Mavs involved in talks with Boston regarding Rondo?

[OneLove22]

Thing is the Celtics are trying to tank next season so they can get somebody like Wiggins or Porter, generally any lottery pick next season. Rondo wont play for half a season anyway.

Do I think we will get Rondo? Doubtful and these rumors seem like BS.

Do I think Boston is looking to trade Rondo? Wouldn't surprise me one bit, they have tried to trade him before.

[jasonic]

If we make a deal with picks and taking one of the contracts of either Lee or Bass i think Ainge will consider it.
If someone told me what i thought about Celtics-Nets deal a few months ago i think it would be an instant no from Celtics, so yes i think we have some chances in Rondo.
Btw, i saw in some article that Ainge want to build the team around Green and Bradley.

[OneLove22]

It's also highly speculated that Rajon and Doc did not get along well and Rondo is not a great locker room guy for whatever it is worth. I'd still take him, he's a warrior.

[rabbitproof]

Haha, we have a small window at Dwight and our eyes get super greedy..

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Haha, we have a small window at Dwight and our eyes get super greedy..

Somebody like Rondo might be what it takes to get Dwight... Plus, if you miss out on Dwight, you still have Rondo.

[Ninkobei]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think you are the dumb one if you think that Rondo isn't being shopped for a full rebuild.

Why wouldn't Boston want to keep arguably the best PG in the league who is only 27 to rebuild around? They traded away 35 year olds for scraps. A top 10 PG for the next half decade is a different story.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Somebody like Rondo might be what it takes to get Dwight... Plus, if you miss out on Dwight, you still have Rondo.

Well they can't afford dwight if they get rondo first so they would have to sell dwight on signing the contract first. All that being said I just don't see how we have assets for rondo unless we are willing to trade 2-3 unprotected firsts and pretty much all our young talent.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Well they can't afford dwight if they get rondo first so they would have to sell dwight on signing the contract first. All that being said I just don't see how we have assets for rondo unless we are willing to trade 2-3 unprotected firsts and pretty much all our young talent.

Did you see what the Nets gave up to get Pierce and Garnett? They are older, but still hall-of-famers.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Did you see what the Nets gave up to get Pierce and Garnett? They are older, but still hall-of-famers.

KG is way past his prime and simply a complementary piece at this stage, he may only play 1-2 more years, Pierce is still really good but for how much longer at this level? Probably a year or 2 before his steep decline. For Rondo you are trading for in theory (I say this because I believe Rondo is overrated but perception is reality when it comes to trade value) a top 5 PG in his prime that is under paid and improved his mid range game this past year. You have to give up a ton for that.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mavs777

KG is way past his prime and simply a complementary piece at this stage, he may only play 1-2 more years, Pierce is still really good but for how much longer at this level? Probably a year or 2 before his steep decline. For Rondo you are trading for in theory (I say this because I believe Rondo is overrated but perception is reality when it comes to trade value) a top 5 PG in his prime that is under paid and improved his mid range game this past year. You have to give up a ton for that.

Joe Johnson cost expiring deals and one first rounder
Gerald Wallace cost two expiring deals and one first rounder
Gasol cost expirings, MArc Gasol (before he was big) and two first rounders

I don't see why you'd expect Boston during a fire sale to ask for much more than expiring contracts and first rounders.

[mavs777]

Because Rondo is much better than the players you listed except for pau? We won't agree here, so let's agree to disagree, I respect you as a poster but think you are wrong here. Boston won't just give Rondo away for mediocre value.

[DisraeliGears]

Originally Posted by Ninkobei

arguably the best PG in the league who is only 27 to rebuild around

1st off this is insane. Rondo is maybe top 5 if healthy, but I don't think anybody considers him the best PG in the league. Paul, Kyrie, Rose, Deron, Westbrook...PG is LOADED.

That said, Rondo would be a PERFECT fit, and would come to Dallas with a big chip on his shoulder thinking that the Celtics preferred Wiggins/Parker to him. At the same time, if the Celtics are gonna tank, Rondo would sabotage that by playing too well.

