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Bayliss · 07-20-2013, 01:18 PM

Would you rather the Mavs take him back or try and get someone else?

If the field netted the Mavs Oden or Carmichael.

Underdog · 07-20-2013, 01:21 PM

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine: Mavs hope to re-sign James if he clears waivers but legit chance he gets claimed given he's an athletic, blossoming big at less than a mil

Sounds like the odds are against us getting Sarge back.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-20-2013, 01:26 PM

I'd like Sarge back, but he's hardly irreplaceable. You can still get three points, three rebounds from a Thabeet or whoever.

Underdog · 07-20-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'd like Sarge back, but he's hardly irreplaceable. You can still get three points, three rebounds from a Thabeet or whoever.

Sarge has the potential to be better than that, and Carlisle obviously likes him (as evidenced by his 11 starts as a rookie).

dirt_dobber · 07-20-2013, 01:29 PM

I could see a youngish team picking him up. Bobcats, Wizards or Raptors

But I would like to see a bit more experience backing up our center position.
Although if he does clear waivers he should get some decent floor time
backing up Dalembert.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-20-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

I could see a youngish team picking him up. Bobcats, Wizards or Raptors

But I would like to see a bit more experience backing up our center position.
Although if he does clear waivers he should get some decent floor time
backing up Dalembert.

Pretty sure Wright will be backing up Dalembert.

Underdog · 07-20-2013, 01:31 PM

We're looking at Dalembert/Wright at the center position... Who else is left on the market?

(because we're one injury away from Dirk playing heavy minutes at the 5)

dirt_dobber · 07-20-2013, 01:33 PM

Would the recently waived / amnestied Raptor Linas Kleiza be a good candidate?
He is coming off micro-fracture surgery but would be decent.
6'-9" 250

grndmstr_c · 07-20-2013, 02:09 PM

Sarge + Oden is still the most desirable outcome, to my mind, though it's more of a long shot now.

oilfieldtrash · 07-20-2013, 02:25 PM

Official mavs press release:

Cuban "We're better off without (insert players name) because we signed 5 good players."

Underdog · 07-20-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Official mavs press release:

Cuban "We're better off without (insert players name) because we signed 5 good players."

They had to make room for your boy Ellis... Do you think we would've been better off with Sarge instead??

OneLove22 · 07-21-2013, 12:00 AM

Man I'm pissed about this.... Sarge was awesome.

Cerberus · 07-21-2013, 12:55 AM

Prefer that we waived Akognon instead.

EricaLubarsky · 07-21-2013, 02:36 AM

James appreciation thread yet?

DGM · 07-21-2013, 06:49 AM

Mavs should have drafted Dieng. He and Big Sam would have given Mavs two big men who could move, block shots and make a 12 foot jumper.

oilfieldtrash · 07-21-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Mavs should have drafted Dieng. He and Big Sam would have given Mavs two big men who could move, block shots and make a 12 foot jumper.

Or Mason Plumlee. As evidenced by free agency pg's are a dime a dozen.

DGM · 07-21-2013, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Or Mason Plumlee. As evidenced by free agency pg's are a dime a dozen.

You are right. Plumlee really looked good this summer and man can he run and jump!

oilfieldtrash · 07-21-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DGM

You are right. Plumlee really looked good this summer and man can he run and jump!

I should bump the thread where I said the mavs should draft this guy. Only guy here that said it.

Quetzalcoatl · 07-21-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Or Mason Plumlee. As evidenced by free agency pg's are a dime a dozen.

Maybe you are right.

spreedom · 07-21-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I should bump the thread where I said the mavs should draft this guy. Only guy here that said it.

Who cares?

oilfieldtrash · 07-21-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Who cares?

It's just funny you guys claim to know basketball but every prediction you make is wrong and usually based on repeating what you've heard on sportscenter. You don't know basketball. You know what you heard Stephen A. or Skip Bayliss tell you.

Underdog · 07-21-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

It's just funny you guys claim to know basketball but every prediction you make is wrong and usually based on repeating what you've heard on sportscenter. You don't know basketball. You know what you heard Stephen A. or Skip Bayliss tell you.

Holy f*ck, you win the internet - someone get this guy a lifetime supply of free blowjobs because he predicted, what, that Mason Plumlee was going to look good in Summer League??

I look forward to your regular contributions on ESPN.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-21-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I should bump the thread where I said the mavs should draft this guy. Only guy here that said it.

Tooting your own horn over something ridiculous won't win you many fans. I actually mentioned that Plumlee wasn't a horrid pick, but I preferred Dieng. And actually Plumlee sucked really hard in some of those summer league games. The game against Utah, he had 4 points, 2 rebounds, and was a whopping -27.

grndmstr_c · 07-21-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Prefer that we waived Akognon instead.

He has been, per Stein.

