Please turn off all cell phones and Peja's - Mavs to look at Stojakovic? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

thereaper · 01-20-2011, 01:40 PM

I love the insider info Fish is delivering with his new premiu....err...

Oh.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6041580

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The Toronto Raptors and Peja Stojakovic are close to completing a buyout that will put the former All-Star sharpshooter on the open market, according to sources close to the situation.

The deal is expected to be completed later Thursday, sources said.

The Raptors publicly acknowledged almost immediately after acquiring Stojakovic from New Orleans that a buyout would considered if no follow-up trade could be swung. But the Raptors, reluctant take on long-term salary, were unlikely to find a workable trade, with Stojakovic earning $15 million in the final season of an original five-year deal he signed with the Hornets in the summer of 2006.

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that Stojakovic is determined to return to the Western Conference and join a playoff contender once he clear waivers and becomes a free agent, with three teams at the top of his list: Dallas, New Orleans and the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Mavericks, sources say, are considered the favorite to land Stojakovic. They have minutes to offer at small forward and a well-chronicled need for perimeter shooting. And joining the Mavericks would enable Stojakovic to live within short flying distance of his wife and children, who remained in New Orleans after he was dealt to the Raptors.

Both the Mavericks and the Lakers have a need on the wing thanks to injuries, with Dallas losing Caron Butler to a season-ending knee tear and the Lakers losing newcomer Matt Barnes for two months to a knee injury.

Stojakovic made three All-Star appearances as a member of the Sacramento Kings and sports a career success rate of 40.1 percent from 3-point range. He's been plagued by knee trouble this season and has only appeared in two games for the Raptors, but he did leave an impression on the Mavericks by scoring 17 points in 19 minutes in Dallas on Nov. 15, just days before New Orleans sent the 33-year-old and Jerryd Bayless to Toronto for Jarrett Jack, Marcus Banks and David Andersen.

Stojakovic forfeited roughly $440,000 from a trade bonus in his contract to make the salary-cap math work in the deal that sent him to Toronto.

So would he start at the 3?

sefant77 · 01-20-2011, 01:44 PM

Peja sucks ass since he was with the Hornets

He is done. Slow. No defense WHATSOEVER...

CATCH-17 · 01-20-2011, 01:49 PM

Get him and Tayshaun.

Mav Addict · 01-20-2011, 01:53 PM

I would rather just keep Sasha at that position...at least he seems semi mobile

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 01:55 PM

He can still score, 8 PPG in 14 minutes per game, I wouldn't mind it he would in a way be our "Tim Thomas of last year" if we can't make anything we could try to see if he can get hot

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 01:58 PM

Its funny with Peja are we the most foreign team assuming Polovich stays?

Peja Yugoslavia
Palovich Yugoslavia
Dirk Germany
Ajinca France
JJB Puerto Rico
Roddy France
Mahimi France

LonghornDub · 01-20-2011, 02:00 PM

Long as Rick is smart with when he plays him, I don't see any problem with this at all. Could be a shrewd move.

Still think we need a trade, though.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Long as Rick is smart with when he plays him, I don't see any problem with this at all. Could be a shrewd move.

Still think we need a trade, though.

Definitely

SMC0007 · 01-20-2011, 02:03 PM

Could be a nice small move. As far THE help we need offensively...meh

CATCH-17 · 01-20-2011, 02:04 PM

LA seems like a better fit though because they are better at collapsing a defense and leaving him wide open.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CATCH-17

LA seems like a better fit though because they are better at collapsing a defense and leaving him wide open.

Yeah but Phil has a man crush on Artest

Rhylan · 01-20-2011, 02:07 PM

He never played any D in his whole life except against Dirk. But this is the kind of bench signing that championship contenders make. He sure 3-whipped the Mavs earlier this year. So he's still very useful against teams who like to forget to rotate to shooters.

I kinda like what we're seeing out of Sasha at the moment, but you have to remain realistic that there was a reason he wasn't in the league at the start of the year. Peja, even as slow as he is now, is still a better all around talent. And he's a shooter with size. So assuming Rickster continues with Jet/Marion off the bench and the Mavs don't make a trade for someone who's an obvious starting 3, Peja probably would find himself in that slot.

His minutes wouldn't have to be all that high.. I do think there's something to be said about a real floor-spacing shooter on the floor to start the game w/ Dirk, Kidd, Chandler and DeShawn.

