PGT: Mavs lose to the Spurs, again... - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Vinsanity · 04-10-2014, 10:03 PM

Pretty sure if we played the Spurs all 82 games of the season, our record would be around 2-80...

Current standings:
7. Suns 47-31 (--)
8. Mavericks 48-32 (--)
9. Grizzlies 46-32 (1GB)

markus1234 · 04-10-2014, 10:05 PM

make it 0-82

Crap happens if you have only one legit starter. And a solid 6th man (Ellis)...

The rest of our team should come off the bench and play around 20min....

yahyes · 04-10-2014, 10:40 PM

Ok the Mavs lost. Now to move on for the next. It felt like Dirk wanted to play throughout also. It's about the time of the season to unleash our MVP for 40+ minutes.

Underdog · 04-10-2014, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Crap happens if you have only one legit starter. And a solid 6th man (Ellis)...

Ellis is a legit #2 scorer in this league. The problem is how the rest of this team is made up... Dirk/Ellis are already light years better than Dirk/Terry were after their first year together.

markus1234 · 04-10-2014, 10:49 PM

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Ellis is a legit #2 scorer in this league. The problem is how the rest of this team is made up... Dirk/Ellis are already light years better than Dirk/Terry were after their first year together.

Well, i disagree.

Ellis FG% is pretty bad, esp. against elite teams. and his two man game with Dirk is not very consistent, esp. when it counts.

Dirk and Jet was the best crunch time combo in the whole league. Jet's shot was just so much better. Also Jet's passing skills were better. Jet was a legit PG in this league.

Ellis is a solid 6th man. As a starter he is too small on both ends. He plays like Westbrook, Wade and Harden, but he is not physical enough. And his transition D is terrible.

ffballer · 04-10-2014, 11:03 PM

Underdog · 04-10-2014, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Dirk and Jet was the best crunch time combo in the whole league. Jet's shot was just so much better. Also Jet's passing skills were better. Jet was a legit PG in this league.

Ellis is a solid 6th man. As a starter he is too small on both ends. He plays like Westbrook, Wade and Harden, but he is not physical enough. And his transition D is terrible.

Reading comprehension, much? Dirk and Terry were absolutely nothing special in the clutch during their FIRST YEAR together... Hell, Terry wasn't even really much of a clutch threat until his second contract with the Mavs.

And neither of them are legit PGs, so I don't even know what you're talking about there... But Ellis does have the statistical edge over Terry in the assits department. Also, both of them are undersized and not much of a threat on defense, although calling Terry a 6th man has always been kind of a stretch, so I don't really see you how can call Ellis one either.

sike · 04-10-2014, 11:16 PM

I hate what the Spurs do to us!

Underdog · 04-10-2014, 11:22 PM

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I hate what the Spurs do to us!

LonghornDub · 04-10-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Ok the Mavs lost. Now to move on for the next. It felt like Dirk wanted to play throughout also. It's about the time of the season to unleash our MVP for 40+ minutes.

I agree with this guy.

Underdog · 04-10-2014, 11:40 PM

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I agree with this guy.

Yahyes.

yahyes · 04-10-2014, 11:55 PM

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Yahyes.

yah

Dtownsfinest · 04-11-2014, 03:15 AM

I don't know what's up with the talk that Ellis is nothing more than a 6th man.....I think that's ridiculous. If Dirk is your #1 than Ellis is a more than suitable #2. Ellis isn't the problem. The guys behind him is what's the problem. This team is missing one more consistent scorer.

some1nw · 04-11-2014, 03:23 AM

no surprise opposing point guards go off against Jose

Budapest Maverick · 04-11-2014, 07:06 AM

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I don't know what's up with the talk that Ellis is nothing more than a 6th man.....I think that's ridiculous. If Dirk is your #1 than Ellis is a more than suitable #2. Ellis isn't the problem. The guys behind him is what's the problem. This team is missing one more consistent scorer.

