05-10-2013, 05:04 PM
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The whole "city of Dallas vs. city of LA" debate is getting old, and probably doesn't hold as much weight with professional athletes as everyone thinks... Here are the real issues:
Sterling/Buss vs. Cuban
D'Antoni/Del Negro vs. Carlisle
Kobe/Griffin vs. Dirk
$30 million now vs. $30 million later
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Don't forget ________ vs. Dallas Cowboys!
wait, crap...
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05-10-2013, 09:45 PM
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If what is preventing DHoward and CP3 signing with the Mavs is the guarantee 5th year, can these guys with the money saved in state taxes find an insurance underwriter to write them a nice policy to guarantee the 5th year income in case they get hurt. it make more sense to sign consecutive 4 years contract that give themselves an opportunity to decline in the 5th year and leave a lot of dough on the table in the next contract....just thinking outside the box.
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05-10-2013, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pepe
If what is preventing DHoward and CP3 signing with the Mavs is the guarantee 5th year, can these guys with the money saved in state taxes find an insurance underwriter to write them a nice policy to guarantee the 5th year income in case they get hurt. it make more sense to sign consecutive 4 years contract that give themselves an opportunity to decline in the 5th year and leave a lot of dough on the table in the next contract....just thinking outside the box.
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Good question... I don't know about the underwriter, but it gives me an excuse to re-post this here:
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L.A./Dallas dollars difference not nearly as much as it appears
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The Mavericks will have to overcome a money mountain to convince Chris Paul or Dwight Howard to come to Dallas.
The collective bargaining agreement gives their current teams a tremendous financial edge this summer, allowing them to offer five-year deals with annual raises that are 7.5 percent of the first year’s salary, as opposed to the four-year deals with 4.5 percent raises the Mavs and others can offer.
In Howard’s case, it’s a difference of $30.4 million. In Paul’s case, the difference is $28.2 million.
Dig a little deeper in the numbers, however, and the Mavs (and Houston Rockets, for that matter) can make a case that the offers would be a lot closer than they appear.
California millionaires pay a 12.3 percent state income tax after last year's tax hike. The great state of Texas doesn’t levy a state income tax on its citizens.
But that 12.3 percent is deceiving, because NBA players pay state income taxes for each road game. So cut it in half. And there is all kinds of complicated legal speak in the laws, so we'll stick with estimates.
That means Howard would pay about $7.5 million more in taxes if he spends the next five seasons playing for the Lakers instead of the Mavs (or Rockets). Paul would pay about $6.5 million more in taxes if he sticks with the Clippers instead of joining one of the Texas teams.
Essentially, the lack of a state income tax in Texas more than makes up for the three-percent-higher annual raises the Lakers and Clippers can offer their superstars.
However, it doesn’t address the extra year in the contract. It’d take a major leap of faith for Paul or Howard to feel like that isn’t a huge difference.
In other words, they’d have to be confident that they’d get another max deal after this one expires, when Paul will be 32 and Howard 31. That could be especially hard for Howard, considering that he had back surgery last year, but let’s assume for the sake of discussion that Mark Cuban convinces them the Mavs’ max commitment will extend after this contract.
The first-year value of their next deal in Dallas would be $22.24 million for Paul and $24.44 million for Howard.
Five-year value in Dallas for Paul: $102 million. In L.A.: $107.3 million.
Five-year value in Dallas for Howard: $112 million. In L.A.: $118 million.
Subtract the extra tax they’d pay in California and they’d actually make a few bucks more playing for the Mavs (or Rockets) than if they stayed in L.A.
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05-10-2013, 10:40 PM
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That is why I don't really understand the "they will be leaving money on the table" in the form of an extra guarantee year. The only way that it will happen is if they get hurt or drastically decline in production and the later is very difficult to happen for elite players unless an injury happen.
If realistically both of these players are almost guarantee another fat contract after this one....it makes sense to sign the 2nd contract the 4th year and not give themselves another extra year where production more than likely will decline.
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05-11-2013, 01:52 AM
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I'm talking shooting guard position.
Corey Brewer should comeback, if Mayo is trying to go the minny route. I would take Brewer back with Dirk for sure. Then maybe re-sign Anthony Morrow. This Morrow kid has the followthrough to be an nice shooter off the bench.