20 minutes a game or less, and you've got something to work with.

I expect him to land back with the Hornets, though.

dalmations202 · 01-20-2011, 02:10 PM

I think Peja could be the perfect backup for Dirk. He might be able to play some SF as well, although he doesn't have the lateral quickness for some guys.

I think it would be a pretty good move though.

IMO, Peja is somewhat of a mini-Dirk anyway. Sweet touch, avg D (although Dirk has improved dramatically at D, so I really shouldn't compare the D). I can see Peja doing many of the things Dirk does when he is on the court. In fact, I am not sure there is another BIG that compares to the game that Dirk has any better - maybe Gallinari, maybe Yi, maybe Rashard Lewis. Being 6'10" or taller and having that kind of range though is crazy.

bernardos70 · 01-20-2011, 02:10 PM

Peja can still shoot. He was never accused of being quick, but he is extremely slow now. I wouldn't oppose it. Can never have too many long range specialists.

Remember when some people (very few, I'll give you that) brought up the argument that Peja was in the running for best European player in the NBA to never play college in the US? He wasn't even close.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

I think Peja could be the perfect backup for Dirk. He might be able to play some SF as well, although he doesn't have the lateral quickness for some guys.

I think it would be a pretty good move though.

IMO, Peja is somewhat of a mini-Dirk anyway. Sweet touch, avg D (although Dirk has improved dramatically at D, so I really shouldn't compare the D). I can see Peja doing many of the things Dirk does when he is on the court. In fact, I am not sure there is another BIG that compares to the game that Dirk has any better - maybe Gallinari, maybe Yi, maybe Rashard Lewis. Being 6'10" or taller and having that kind of range though is crazy.

There is this guy in Toronto with ridiculous range

tcat075 · 01-20-2011, 02:17 PM

Since we just resigned Pavlovic for another 10 days, aren't we full on roster spots? Where's the extra one going to come from? Is Ajinca going to get dealt?

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Since we just resigned Pavlovic for another 10 days, aren't we full on roster spots? Where's the extra one going to come from? Is Ajinca going to get dealt?

BTW the title needs to change no where does it says Mavs are going to pick up Stojakovich, just that that they are the leaders.

As for where Roster stop comes from Dojo isn't getting minutes, he could go back down to the D League I would guess

I doubt we would cut Cardinal, who knows

EricaLubarsky · 01-20-2011, 02:21 PM

Thread title is deceiving. Saying we are in the top-3 for a guy we don't even have space on the roster for...well, its far from a lock

this deal is not imminent or even guaranteed

jthig32 · 01-20-2011, 02:33 PM

Having a guy on a ten day contract would hardly prevent the Mavs from signing someone that they felt would help.

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Having a guy on a ten day contract would hardly prevent the Mavs from signing someone that they felt would help.

This, 10 days contracts can basically be extinguished easily and with little blow-back in terms of a financial hit.

Male30Dan · 01-20-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

This, 10 days contracts can basically be extinguished easily and with little blow-back in terms of a financial hit.

He is much preferred over several players on the roster and I don't think fitting him in will be a problem in the slightest if he chooses to come here.

tcat075 · 01-20-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Having a guy on a ten day contract would hardly prevent the Mavs from signing someone that they felt would help.

Yeah, I understand that. I was initially confused why the Mavericks would have even signed Pavlovic if they already knew Peja was being bought out (perhaps they didn't, which is why) and it basically being a done deal that we would get him, but now I see people not quite so sure that he'll end up here, or at least they aren't calling it a lock anymore.

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2011, 02:55 PM

It makes sense that Peja would be interested in the Mavs, and it makes sense that the Mavs would want to take a close look at Peja. *If* his knee problems are behind him, he'd be a solid - not ideal, but solid - addition. Just have to trust that the Mavs will do their homework on the health front.

And it never hurts to have legitimate options on the free agent market (or the roster if it comes to that) to provide a little extra leverage in trade discussions.

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

It makes sense that Peja would be interested in the Mavs, and it makes sense that the Mavs would want to take a close look at Peja. *If* his knee problems are behind him, he'd be a solid - not ideal, but solid - addition. Just have to trust that the Mavs will do their homework on the health front.

And it never hurts to have legitimate options on the free agent market (or the roster if it comes to that) to provide a little extra leverage in trade discussions.