No, this team is missing defense. A lot. Our offense is arguably better than in our championship season, or at the very least close to it.

spreedom · 04-11-2014, 07:23 AM

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yah

spreedom · 04-11-2014, 07:28 AM

Also, I don't think this win invalidates this roster or anything like that... it's flawed, especially defensively, but it's still a top-10 roster in the league... probably better than that if you consider that Wright has been the best- or second-best bench player on the roster and he missed the first third of the season.

I think there still needs to be a change in the makeup of the roster so we have more defensive versatility, but the current guys are still more talented than 20-25 teams in the league. San Antonio just happens to be a much better team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-11-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

make it 0-82

Crap happens if you have only one legit starter. And a solid 6th man (Ellis)...

The rest of our team should come off the bench and play around 20min....

Isn't it fun to only come around and complain when the team loses?

adonis · 04-11-2014, 07:48 AM

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Ok the Mavs lost. Now to move on for the next. It felt like Dirk wanted to play throughout also. It's about the time of the season to unleash our MVP for 40+ minutes.

With Dick Carlisle your head coach, not gonna happen. How many years of that deal left after this season?

markus1234 · 04-11-2014, 08:19 AM

What's the point in playing Dirk 40+min if he does not get the ball ?

Dirk was wide open plenty of times, but Calderon and Devin ignore him (and carlisle accepts it). Painful to watch.

LonghornDub · 04-11-2014, 08:50 AM

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With Dick Carlisle your head coach, not gonna happen. How many years of that deal left after this season?

Is this a bit?

No, I mean seriously, are you doing a bit?

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Also, I don't think this win invalidates this roster or anything like that... it's flawed, especially defensively, but it's still a top-10 roster in the league... probably better than that if you consider that Wright has been the best- or second-best bench player on the roster and he missed the first third of the season.

I think there still needs to be a change in the makeup of the roster so we have more defensive versatility, but the current guys are still more talented than 20-25 teams in the league. San Antonio just happens to be a much better team.

As usual, spree is spot on here. I would also go a step further and say that San Antonio is the only team in the entire league that I think the Mavs could not possibly beat in a 7-game series (assuming full health). The Mavs are good enough to potentially beat any other team, even the Thunder, Clippers, or Heat.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-11-2014, 08:56 AM

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As usual, spree is spot on here. I would also go a step further and say that San Antonio is the only team in the entire league that I think the Mavs could not possibly beat in a 7-game series (assuming full health). The Mavs are good enough to potentially beat any other team, even the Thunder, Clippers, or Heat.

This, this, this.

Budapest Maverick · 04-11-2014, 10:12 AM

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This, this, this.

No, no, no. Guys, come on now. Being optimistic is a great thing, but you are not being realistic. We have a defense that is ranked anywhere between 22nd and 25th depending on the metric you like. We have one of the worst defenses in the league this season, that consistently played average to terrible defense, all season long. Could we beat any team in one game? Sure, we have Dirk, and we have an awesome offense. Could we realistically beat the elite teams (Spurs, OKC, Heat, Clippers, Pacers) 4 times out of 7? No. Just no way. There is no if and but about this, with the defense we have intact, it is simply not a realistic expectation, unfortunately.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-11-2014, 10:39 AM

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No, no, no. Guys, come on now. Being optimistic is a great thing, but you are not being realistic. We have a defense that is ranked anywhere between 22nd and 25th depending on the metric you like. We have one of the worst defenses in the league this season, that consistently played average to terrible defense, all season long. Could we beat any team in one game? Sure, we have Dirk, and we have an awesome offense. Could we realistically beat the elite teams (Spurs, OKC, Heat, Clippers, Pacers) 4 times out of 7? No. Just no way. There is no if and but about this, with the defense we have intact, it is simply not a realistic expectation, unfortunately.

We've had a fair amount of regular season success again some of those teams though...especially OKC.