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05-11-2013, 10:50 AM
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brewer???no thanks...he is only a good role player.we have carter in this position.
i saw Jack against the Spurs....mmmmhhhhh...i hope he will not be our starting PG.good sixth man for 4/20M.
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05-11-2013, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffViggiano
i saw Jack against the Spurs....mmmmhhhhh...i hope he will not be our starting PG.good sixth man for 4/20M.
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6 games vs. Nugs: 19 PPG (53% FG), 7 APG, 5 RPG, 38 MPG
3 games vs. Spurs: 11 PPG (41% FG), 2 APG, 3 RPG, 33 MPG
San Antonio is definitely an opponent that our starting PG can't shrivel up against in the playoffs...
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05-11-2013, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffViggiano
i saw Jack against the Spurs....mmmmhhhhh...i hope he will not be our starting PG.good sixth man for 4/20M.
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Jack was especially bad last night. His average level of play is quite a bit higher than that.
Although I'd certainly agree that I don't want him, ideally, as our starting point. But don't worry about that: CP3 is comin'.
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05-11-2013, 06:44 PM
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Down by 4 with :25 to go, Derek fisher launches a 3 and bricks while KD is standing waiting for the ball. Game over. I love it. F you fisher.
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05-11-2013, 06:51 PM
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Down by 4 with :25 to go, Derek fisher launches a 3 and bricks while KD is standing waiting for the ball. Game over. I love you Derek Fisher.
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Fixed.
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05-12-2013, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
6 games vs. Nugs: 19 PPG (53% FG), 7 APG, 5 RPG, 38 MPG
3 games vs. Spurs: 11 PPG (41% FG), 2 APG, 3 RPG, 33 MPG
San Antonio is definitely an opponent that our starting PG can't shrivel up against in the playoffs...
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I hope we can all take the perspective that he's not as good as he looked against Denver and not as bad as he has looked against the Spurs.
Jarrett is a valuable and steady borderline starting point guard without any glaring weakness. These games show you how he is a little limited if you are expecting him to be a 8mill+/year player. His best role is exactly what he's doing with Klay and Steph.
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05-12-2013, 07:14 AM
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from Bill Simmons article: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...e-value-part-3
note on Chris Paul:
8. Chris Paul
Three reasons he's not higher …
A. He's about to get paid $80 million to 100 million for five years by somebody, whether it's the Clippers, Mavericks, Rockets or Lakers.
B. He's missing the lateral meniscus in his right knee, which is a fancy way of saying, "His right knee no longer has the cushion that knees usually need to do all the things that knees do." Read this 2011 ClipsNation piece for all the dirty details; it includes fancy diagrams and everything. In year four of his next contract, he'll be 32 years old, with 12 NBA seasons on his odometer … and odds are, he'll be battling problems with that knee and playing in some degree of pain. Has to be mentioned.
C. Look, I'm one of the preachers at the Church of Chris Paul. He's the best point guard I've ever watched on a regular basis. I can't blame him for being saddled with an overmatched coach and two years of pieces that never totally fit. He did everything he could. But his personality isn't always … um … favorable? He's demanding and occasionally condescending. He has no problem undressing a teammate verbally in front of 18,000 people. He's always gesturing and telling teammates where to go and what to do, almost like an abrasive wedding planner. He's always playing angry. There were times during these past two postseasons, especially when things went wrong, that CP's body language basically said, "These guys suck — I'm gonna have to do this myself."
There's a subtle balance between "I have to trust my teammates and build up their confidence" and "We're gonna lose unless I take over" — something that Isiah Thomas mastered completely during Detroit's five-year run from 1987 to 1991 — that Chris Paul never totally found in New Orleans or Los Angeles. He might be this generation's Oscar Robertson — someone so demanding/intimidating/relentless that teammates practically cower around him. Well, Oscar never made the Finals until much later in his career, when he crossed paths with Kareem in Milwaukee. Should we read anything into the fact that, in eight years, Chris Paul has never played in a conference finals? Or that he's 16-24 in the playoffs? It's a fair question, right? For the life of me, I can't understand why Paul and Blake Griffin don't get along, or why two straight Clipper postseasons COMPLETELY self-combusted. Even factoring in the Vinny Del Negro Effect, it's still a little strange — you shouldn't keep self-combusting when you have one of the league's best players.
