Doesn't look like Rudy will play a game with the Mavs - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 05:52 PM

Stein just confirmed: Rudy and Brewer to Denver for a future second-round pick.

grndmstr_c · 12-13-2011, 05:52 PM

Apparently only getting a future 2nd, per Stein. No leverage, I guess.

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 05:55 PM

May be fruitless, but they should call up D-Steve and see what he'd think about a one-year deal (again).

Quetzalcoatl · 12-13-2011, 05:56 PM

¿Only a second round pick?

j0Shi · 12-13-2011, 05:57 PM

Ugh ... they take this flexibility thing really serious.

Rick41 · 12-13-2011, 05:59 PM

Smh on trading Corey...

BGMaverick9 · 12-13-2011, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Ugh ... they take this flexibility thing really serious.

That and probably a little more...waiting to hear some more information from my peeps, but it really didn't sound like Brewer had a chance here.

mavs777 · 12-13-2011, 05:59 PM

so we basically trade a late first round pick and brewer for a second rounder...

LSMF · 12-13-2011, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick41

Smh on trading Corey...

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavs777

so we basically trade a late first round pick and brewer for a second rounder...

With a substantially different CBA being ratified in between. That's the important part.

dalger · 12-13-2011, 06:01 PM

Hmm, I'm not quite sure I see the use in giving away Brewer at this point unless it puts us under the luxury tax line. It seems weird to give these two guys away for what appears to be basically nothing. Then again, who knows what Cubes and Donnie have in mind. It must be something...

grndmstr_c · 12-13-2011, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That and probably a little more...waiting to hear some more information from my peeps, but it really didn't sound like Brewer had a chance here.

I assume you mean a chance at minutes?

Stein seems to think Mavs might still be looking for a vet min guy or two, and basically confirms cap space next year was a primary motivation for making the swap.

mavs777 · 12-13-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

With a substantially different CBA being ratified in between. That's the important part.

It really isn't considering that was known at the time of the NBA draft.

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Mavs: Vet-laden, win-now team that just added Odom/Vinsanity/Delonte. They also want Roddy B back in mix. So Brewer PT likely limited again

Add this to wanting a bit more cap space for 2012 (Brewer had another year left on his deal), and it makes pretty good sense. Although I don't like to lose him. He had potential.

muzak · 12-13-2011, 06:03 PM

So we essentially trade away a 1st rounder in Jordan Hamilton; and Brewer, who was a lottery pick, for a future 2nd rounder (i.e. nothing)??? Front office fail on this one.

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavs777

It really isn't considering that was known at the time of the NBA draft.

You are undoubtedly correct that the terms of the new CBA were known at the time of the draft. The five-month lockout was a mirage.

sefant77 · 12-13-2011, 06:05 PM

Meh, just a 2nd rounder. Too cheap.

But yeah, Brewer with 3.4M next season was the problem....

mavs777 · 12-13-2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

With a substantially different CBA being ratified in between. That's the important part.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

You are undoubtedly correct that the terms of the new CBA were known at the time of the draft. The five-month lockout was a mirage.

The basic principles of the lockout and the deal to come was extremely easy to predict. So yeah, front office fail.

Kidd Karma · 12-13-2011, 06:06 PM

Geez, hopefully we've found a center target for the trade exception, would be nice if it's one trade, thus a 4-5 million trade exception.

sefant77 · 12-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Bring back Stevenson.

4M/1y or smaller deal over 2-3 years with team options.

j0Shi · 12-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Plus they gamble on Roddy. Maybe he has left a really good impression on the first days of camp, but I doubt we can compete with a backcourt of Kidd, Vince, West and Terry. We need that Puerto Rican style of play

muzak · 12-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Add this to wanting a bit more cap space for 2012 (Brewer had another year left on his deal), and it makes pretty good sense. Although I don't like to lose him. He had potential.

3MM in extra cap space next year hardly seems worth getting bent over to me. That's a bargain. Look what JJ Barea is set to make...

Jon Avalon · 12-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by @ESPNSteinLine

As much as they liked Brewer, Mavs' thinking is they can now sign two more vets on one-year deals while opening up a little more 2012 space

Hmmmmm, so who do you guys think we can pick up?

I'm liking the idea of DSteve as said above.

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavs777

The basic principles of the lockout and the deal to come was extremely easy to predict. So yeah, front office fail.

Man...you are just....

...there's no tactful way for me to finish that sentence.

rabbitproof · 12-13-2011, 06:09 PM

Not sure if we could've done better (probablyyyyyyyyyy...) but atleast the Mavs get to move on now and look for vets as opposed to doing it a day before the season starts.

D-Steve... and who else? A center?

grndmstr_c · 12-13-2011, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muzak

So we essentially trade away a 1st rounder in Jordan Hamilton; and Brewer, who was a lottery pick, for a future 2nd rounder (i.e. nothing)??? Front office fail on this one.

