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jthig32 · 07-15-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

I like the idea of getting Scola in part because we have 2 front court guys with frequent injuries in their histories. We also have a high value guy in Wright. We are paying him less than 1 million but he's playing like he's worth 3 or 4. Scola is still the better player, but I think Wright is the kind of guy who could get teams to take DoJo's 2.2 million or Roddy's 3.3 million in exchange for a very good shooting guard. I'd hate to lose him, but if we can get a better than average 2 out of the deal, this team could really make some noise.

Dojo's number for next year that you cited is a team option. And I think we'd all obviously be shocked if they picked that up.

And I'd also be pretty shocked if it took BWright for someone to take Roddy's one year contract next off season.

Murphy3 · 07-15-2012, 10:54 AM

Obviously, my lineup wasn't serious. However, I suppose going with Scola isn't a bad option if you're unable to pick up a SG.

LonghornDub · 07-15-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yeah, I'm not going to throw a fit if they bid and claim him. Although I'm a little more set in my opinion than I was yesterday. I'll always wonder what they could've done at SG if they get him and just sign Delonte.

Delonte plus a decent two and I'd be quite content....

Murphy3 · 07-15-2012, 10:58 AM

As would I..

dude1394 · 07-15-2012, 11:08 AM

Scola would be a really good dirk backup, much better than wright (can't shoot), but it would seem pretty crowded with kaman/brand taking all of the center minutes. You might get kaman/brand to really challenge shots and play balls to the wall ( is that acceptable? ) so that their minutes are reduced and you have Scola entirely backing up the dirkster.

He would be a really nice luxury but some shooters seems to be a bigger need.

Murphy3 · 07-15-2012, 11:25 AM

I just don't see how there's enough minutes unless you're going to go with 3 bigs from time to time (5 minutes a game or so). That would really be the only option that I can see. Dirk will surely get at 32-33 minutes. 24 for Brand, 24 for Kaman, 24 for Scola.
That would get you up to 105 minutes. Everyone would be able to stay relatively fresh. Obviously, those minutes would be helped out by injuries.. could get away with 5 minutes a game with 3 bigs playing with the rest of the per game minutes being covered by injuries. Most of them are old.. they would all likely miss a handful of games.

It could work. However, you have to decide that it's the way you want to go. You'd be building up an awfully nice asset pool.. An asset pool of guys that can actually play, not just expiring and/or cheap contracts. And you'd probably also have to come to the conclusion that there's no one out there that you want to pick up at the SG spot with the money that you'd need for Scola.

Even at that, I still think there's some better options out there.

xrobx · 07-15-2012, 12:00 PM

When you pick up guys with injury histories like Brand and Kaman, you need a backup plan. I say bring him in.

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 07-15-2012, 12:49 PM

Lets say we signed Scola and Aaron Brooks how would our lineup shake out?

clutch#41 · 07-15-2012, 12:51 PM

i dont want scola, id rather give PT to Wright!

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 07-15-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

i dont want scola, id rather give PT to Wright!

Huh? Wright already is losing PT with the Kaman and Brand signings, Scola is a PF

clutch#41 · 07-15-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale4Saul2Red0

Huh? Wright already is losing PT with the Kaman and Brand signings, Scola is a PF

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Kante · 07-15-2012, 01:42 PM

Tough to post just the pic it seems...

As expected:

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Source: #Cavs put a bid on Luis Scola

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/clevel...cavs-mavericks

LonghornDub · 07-15-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Tough to post just the pic it seems...

As expected:

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/clevel...cavs-mavericks

I'm glad. Regardless of whether the Mavs get him, I was really hoping somebody would bid. Seeing him go to SA for chump change would have hurt.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 02:09 PM

Is today when they announce the winning bid? I hope Cleveland or Charlotte get him.

I don't see Scola playing anything but PF. There is no a big lineup, big enough to have him playing SF. Can you imagine Scola dribbling around the perimeter or trying to guard the average SF? There is no a small lineup, small enough to have him playing Center. Name one starting center in the league not licking his chops at that thought?

I really don't know how many minutes Scola played as SF or Center just my eye test.