And again, we're in the top 10 and picking nits. Chris Paul is fantastic. I voted for him fourth for MVP this season. In Dallas, with Rick Carlisle and Dirk and Cuban and a bunch of carefully selected role players flanking him? I'm sure he'd be even more fantastic. But in Los Angeles, with another inevitably shaky coach, the Lob City mind-set and a totally dysfunctional organization? I'm not quite as sure. Throw in the missing meniscus and the Clippers' tortured history and he's eighth. You know, unless he jumps to the Lakers (see footnote).
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05-12-2013, 10:08 AM
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"In Dallas, with Rick Carlisle and Dirk and Cuban and a bunch of carefully selected role players flanking him? I'm sure he'd be even more fantastic. But in Los Angeles, with another inevitably shaky coach, the Lob City mind-set and a totally dysfunctional organization? I'm not quite as sure."
I hope Paul will eventually think the same way : )
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05-12-2013, 10:45 AM
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Only problem is, if we keep Dirk and all of our cheap guys (and Marion), after we max out CP3 we barely have the cap space for those "carefully chosen role players," nor do we have much of a history of getting those types of players to come here at a discount.
If we trade Marion, different story. But I think we'd only go that route if we were going for broke and going for Dwight, too.
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05-12-2013, 10:51 AM
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Only problem is, if we keep Dirk and all of our cheap guys (and Marion), after we max out CP3 we barely have the cap space for those "carefully chosen role players," nor do we have much of a history of getting those types of players to come here at a discount.
If we trade Marion, different story. But I think we'd only go that route if we were going for broke and going for Dwight, too.
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I expect that if we had kept the championship team we would have had lots of candidates to come here at discounts. Vince carter is actually an example in some respects.
But with dirk/cp3 I think you would get a lot of candidates. Heck just cp3 would probably help a bunch.
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05-12-2013, 04:11 PM
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What do people think about Seth Curry in the draft?
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05-12-2013, 09:24 PM
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What does that link have to do with Marion?
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05-12-2013, 10:11 PM
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What does that link have to do with Marion?
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Marion would presumably be a salary match for Josh Smith in a S&T deal.
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05-13-2013, 08:28 AM
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rant on -
it kills me hearing all the sports media (AND FANS) talking about how poor Kevin Durant has to be the lone superstar carrying his team in these playoffs - AND NOT MENTION HOW DIRK DID IT FOR A DECADE OR MORE!!!!!!
- rant off
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05-13-2013, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Only problem is, if we keep Dirk and all of our cheap guys (and Marion), after we max out CP3 we barely have the cap space for those "carefully chosen role players," nor do we have much of a history of getting those types of players to come here at a discount.
If we trade Marion, different story. But I think we'd only go that route if we were going for broke and going for Dwight, too.
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If (and its a huge if) we are able to land CP3, we'd have him, Carter, Marion, Dirk, Sarge, and Cunningham on contract. Mavs have ~$38 mil in salary next year assuming Marion doesn't opt out, a max Paul contract would likely count ~$20 mil against the cap. leaving us at ~$58 mil. This year's cap was $58 and the luxury cap was $70.
I have no idea how much Wright will go for, but he'll probably get a very big raise. Let's put him at ~$7 mil. If we wanted to retain OJ Mayo (or get a player who puts up similar numbers), it will cost around that as well cause us to exceed the tax cap. I believe we have bird rights on Wright so we could resign him and probably still have a mid level exception available if we pass on Mayo. Using MLE for a shooting guard next season could get you someone like Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, Tony Allen, Marco Belinelli, or Wesley Johnson. All that said, I'm all for exceed the tax cap if we can sign up some role players on 1 year deals in order to have some space in 2014, though we'll be limited in the available exceptions which forces the salary down for those role players. 2013 could be looking at something like this:
CP3, Draft Pick, Cunningham
MLE, Carter
Marion, Crowder
Dirk, Wright
Sarge, Vet, Vet
If we can package, Marion and Cunningham we'd probably be in even better shape.
