is also important so I can see dips in JET's and JJB's minutes as well.

Even with those minute reductions, it does become a crowded backcourt but I think it's good to have a stable of players who can "takeover" a game. There will be a handful of games that you should have lost on paper, either by big margins in free throws attempts or rebounding or turnovers, but still won become someone had a gonzo night (ridiculous percentages, loads of threes, tons of FTs). Superstars have maybe about five of those a year. Good players have maybe two-three. Currently, the Mavs only have Dirk and JET who can do that. Butler may have the rep, but likely no longer the can do, and JKidd is an orchestrator. Everybody else is a clog in the machina. Roddy.... well, he gives us extra gonzo power.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I think he is about a month away. With JET on fire, JJB playing better and Stevenson becoming a factor, there is even less incentive to bring him back quickly. Still, any way you can further reduce Kidd's minutes is important. Increasing the overall penetration game and team athleticism is also important so I can see dips in JET's and JJB's minutes as well.

Even with those minute reductions, it does become a crowded backcourt but I think it's good to have a stable of players who can "takeover" a game. There will be a handful of games that you should have lost on paper, either by big margins in free throws attempts or rebounding or turnovers, but still won become someone had a gonzo night (ridiculous percentages, loads of threes, tons of FTs). Superstars have maybe about five of those a year. Good players have maybe two-three. Currently, the Mavs only have Dirk and JET who can do that. Butler may have the rep, but likely no longer the can do, and JKidd is an orchestrator. Everybody else is a clog in the machina. Roddy.... well, he gives us extra gonzo power.

You allow Kidd to sit more, his minutes will take off in quality. Take him down to about 28-30, he will pick up a few triple doubles.

[rabbitproof]

KK,
Not sure about triple-doubles (he's only averaging 3.8 boards this year) but double doubles for sure. He's doing 10 assists a game and it might dip slightly but I'd actually expect it to hold or improve with Roddy's return. Always helps to add a dynamo high-flying speedy scorer to the mix.

His points are about a point off but his percentages are poor this year. I can see that improving with more rest and more firepower elsewhere on the court. I can see some triple doubles if his minutes yo-yo a lot (36 minutes one night, 20 the next) but if it's steady cruising at 28-30, I think it'll be harder.

[dude1394]

[quote=rabbitproof;1124479Everybody else is a clog in the machina. .[/quote]

Eeek...to many "clogs" in the machine is bad.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

KK,
Not sure about triple-doubles (he's only averaging 3.8 boards this year) but double doubles for sure. He's doing 10 assists a game and it might dip slightly but I'd actually expect it to hold or improve with Roddy's return. Always helps to add a dynamo high-flying speedy scorer to the mix.

His points are about a point off but his percentages are poor this year. I can see that improving with more rest and more firepower elsewhere on the court. I can see some triple doubles if his minutes yo-yo a lot (36 minutes one night, 20 the next) but if it's steady cruising at 28-30, I think it'll be harder.

If he knows he has less to go, he will push the gas pedal, if he knows he's going 40, he'll run at a marathon pace.

[rabbitproof]

Even with an uptick in pace, I don't see him hitting the double-digit board mark easily. The triple double is arbitrary anyhow. I'd be as happy with a 10/13/5 type night from him as a 10/10/10 as long as he's shooting a good clip and making things happen elsewhere (steals, low TOs).

I'd love to see JKidd at the 28MPG mark though.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Even with an uptick in pace, I don't see him hitting the double-digit board mark easily. The triple double is arbitrary anyhow. I'd be as happy with a 10/13/5 type night from him as a 10/10/10 as long as he's shooting a good clip and making things happen elsewhere (steals, low TOs).

I'd love to see JKidd at the 28MPG mark though.

he seems to be making some uncharacteristically poor decisions with the ball this season. is it just me?

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by mac222b

he seems to be making some uncharacteristically poor decisions with the ball this season. is it just me?

Both him and Dirk have been turnover machines this year. I think the emphasis on pushing the ball has a lot to do with it.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Both him and Dirk have been turnover machines this year. I think the emphasis on pushing the ball has a lot to do with it.

Don't know why were talking JKIDD and Dirk in a Roddy thread but I'll chime in.

I'm not sure if its a cause for alarm, but Dirk's turnovers and free throw shooting aren't up to Dirk standards so far.

I think I've seen Dirk miss more free throws in these first 9 games than I have seen him play in the last 9 years.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mac222b

he seems to be making some uncharacteristically poor decisions with the ball this season. is it just me?

I think everyone got lob-happy to start the season and it went way overboard. The last few games that coincide with the win streak have been more like what you would expect.

3,2,2...and he's still below his career to rate. I think it's been an anomaly.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I think everyone got lob-happy to start the season and it went way overboard. The last few games that coincide with the win streak have been more like what you would expect.

3,2,2...and he's still below his career to rate. I think it's been an anomaly.

That is true about the lob-happy start this year. But when Kidd threw the lob for Roddy, I can't remembering it not working. Hell, they even used the "Roddy lob" as a decoy to get Dirk an open jumper on a few occasions.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by Rick41

Don't know why were talking JKIDD and Dirk in a Roddy thread but I'll chime in.

I'm not sure if its a cause for alarm, but Dirk's turnovers and free throw shooting aren't up to Dirk standards so far.

I think I've seen Dirk miss more free throws in these first 9 games than I have seen him play in the last 9 years.

I blame the free throw shooting on him being distracted. He seems to be more giddy this year than he has ever been, especially compared to last year. I think he really likes his teammates.

The turnover thing is mind boggling but expected since he is being forced to go right instead of left. He is receiving a lot more aggressive double teams at the high post because teams are no longer guarding Kidd a la the Spurs series. Dirk is receiving the ball 20 feet from the basket and Kidd is usually perched 3 feet away in the back to the left/right. Since defenses know Kidd isn't going to drive the ball, they aren't respecting what little space there is between Kidd and Dirk. Kidd doesn't make 3 pointers when someone at least puts a hand up. That is why the team is a little more successful offensively when JJB is paired with Dirk and Jason.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Both him and Dirk have been turnover machines this year. I think the emphasis on pushing the ball has a lot to do with it.

Perception is a powerful thing. J-Kidd is averaging 2.56 turnovers per game so far this season, which is below his career average of 3.08 turnovers per game. Last season, he had 2.44 turnovers per game. This year's and last year's numbers are pretty much identical and hardly those of a "turnover machine". Dirk, however, has been having trouble in this area thus far.