If the Mavs were to sign Peja, it definitely would be added salary in a package if they went for Melo...I'm not sure if there would be immediate restrictions on that if he were signed the rest of the way.

I still have a feeling New Orleans will swoop in, they've got the same financial assets the Mavs do, if I remember correctly.

Rhylan · 01-20-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Yeah, I understand that. I was initially confused why the Mavericks would have even signed Pavlovic if they already knew Peja was being bought out (perhaps they didn't, which is why) and it basically being a done deal that we would get him, but now I see people not quite so sure that he'll end up here, or at least they aren't calling it a lock anymore.

Nobody has called it a lock except for the person who very haphazardly titled this thread initially.

Rhylan · 01-20-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If the Mavs were to sign Peja, it definitely would be added salary in a package if they went for Melo...I'm not sure if there would be immediate restrictions on that if he were signed the rest of the way.

I still have a feeling New Orleans will swoop in, they've got the same financial assets the Mavs do, if I remember correctly.

Anybody the Mavs sign would not be able to be traded. You have to wait three months or until 12/15, whichever is later. In this case, three months is past the trade deadline.

I also assume the Hornets might offer him a piece of the MLE to come back "home" and that'll be that.

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Anybody the Mavs sign would not be able to be traded. You have to wait three months or until 12/15, whichever is later. In this case, three months is past the trade deadline.

I also assume the Hornets might offer him a piece of the MLE to come back "home" and that'll be that.

Thanks, wasn't sure...

Stein saying that the Mavs are considered to be the favorite makes it interesting though. That definitely would indicate that Peja views the Mavericks as a better chance to contend.

Underdog · 01-20-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Peja sucks ass since he was with the Hornets

He is done.

Just like Chandler?

Kidd Karma · 01-20-2011, 03:13 PM

It's a minutes thing, to show his wares to earn another contract.

But I can't see the guy playing more than 24 a night. Marion would still get the start at the 3. If brass doesn't view this as IT, then I'm all for it. The guy would spread the floor and open things up in the paint.

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

It's a minutes thing, to show his wares to earn another contract.

But I can't see the guy playing more than 24 a night. Marion would still get the start at the 3. If brass doesn't view this as IT, then I'm all for it. The guy would spread the floor and open things up in the paint.

Marion didn't start last night...
The team loves Jet and Marion together off of the bench. It could be like a Stevenson starter role earlier in the year.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 03:19 PM

This would also mean less of three guard lineup =)

Underdog · 01-20-2011, 03:20 PM

So what would Stojakovic cost us?

EricaLubarsky · 01-20-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So what would Stojakovic cost us?

probably a part of the MLE we still have

maybe vet minimum but he may want a little more

BGMaverick9 · 01-20-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

probably a part of the MLE we still have

maybe vet minimum but he may want a little more

at this point, it's pro-rated...I'm doubting that he'll go for just the vet, but isn't that basically tied to Cardinal now or does his stuff dip into the MLE?

SMC0007 · 01-20-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If the Mavs were to sign Peja, it definitely would be added salary in a package if they went for Melo...I'm not sure if there would be immediate restrictions on that if he were signed the rest of the way.

I still have a feeling New Orleans will swoop in, they've got the same financial assets the Mavs do, if I remember correctly.

They just need to stay the hell away from Melo.

Kidd Karma · 01-20-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So what would Stojakovic cost us?

As low as the prorated vet minimum or as high as the MLE that we have left.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

They just need to stay the hell away from Melo.

Yeah we need to rely on Jet in the playoffs, that always works out great

Kidd Karma · 01-20-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

at this point, it's pro-rated...I'm doubting that he'll go for just the vet, but isn't that basically tied to Cardinal now or does his stuff dip into the MLE?

Nope, Cardinal's on a vet minimum. You can have a roster full of vet minimums, pretty sure Miami's loaded with at least 7-8 of them.

It's either going to be the vet minimum or the MLE, which could be sliced up.

EricaLubarsky · 01-20-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

at this point, it's pro-rated...I'm doubting that he'll go for just the vet, but isn't that basically tied to Cardinal now or does his stuff dip into the MLE?

Im pretty sure Cardinal is on the vet min, so we'd have the full (although prorated) MLE to offer, which is as good as any of the three teams mentioned.

mavs777 · 01-20-2011, 03:34 PM

how much is vet minimum? like 600 k or something? got to guess Peja will get more than that