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05-13-2013, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee
I have no idea how much Wright will go for, but he'll probably get a very big raise. Let's put him at ~$7 mil. If we wanted to retain OJ Mayo (or get a player who puts up similar numbers), it will cost around that as well cause us to exceed the tax cap. I believe we have bird rights on Wright so we could resign him and probably still have a mid level exception available if we pass on Mayo. Using MLE for a shooting guard next season could get you someone like Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, Tony Allen, Marco Belinelli, or Wesley Johnson. All that said, I'm all for exceed the tax cap if we can sign up some role players on 1 year deals in order to have some space in 2014, though we'll be limited in the available exceptions which forces the salary down for those role players. 2013 could be looking at something like this:
CP3, Draft Pick, Cunningham
MLE, Carter
Marion, Crowder
Dirk, Wright
Sarge, Vet, Vet
If we can package, Marion and Cunningham we'd probably be in even better shape.
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If we kept our guaranteed guys and added CP3 and Wright, we'd likely be above the apron after signing our rookies. Then, we'd have only the mini-MLE. I'm guessing Morrow and Wes will be available for that price (in fact, a price much lower than that) but Tony Allen and Kyle Korver are going to be getting salaries close to or above the $5.35M MLE.
That said, I would rather sign Tony Allen at the full MLE than bringing back Wright.
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05-13-2013, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
If we kept our guaranteed guys and added CP3 and Wright, we'd likely be above the apron after signing our rookies. Then, we'd have only the mini-MLE. I'm guessing Morrow and Wes will be available for that price (in fact, a price much lower than that) but Tony Allen and Kyle Korver are going to be getting salaries close to or above the $5.35M MLE.
That said, I would rather sign Tony Allen at the full MLE than bringing back Wright.
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You think Wright is going for more than $7 mil? And we'll likely only be adding 1 rookie this year. Our second round is a pretty late pick. My guess is we give that pick away. Unless we luck out and get higher than our projected position, the rookie scale will be around $1.6 for the 13th pick. We of course will likely pay the 120% max which will be ~$2 mil. Even if Wright goes for ~$10, that would be ~$12 mill and the MLE would still put use under the apron. With CP and Dirk, you might be able to convince a couple vets to sign cheap and split that MLE between them. Of course, this is under the rather far fetched assumption that CP will be eating up ~$20 mil in salary.
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05-13-2013, 08:34 PM
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I made this word document a while ago, but the salaries are going based off of this year's salaries, except for the rooks, for who I just made up salaries xD:
Dallas Mavericks 2013:
Dirk Nowitzki PF- $22,721,381
Shawn Marion SF- $9,066,796
Vince Carter SG- $3,180,000
Jared Cunningham SG- $1,208,400
Jae Crowder SF- $788,872
Benard James PF/C- $788,872
Gorugi DiengC- $1,000,000
Jose Calderon PG- $10,561,982
Allen Crabbe- $500,000
Nikola Peckovic C- $6,046,500
O.J. Mayo SG- $4,200,900
Nate Robinson PG- $1,146,337
Total Salary:
$61,783,340
Last Year’s Payroll:
$62,164,714
Cap Room:
$1,954,674
Roster:
12/12
PG: 2 SG: 4 SF:2 PF:2 C:2
Since this was made a while ago some salaries and players would certainly not be affordable(ex. Nate Robinson), but, I think if we were able to get a roster that resembled this we could be a contender next year. We would have Jose Calderon, he fits the role of a smart PG with good court vision, something the Mavs need. Pekovic, a athletic, hard-working big man, opposite of Chris Kamen. We get those 2 in free agency and a athletic defensive big man that could come off the bench in the draft(someone like Dieng) and we would be solid.
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05-13-2013, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGermanator
I made this word document a while ago, but the salaries are going based off of this year's salaries, except for the rooks, for who I just made up salaries xD:
Dallas Mavericks 2013:
Dirk Nowitzki PF- $22,721,381
Shawn Marion SF- $9,066,796
Vince Carter SG- $3,180,000
Jared Cunningham SG- $1,208,400
Jae Crowder SF- $788,872
Benard James PF/C- $788,872
Gorugi DiengC- $1,000,000
Jose Calderon PG- $10,561,982
Allen Crabbe- $500,000
Nikola Peckovic C- $6,046,500
O.J. Mayo SG- $4,200,900
Nate Robinson PG- $1,146,337
Total Salary:
$61,783,340
Last Year’s Payroll:
$62,164,714
Cap Room:
$1,954,674
Roster:
12/12
PG: 2 SG: 4 SF:2 PF:2 C:2
Since this was made a while ago some salaries and players would certainly not be affordable(ex. Nate Robinson), but, I think if we were able to get a roster that resembled this we could be a contender next year. We would have Jose Calderon, he fits the role of a smart PG with good court vision, something the Mavs need. Pekovic, a athletic, hard-working big man, opposite of Chris Kamen. We get those 2 in free agency and a athletic defensive big man that could come off the bench in the draft(someone like Dieng) and we would be solid.