The Rudy gamble obviously didn't work out. Fair to call that one a failure. As for Corey, though, the Mavs gave up nothing to get him last year, and I tend to think losing him is really just the hidden cost of acquiring Lamar Odom. All together, I look at it this way. Mavs took a chance on Rudy and it cost them a first rounder. They also effectively swapped Corey and a 1st for Odom and a couple second rounders. Still a big win there.

Rick41 · 12-13-2011, 06:09 PM

Looking like they're taking this cap space flexibility seriously, the front office must believe they have a real good shot at Deron or Dwight.

iella · 12-13-2011, 06:10 PM

twitters

Quote:

Originally Posted by @sluhm

Everything Dallas is doing reinforces long-held opinion that D-Will, Dwight Howard will end up with the Mavs in 2012.

No idea whose long-held opinion this is, but I'm down.

BGMaverick9 · 12-13-2011, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I assume you mean a chance at minutes?

Stein seems to think Mavs might still be looking for a vet min guy or two, and basically confirms cap space next year was a primary motivation for making the swap.

The cap space goal is definitely a reason for the move. Rudy wasn't going to be thrilled with the situation he was walking into. As for Brewer, what I'm hearing is with everyone on board, it's hard to see him getting time due to more confidence in what else is around him as options.

Another issue is the depth stunts the progress of guys like Brewer and Roddy.

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muzak

3MM in extra cap space next year hardly seems worth getting bent over to me. That's a bargain. Look what JJ Barea is set to make...

First, 3MM in extra cap space can absolutely be huge when you're talking about trying to potentially sign two max-level FAs next year.

Second, here's a general rule: you can never be "bent over" in any scenario where the players you are giving up are Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer. You trade them for a Big Mac and no fries....yeah, that's a bad trade, but you're not getting "bent over." They're Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer, ok?

BGMaverick9 · 12-13-2011, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

First, 3MM in extra cap space can absolutely be huge when you're talking about trying to potentially sign two max-level FAs next year.

Second, here's a general rule: you can never be "bent over" in any scenario where the players you are giving up are Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer. You trade them for a Big Mac and no fries....yeah, that's a bad trade, but you're not getting "bent over." They're Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer, ok?

Thanks, I'm now hungry.

muzak · 12-13-2011, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The Rudy gamble obviously didn't work out. Fair to call that one a failure. As for Corey, though, the Mavs gave up nothing to get him last year, and I tend to think losing him is really just the hidden cost of acquiring Lamar Odom. All together, I look at it this way. Mavs took a chance on Rudy and it cost them a first rounder. They also effectively swapped Corey and a 1st for Odom and a couple second rounders. Still a big win there.

This much is true. And I also agree with whomever said that Brewer was erratic on the court. He sure is. But, man, I'd like to have Hamilton in hindsight of all this. I know there was no guarantees there either, but now we get nothing.

twistaeffect2004 · 12-13-2011, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick41

Looking like they're taking this cap space flexibility seriously, the front office must believe they have a real good shot at Deron or Dwight.

Or both.

rabbitproof · 12-13-2011, 06:15 PM

So what does that do for our cap picture next year?

No Rudy option, no Brewer. I see Dirk, Wood, Marion on the books. Options for Roddy and DoJo.

20+8+8+3ish = 39ish. If we can move either/amnesty Wood or Marion, we have enough for two near maxes at 31ish. Bron, Bosh and Wade all took less to join forces. Could also renego with Dirk, too.

j0Shi · 12-13-2011, 06:15 PM

I'd really like to see Roddy slipping in the Barea-role and West in Stevenson's, but knowing the Mavs FO, there will be another veteran guard around sooner or later, maybe even Stevenson himself.

Popeye · 12-13-2011, 06:16 PM

Mavs didn't know they'd add Vince Carter and Odom when they signed Brewer. No sense in paying Salary + LT for a guy that won't see the court.

sefant77 · 12-13-2011, 06:16 PM

Well, Denver is on the beginning of the rebuilding process, so they are sitting anyway pretty tight on their 1st...

muzak · 12-13-2011, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

First, 3MM in extra cap space can absolutely be huge when you're talking about trying to potentially sign two max-level FAs next year.

Second, here's a general rule: you can never be "bent over" in any scenario where the players you are giving up are Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer. You trade them for a Big Mac and no fries....yeah, that's a bad trade, but you're not getting "bent over." They're Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer, ok?

We'll see. I keep going back to Jordan Hamilton, though. I never liked the Rudy deal to begin with. I hope you're right, but I don't even see DWill or Howard here next year. DWill said he wants to stay in NJ and you know Howard wants to go where he is.

sefant77 · 12-13-2011, 06:18 PM

If Jones doesnt pick up his game i see him getting dumped for an expiring...another 1.3M gone next summer

LonghornDub · 12-13-2011, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popeye

Mavs didn't know they'd add Vince Carter and Odom when they signed Brewer. No sense in paying Salary + LT for a guy that won't see the court.

Much like the terms of the new CBA, obtaining Lamar Odom was reasonably foreseeable when the Mavs traded future all-NBA first-teamer Jordan Hamilton. 'Front office fail."