LonghornDub · 07-21-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

It's just funny you guys claim to know basketball but every prediction you make is wrong and usually based on repeating what you've heard on sportscenter. You don't know basketball. You know what you heard Stephen A. or Skip Bayliss tell you.

Basketball 101, sons. Prof. Xpert. Register now before seats fill up.

Melonhead · 07-21-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

He has been, per Stein.

Yup. Same situation as sarge. If he clears waivers, he'll be back in the form of at least a camp invite. I like his aggressiveness, just doesn't have the size.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-21-2013, 07:04 PM

James cleared waivers and will be resigned at the league minimum per Stein.

jthig32 · 07-21-2013, 07:10 PM

I'm honestly somewhat baffled that he cleared waivers. I mean, I get that he's nothing special, but a young(ish) big with defensive ability on a minimum salary that any team could have claimed?

grndmstr_c · 07-21-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm honestly somewhat baffled that he cleared waivers. I mean, I get that he's nothing special, but a young(ish) big with defensive ability on a minimum salary that any team could have claimed?

Me too. I guess maybe it turned out to be a good thing that he couldn't catch and finish in the first summer league game? Or maybe his agent was lobbying behind the scenes for teams to let him stay? Whatever it was, glad to hear it.

moogle · 07-21-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm honestly somewhat baffled that he cleared waivers. I mean, I get that he's nothing special, but a young(ish) big with defensive ability on a minimum salary that any team could have claimed?

I think it's hilarious that nobody claimed him. Mavs fretting all week long about other teams coveting their prized center. Then it turns out the rest of the league thinks he's a scrub not even worthy of a D-League roster spot.

And who can blame them? Bernard James is an undersized center who stands only 6'8.75" (without shoes). He's very inexperienced, and yet will turn 29 this season. He's too raw to contribute immediately, and too old to develop properly. As a project, there is very little upside to Bernard James.

EricaLubarsky · 07-21-2013, 07:26 PM

grndmstr_c · 07-21-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

I think it's hilarious that nobody claimed him. Mavs fretting all week long about other teams coveting their prized center. Then it turns out the rest of the league thinks he's a scrub not even worthy of a D-League roster spot.

And who can blame them? Bernard James is an undersized center who stands only 6'8.75" (without shoes). He's very inexperienced, and yet will turn 29 this season. He's too raw to contribute immediately, and too old to develop properly. As a project, there is very little upside to Bernard James.

You seem to really like pointing out his height (without shoes) while overlooking his 10/10/3 per-36 averages in his rookie year.

Rick41 · 07-21-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

Bernard James is an undersized center who stands only 6'8.75" (without shoes).

Good thing he plays basketball with shoes on.

EricaLubarsky · 07-21-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You seem to really like pointing out his height (without shoes) while overlooking his 10/10/3 per-36 averages in his rookie year.

Not to mention that Howard blocked 3.9% of shots while out there and James blocked 5.0% for a block rating of 12.4 (vs. Howard's 7.5)

LonghornDub · 07-21-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Good thing he plays basketball with shoes on.

I lol'ed.

moogle · 07-21-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

You seem to really like pointing out his height (without shoes) while overlooking his 10/10/3 per-36 averages in his rookie year.

I don't like projecting PER36 numbers for a player who averaged only 9.9 minutes per game.

jthig32 · 07-21-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moogle

I don't like projecting PER36 numbers for a player who averaged only 9.9 minutes per game.

I tend to agree with this. But I do think you're a bit too dismissive. He's incredibly unlikely to ever even be a starter in this league, but his performance last season showed that he has some genuine defensive instincts and wasn't in completely over his head.

Also, in today's NBA, being ~6'9" and mobile at the center spot can oftentimes be viewed as a feature, not a bug.

Bayliss · 07-21-2013, 07:39 PM

He is a tad small. He is only 6'10" with shoes on... but he has a 7'3" wingspan. So him not being 7 foot is made up with having long arms. For comparison sake:

Shawn Bradley had a wingspan of 7'5"
Byron Mullins has a wingspan of 7'1"
Meyers Leonard has a wingspan of 7'3"
Tyson Chandler had a wingspan of 7'3"
Andrew Bogut has a wingspan of 7'3"
Joakim Noah has a wingspan of 7'1"

Shall I keep going? So he isn't as tall as some. But he has pretty much the same reach as most of the 7 footers in the league today......

moogle · 07-21-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Not to mention that Howard blocked 3.9% of shots while out there and James blocked 5.0% for a block rating of 12.4 (vs. Howard's 7.5)

Stats from 9.9 minutes per game doesn't tell you a lot about a player. The only thing it tells you is that he wasn't good enough to earn more minutes.

What's also telling is that he played fewer minutes as the season went on. When the Mavs made their post All-Star Break surge, Bernard had 15 DNPs coach's decision, and barely averaged 4 minutes in the games he did play. I would be more optimistic if he finished his rookie season on an upward trend.

yahyes · 07-21-2013, 07:44 PM

Salute to the Sarge!