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I love the optimism, but Pek, OJ, and Nate are all going to get a lot more than that.
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05-14-2013, 04:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGermanator
I made this word document a while ago, but the salaries are going based off of this year's salaries, except for the rooks, for who I just made up salaries xD:
Dallas Mavericks 2013:
Dirk Nowitzki PF- $22,721,381
Shawn Marion SF- $9,066,796
Vince Carter SG- $3,180,000
Jared Cunningham SG- $1,208,400
Jae Crowder SF- $788,872
Benard James PF/C- $788,872
Gorugi DiengC- $1,000,000
Jose Calderon PG- $10,561,982
Allen Crabbe- $500,000
Nikola Peckovic C- $6,046,500
O.J. Mayo SG- $4,200,900
Nate Robinson PG- $1,146,337
Total Salary:
$61,783,340
Last Year’s Payroll:
$62,164,714
Cap Room:
$1,954,674
Roster:
12/12
PG: 2 SG: 4 SF:2 PF:2 C:2
Since this was made a while ago some salaries and players would certainly not be affordable(ex. Nate Robinson), but, I think if we were able to get a roster that resembled this we could be a contender next year. We would have Jose Calderon, he fits the role of a smart PG with good court vision, something the Mavs need. Pekovic, a athletic, hard-working big man, opposite of Chris Kamen. We get those 2 in free agency and a athletic defensive big man that could come off the bench in the draft(someone like Dieng) and we would be solid.
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what???Pekovic athletic???
anyway i don't think that that team will be a contender...maybe a second round PO.maybe.
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05-14-2013, 08:24 AM
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Pekovic will scratch for sure at the 10m mark.
Mayo could be cheaper after his terrible last months. 5-7m
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05-14-2013, 09:19 AM
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Pekovic will scratch for sure at the 10m mark.
Mayo could be cheaper after his terrible last months. 5-7m
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Always take the over when projecting and then be pleasantly surprised if you're wrong.
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05-14-2013, 09:35 AM
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One week until the lottery. Odds aren't good 1/45 chance of a top 3. Still, it may be interesting. Unlikely as it is, if we break into the top 3, the offseason becomes a very different beast.
44 days until the draft.
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05-14-2013, 10:54 AM
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44 days? Jesus what an excruciating time to wait.
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05-14-2013, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGermanator
I made this word document a while ago, but the salaries are going based off of this year's salaries, except for the rooks, for who I just made up salaries xD:
Dallas Mavericks 2013:
Dirk Nowitzki PF- $22,721,381
Shawn Marion SF- $9,066,796
Vince Carter SG- $3,180,000
Jared Cunningham SG- $1,208,400
Jae Crowder SF- $788,872
Benard James PF/C- $788,872
Gorugi DiengC- $1,000,000
Jose Calderon PG- $10,561,982
Allen Crabbe- $500,000
Nikola Peckovic C- $6,046,500
O.J. Mayo SG- $4,200,900
Nate Robinson PG- $1,146,337
Total Salary:
$61,783,340
Last Year’s Payroll:
$62,164,714
Cap Room:
$1,954,674
Roster:
12/12
PG: 2 SG: 4 SF:2 PF:2 C:2
Since this was made a while ago some salaries and players would certainly not be affordable(ex. Nate Robinson), but, I think if we were able to get a roster that resembled this we could be a contender next year. We would have Jose Calderon, he fits the role of a smart PG with good court vision, something the Mavs need. Pekovic, a athletic, hard-working big man, opposite of Chris Kamen. We get those 2 in free agency and a athletic defensive big man that could come off the bench in the draft(someone like Dieng) and we would be solid.
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Some additional thoughts:
PF/C: Greg Smith - If we can snag him from Houston, he might be a solid backup at PF/C on the cheap for the next couple years.
SG: Kevn Martin might be a very good pick up. No idea exactly what he'll go for. Don't want to pay big bucks for guys 30-ish though who aren't going to add some star power.