All consider, If he falls in our lap, i will not be that disappoint

Budapest Maverick · 07-15-2012, 02:16 PM

On offense, Scola could easily play the center position. On defense, it's obviously a little more tricky, but he could play with Kaman on the floor, or even with Dirk, Dirk can guard any center not named Bynum, Howard, or Pekovic. He would be a great depth addition (him and Brand could play 24-24 minutes, keeping Dirk and Kaman's minutes around 30), no to mention, a very good asset. I hope we get him too.

Kante · 07-15-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Is today when they announce the winning bid? I hope Cleveland or Charlotte get him.

Yep, around 5pm ET we know who gets him. Or maybe earlier per twitter.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

On offense, Scole could easily play the center position. On defense, it's obviously a little more tricky, but he could play with Kaman on the floor, or even with Dirk, Dirk can guard any center not named Bynum, Howard, or Pekovic. He would be a great depth addition (him and Brand could play 24-24 minutes, keeping Dirk and Kaman's minutes around 30), no to mention, a very good asset. I hope we get him too.

IMO Dirk and Scola on defense will not be fun and why shift the burden in defense to Dirk...He should be able to coast as much as possible on defense guarding the opposite offensively challenge 4/5.

Looking as his minutes distribution the last 3 years he played center in occasions maybe RC will find a way to get him some minutes there

quietsavant · 07-15-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

On offense, Scola could easily play the center position. On defense, it's obviously a little more tricky, but he could play with Kaman on the floor, or even with Dirk, Dirk can guard any center not named Bynum, Howard, or Pekovic. He would be a great depth addition (him and Brand could play 24-24 minutes, keeping Dirk and Kaman's minutes around 30), no to mention, a very good asset. I hope we get him too.

For those against the Scola pickup, Against s team that plays PF/C with little to no low post game like OKC : (Ibaka, Collison, Perk) he could easily play along side dirk, kaman or Brand. Talent first, worry about the scheme later. That's carlisle's job. I hope we snag him.

quietsavant · 07-15-2012, 02:41 PM

Guys with a post game in the west that require guarding in the post:
Al Jefferson
Bynum
Marc Gasol
Duncan
Z-Bo
Pau Gasol
Millsap
Griffin *

Thats matchup " uses" with only Utah, Lakers, Memphis, SAS, and possibly Clippers w/ Griffin. I'll take my chances

pepe · 07-15-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by quietsavant

For those against the Scola pickup, Against s team that plays PF/C with little to no low post game like OKC : (Ibaka, Collison, Perk) he could easily play along side dirk, kaman or Brand. Talent first, worry about the scheme later. That's carlisle's job. I hope we snag him.

That's exactly my point...What would Duran, Westbrook and Harden do knowing that Scola and Dirk are the last line of attack?

Scola is a hell of a player, High BBIQ and crafty like I said before much rather go somewhere else but if he end it up here, I probably warm up to the idea

ribosoma · 07-15-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

That's exactly my point...What would Duran, Westbrook and Harden do knowing that Scola and Dirk are the last line of attack?

Scola is a hell of a player, High BBIQ and crafty like I said before much rather go somewhere else but if he end it up here, I probably warm up to the idea

Being that our perimeter defense is light years ahead of last year's squad, I think that you could manage a few minutes with Dirk and Scola on the floor at the same time. Spacing would be huge with both Scola and Dirk having the ability to score from distance and up close.

Scola would also be a huge dangling carrot for sweetening a trade, but even if he were to stay, you have a guy that can spell Dirk and absolutely cause fits coming off the bench. Having high value/low salary guys filling out your roster will also entice free agents to come here.

I would much rather flip some of our young role players to get a viable SG than pass up instant offense coming off the bench. Also, this league is getting smaller and smaller in regards to lineups, so the vast majority of teams in this league don't present a viable post presence worthy of passing on a player of Scola's quality.

sike · 07-15-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ribosoma

Being that our perimeter defense is light years ahead of last year's squad, I think that you could manage a few minutes with Dirk and Scola on the floor at the same time. Spacing would be huge with both Scola and Dirk having the ability to score from distance and up close.