Offer the Celts Marion (expiring who won't really prevent the team from sucking), Wright S&T(young talented big, a decent piece), and 1-2 1sts for Rondo (if they want Larkin too then fine).

Biggest problem is that trade actually adds 3 mil to our salary cap (1&1/2 if Larkin goes). If Vince goes then we're still a mil shy of a max contract to Dwight.

I dunno how they have to do it, but if you can get Rondo, pull the trigger ASAP. With Dwight's tendency to change his mind at any moment, I'd rather have Rondo than be betting on Dwight.

[He15man]

Originally Posted by DisraeliGears

1st off this is insane. Rondo is maybe top 5 if healthy, but I don't think anybody considers him the best PG in the league. Paul, Kyrie, Rose, Deron, Westbrook...PG is LOADED.

That said, Rondo would be a PERFECT fit, and would come to Dallas with a big chip on his shoulder thinking that the Celtics preferred Wiggins/Parker to him. At the same time, if the Celtics are gonna tank, Rondo would sabotage that by playing too well.

Offer the Celts Marion (expiring who won't really prevent the team from sucking), Wright S&T(young talented big, a decent piece), and 1-2 1sts for Rondo (if they want Larkin too then fine).

Biggest problem is that trade actually adds 3 mil to our salary cap (1&1/2 if Larkin goes). If Vince goes then we're still a mil shy of a max contract to Dwight.

I dunno how they have to do it, but if you can get Rondo, pull the trigger ASAP. With Dwight's tendency to change his mind at any moment, I'd rather have Rondo than be betting on Dwight.

I hope we get Rondo, him Dirk and Dwight would be awesome.

Knowing the Mavs FA the past couple years, we'll get neither.

[NoTnERb]

not sure if this is related to rondo but here ya go fellas:

via hoopsrumors.com

"Mavericks owner Mark Cuban tells Jon Machota of the Dallas Morning News that he has a couple of meetings with players scheduled to take place in Los Angeles, presumably referring to Howard and Chris Paul. Still, those two big fishes aren't the team's sole focus, as Cuban also says the Mavs were in discussions yesterday about a deal that would have prevented the team from making a maximum-salary signing this summer."

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by NoTnERb

not sure if this is related to rondo but here ya go fellas:

via hoopsrumors.com

"Mavericks owner Mark Cuban tells Jon Machota of the Dallas Morning News that he has a couple of meetings with players scheduled to take place in Los Angeles, presumably referring to Howard and Chris Paul. Still, those two big fishes aren't the team's sole focus, as Cuban also says the Mavs were in discussions yesterday about a deal that would have prevented the team from making a maximum-salary signing this summer."

I think he's referring to Mavs trading for Garnett/ Pierce/Jet. Its been reported that Celtics and Mavs were discussing this

[sike]

Rondo talk feels more empty than Chris Paul talk...and now I've said my two cents.

[LonghornDub]

Yeah, I don't see any way the Mavs get Rondo. But who knows.

[Bayliss]

Yeah, I don't see any way the Mavs get Rondo. But who knows.

Yeah I tend to see the Mavs get Shaft(ed) more than anybody else.

[MavsFTR]

Fish tweeted something about Rondo, but you need to pay to read the article.

[LonghornDub]

Well, Fish is reporting that the Mavs are in talks for Rondo. That's at least slightly more credible--if only slightly--than that random other guy:

Mike Fisher
Sources: Mavs Engage In Trade Talks With Celtics For Rondo

http://mavericks.scout.com/a.z?s=268...0eHSQ.facebook

[Rick41]

If Mavs were to trade for Rondo, is it possible to say F it and also sign Dwight to a max and go over the tax? Or does the CBA forbid that?

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Rick41

If Mavs were to trade for Rondo, is it possible to say F it and also sign Dwight to a max and go over the tax? Or does the CBA forbid that?

You can go over the cap to sign your own FAs, but they can't go over to sign Dwight coming from elsewhere.

[rabbitproof]

If it were anybody but Fish...

[LonghornDub]

One thing that immediately jumps to mind is that the Mavs trade talks never get out in public (at least, the ones that work). The one exception was JKidd. If Fisher and other folks are reporting this, it makes me think it's actually less likely to happen.