Backup PG: Aaron Brooks, if Houston opts not to keep him I think he'd be a solid option. Nate Robinson would be fantastic as well though he's probably looking for more than we'd pay him. Though there's really no minutes for him with Chicago next year. If Jared Cunningham can't add some value this year, he needs to be shipped off with a second round pick for anything of value.
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05-14-2013, 10:53 PM
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People still have faith this organization will pick a legit player?
I could not care less about the draft for that very reason. If cubes is smart he'll trade that pick to a team that actually values draft picks.
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05-15-2013, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanL
People still have faith this organization will pick a legit player?
I could not care less about the draft for that very reason. If cubes is smart he'll trade that pick to a team that actually values draft picks.
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2 of 3 picks last year were way better than they've done in years. And we have the highest pick we've had in years. So here's to hope...
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05-15-2013, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanL
People still have faith this organization will pick a legit player?
I could not care less about the draft for that very reason. If cubes is smart he'll trade that pick to a team that actually values draft picks.
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Last year was the first time we've had a pick higher than #24 going into the draft since 2000... It's hard to get an impact player in that range, but that's the "downside" of winning 50+ games and making the playoffs every season for over a decade straight.
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05-15-2013, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee
SG: Kevn Martin might be a very good pick up.
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regular season first three quarter king...
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Backup PG: Aaron Brooks, if Houston opts not to keep him I think he'd be a solid option
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Brooks = DC
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05-15-2013, 11:35 AM
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regular season first three quarter king...
Brooks = DC
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Love that MJ gif.
Brooks being equal to DC off the bench for 1/2 or less the salary is alright with me, especially if the saved salary can go toward improving the starting lineup.
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05-15-2013, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Last year was the first time we've had a pick higher than #24 going into the draft since 2000... It's hard to get an impact player in that range, but that's the "downside" of winning 50+ games and making the playoffs every season for over a decade straight.
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2000 is a nice cut-off because it marks the beginning of this current squad with Cuban. Since then we've had extremely poor draft position. In 11 years we only had 5 first rounders at an average draft position of 25th overall. Considering that at that position, only 5% players ever make it to an allstar game and 10% are even starters in the league, I feel pretty good about getting guys like Josh Howard (who made an allstar game before falling apart) and Crowder who has already started a few games.
Odds of success at the 25th overall
5% of getting a star
5% chance of getting a starter
25% of getting a 6-10 bench player
50% of getting an 11-15 bench warmer
15% chance of getting a bust/DNP
Our actual draft - it's to early to tell on Cunningham, so I did not include him
0% stars
33% starters (Howard, Crowder)
33% solid backups (Roddy, James)
0% low bench
17% bust/DNP (Ager)
You can argue that Howard was a star as he made it to an allstar game and put up fine numbers for a couple of years. We've beaten the odds with starters and backups with out low first-rounders. We've also beaten the odds in the second round and with undrafted players, albeit with a small sample size as well.
Zeller (17th) - Crowder, James, Cunningham
Hamilton (26th) - nothing
Josh Howard (29th)
Mullens (24th) - Roddy
Ager (28th)
Go back two more years and you see a better picture
2000 - 12th pick - Etan Thomas - 8--year journeyman
1998 - 6th pick - Traylor for Dirk - Hall of Famer, 11 time allstar, regular season MVP, Finals MVP, 4 time NBA first team, Sports Illustrated all-decade team
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05-15-2013, 03:25 PM
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Dirk Nowitzki: I'll definitely be a little involved. But I'll be in the draft 'war room' for the first time ... order some pizza and talk some basketball. I got one year left on this deal and then I'm coming off the books. So if that helps for us to be better. I'm going to take a paycut. That's part of the pitch. Cuban and Donnie have got to be part of the pitch. I think Dallas and the fans here, the sellout streak, the city to live in is gorgeous and has gotta be in the top five in the league. Hopefully, some of those guys will decide to come, and if not, we've gotta have a plan B. If none of those top free agents come, we gotta make some moves with sign and trades or something. We want to get back to the playoffs and be a factor. We owe it to these fans who come out every single night to support us.
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05-15-2013, 04:39 PM
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Dirk knows what's up.
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05-15-2013, 05:27 PM
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Since he'll be in the draft war room. Wonder if he's going to push for a power forward to mentor. Kelly Olynyk or Ryan Kelly.
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