Scola would also be a huge dangling carrot for sweetening a trade, but even if he were to stay, you have a guy that can spell Dirk and absolutely cause fits coming off the bench. Having high value/low salary guys filling out your roster will also entice free agents to come here.

I would much rather flip some of our young role players to get a viable SG than pass up instant offense coming off the bench. Also, this league is getting smaller and smaller in regards to lineups, so the vast majority of teams in this league don't present a viable post presence worthy of passing on a player of Scola's quality.

Good post.
I only like Scola if they are planning on using as trade fodder, but still, I like your optimism.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 03:12 PM

If Scola end up with the Mavs, I imagine that this has RC blessings and he will find a way to get him minutes in the floor and contribute. The guy is too good not to be in the floor at least 24 minutes.

Honestly as long as the signing will not the derail the Mavs from upgrading the G spot I am OK

jthig32 · 07-15-2012, 03:17 PM

I'm just not convinced that Scola is a huge trade asset, even at his lowered price.

dalger · 07-15-2012, 03:18 PM

If there was a SG like Courtney Lee to be had for the money that's left, I'd definitely prefer him over Scola due to our lack of shooters. However, Scola would certainly be better than a mediocre SG and could turn into a very nice trade chip next year. The most important thing is that he gets claimed by one of the eligible teams to not end up in Miami, Brooklyn or San Antonio. Since the Cavs seem to have made a bid, things look good in that respect.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 03:57 PM

Looks like the Cavs and Mavs are the only bidders...just a rumor

Bayliss · 07-15-2012, 04:02 PM

Scola is a very nice talent and had the Mavs not gotten Brand and Kaman, I woul;d love the Mavs to have him. But with those guys already here... not enough minutes for everyone. It would be the 2003-2004 season all over with 3 of your best players playing the same position.

LonghornDub · 07-15-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Scola is a very nice talent and had the Mavs not gotten Brand and Kaman, I woul;d love the Mavs to have him. But with those guys already here... not enough minutes for everyone. It would be the 2003-2004 season all over with 3 of your best players playing the same position.

There will be enough minutes, especially once somebody inevitably goes down with an injury.

rabbitproof · 07-15-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

Looks like the Cavs and Mavs are the only bidders...just a rumor

Annoying Cavs. Go away!

Scola would get us a very nice G at the trade deadline or next summer. Think big!

grndmstr_c · 07-15-2012, 04:08 PM

Huh, Phoenix won.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 04:08 PM

Phoenix bound as per Stein

Kante · 07-15-2012, 04:09 PM

Yep, it's Phoenix:

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Phoenix Suns are awarded ex-Rockets forward Luis Scola, per league sources. Houston used amnesty clause on Scola Friday.

Bayliss · 07-15-2012, 04:11 PM

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There will be enough minutes, especially once somebody inevitably goes down with an injury.

I'm not talking about injuries. In the playoffs, having those 4 will not be a good thing for cohesion with the team. Sure Brand comes off the bench. He'll like that. But then who do close with? Dirk obviously but then? Then you have two of the guys not really defensive players so if you pair them together you have the Antoine/Dirk situation as well.

markus1234 · 07-15-2012, 04:12 PM

Scola and Gortat is a nice front court. A little bit like (poor man's) Dirk and Tyson.

Bayliss · 07-15-2012, 04:12 PM

It's moot now anyway.

Funny, two Rockets playing together again in Phoenix.

BGMaverick9 · 07-15-2012, 04:18 PM

Dragic is going to have some nice bigs to work with in Phoenix (Gortat and Scola).

pepe · 07-15-2012, 04:20 PM

I am glad he got claimed from waivers and the Mavs didn't get him. The Suns are trying to assemble a team and he will fit there.

Bayliss · 07-15-2012, 04:21 PM

Josh Childress just got amnestied. Sign him up Mavs.

pepe · 07-15-2012, 04:25 PM

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Josh Childress just got amnestied. Sign him up Mavs.

Why not at this point the Mavs are amnesty happy, keep making bids at a minimum. Who is next?

OneLove22 · 07-15-2012, 04:27 PM

That's a perfect fit for Dragic. Bring him a familiar big man.