[rabbitproof]

I suppose it's technically possible?

Moving Marion + Carter would pay for Rondo cap space wise. Marion + Larkin + two future 1sts should be a good haul for Boston. You'd still have to clear room to create the max for Howard somehow. Not sure where that would come from (Larkin, any holds on others?).

How do the cap holds for Roddy/Collison work?

[SeanL]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I suppose it's technically possible?

Moving Marion + Carter would pay for Rondo cap space wise. Marion + Larkin + two future 1sts should be a good haul for Boston. You'd still have to clear room to create the max for Howard somehow. Not sure where that would come from (Larkin, any holds on others?).

Fish suggested in a tweet it could be done by signing Howard then trading for Rondo in that order.

I suppose we would agree in principle with all parties then sign the contract first on Howard then Rondo in succession.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I suppose it's technically possible?

Moving Marion + Carter would pay for Rondo cap space wise. Marion + Larkin + two future 1sts should be a good haul for Boston. You'd still have to clear room to create the max for Howard somehow. Not sure where that would come from (Larkin, any holds on others?).

How do the cap holds for Roddy/Collison work?

Makes perfect sense for both teams but I'm not sure that the Celtics couldn't get more than that for Rondo.

[minkbarn]

The Celtics look like they're submerging for Wiggins and the 2014 class. They're set up to have a shot at the #1 pick for 2014, 2105, 2106, 2017, and 2018. They like unprotected picks.

That said, the two teams don't appear to be comfortable trading partners in this situation. But there could be some creative ways around that.

As a C's fan I can say for sure Dirk would regularly get the easiest shots of his career if he played with Rondo.

I have no idea if the Celtics intend to keep Rondo or not.

(It's a bit of a relief to have the rebuilding underway.)

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Kirobaito

Rondo-Dirk-Dwight would be the anti-Heat. Three superstars with totally different skillsets as opposed to three super-athletic wing players. Would be very interesting to see how it plays out.

Rondo never was, nor ever will be a superstar, but he is a good complimentary player. I would love to have him, but Dwight is obviously way more importent. Nonetheless, if it would happen, we'd need to play a sharpshooter SG and SF, or at the very least one elite shooter, and one ok/good open spot up shooter next to Rondo. I guess that would be a nice problem to have once we'd have our big 3. Not sure what we would trade for Rondo though.

[Bayliss]

Just more on the Rondo thing:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Mavs would love having Rajon Rondo to chase Dwight Howard, but Boston needs Dallas to take multiple contracts off its books, sources say.
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[mavs777]

so looks like i was kind of wrong, it does have some legs but probably unlikely unless we miss on dwight

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 11m

Mavs would love having Rajon Rondo to chase Dwight Howard, but Boston needs Dallas to take multiple contracts off its books, sources say.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m

As http://Dallasbasketball.com says, Celts/Mavs talked some Rondo. Celtics like Larkin, but how do Mavs take contracts and keep space for Howard?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 3m

Mavs undeniably fans of Rondo, as @fishsports reported, but "trade talks" to this point have gone nowhere because Celts want only one Mav

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 45s

Mavs: We're interested in Rondo. Celts: We want Dirk. So: More teams gotta jump in or Boston gotta budge for meaningful talks to take place

[yahyes]

Mavs undeniably fans of Rondo, as @fishsports reported, but "trade talks" to this point have gone nowhere because Celts want only one Mav

-Marc Stein


I think it's Larkin and Marion especially.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by yahyes

-Marc Stein


I think it's Larkin and Marion especially.

They want Dirk.

[Skywalker]

lol

[MavsFTR]

Dirk isn't going anywhere. Keep dreaming, Ainge.

[rabbitproof]

We'd have to take Crash's contract back. That would put the kabosh on Dwight.

[minkbarn]

Originally Posted by Rick41

They want Dirk.

They don't want Dirk. They just traded their Dirks.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by minkbarn

They don't want Dirk. They just traded their Dirks.

I both agree with and disapprove of this post.

[minkbarn]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

We'd have to take Crash's contract back. That would put the kabosh on Dwight.

A third team is needed.

[He15man]

Sounds like we might need to get a third team involved