And we've had bad defensive teams that have advanced in the playoffs before. Too hard to predict who is going to turn it on the playoffs. I don't think it's unrealistic to think we have a chance against some of those teams.

LonghornDub · 04-11-2014, 10:56 AM

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No, no, no. Guys, come on now. Being optimistic is a great thing, but you are not being realistic. We have a defense that is ranked anywhere between 22nd and 25th depending on the metric you like. We have one of the worst defenses in the league this season, that consistently played average to terrible defense, all season long. Could we beat any team in one game? Sure, we have Dirk, and we have an awesome offense. Could we realistically beat the elite teams (Spurs, OKC, Heat, Clippers, Pacers) 4 times out of 7? No. Just no way. There is no if and but about this, with the defense we have intact, it is simply not a realistic expectation, unfortunately.

I don't believe anybody said it'd be a "realistic expectation" to beat those teams. I said it would be possible. I wouldn't handicap the odds very high--maybe 10 or 15 percent--but against the Spurs I'd put it closer to 1% or less. That's the point.

You can disagree, but the evidence of this season shows something more than a negligible chance against any of the non-Spurs teams. Remember that we're talking about odds here, not certainties.

DirkFTW · 04-11-2014, 12:20 PM

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I agree with the bearded white guy in the red shirt.

Budapest Maverick · 04-11-2014, 01:36 PM

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I don't believe anybody said it'd be a "realistic expectation" to beat those teams. I said it would be possible. I wouldn't handicap the odds very high--maybe 10 or 15 percent--but against the Spurs I'd put it closer to 1% or less. That's the point.

You can disagree, but the evidence of this season shows something more than a negligible chance against any of the non-Spurs teams. Remember that we're talking about odds here, not certainties.

Sure, if you put it that way (10% chance) i have to agree, but the "we could beat anybody not named the Spurs" thing kind of sounded like realistic expectations.

HopeIsAlwaysThere · 04-11-2014, 02:02 PM

If Ellis is that bad, we won't be having 48 wins right now, I think he is doing a great job in the first season, not only as a Robin, but sometimes he shows as a Batman.
He lead the league in drive, and what more you expect him to do for his first season as a Mav, we need a better defensive SF or a PG who can mark a two, time will tell, still got two games left, don't give your comments so easily.

sike · 04-11-2014, 02:21 PM

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As usual, spree is spot on here. I would also go a step further and say that San Antonio is the only team in the entire league that I think the Mavs could not possibly beat in a 7-game series (assuming full health). The Mavs are good enough to potentially beat any other team, even the Thunder, Clippers, or Heat.

"Welcome the 1st round of the NBA playoffs where The Dallas Mavericks will be battling the _______!"

Ugh

Underdog · 04-11-2014, 03:03 PM

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"Welcome the 1st round of the NBA playoffs where The Dallas Mavericks will be battling the _______!"

Ugh

"Welcome the 1st round of the NBA playoffs where The Dallas Mavericks will be battling the poopyheads!"

I love Mad Libs...

Kante · 04-11-2014, 03:18 PM

markus only shows up after losses to bash the team with some idiotic posts, which are to be fair very very bad, so respect for that consistency!

LonghornDub · 04-11-2014, 03:43 PM

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markus only shows up after losses to bash the team with some idiotic posts, which are to be fair very very bad, so respect for that consistency!

I'd rather be consistently bad than inconsistent. -- Socrates

HopeIsAlwaysThere · 04-11-2014, 03:44 PM

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markus only shows up after losses to bash the team with some idiotic posts, which are to be fair very very bad, so respect for that consistency!

I do hate that, we can't win every games, but show some support even we lost, not just criticizing them.

jay3189 · 04-11-2014, 04:20 PM

We still control our own destiny for the playoff fight. But last night against Spurs, our 3pt defense was disgusting. Patty Mills was open like 6 times behind the arc, Belinelli was open like 3 times, Leonard was open like 3 times. Spurs had wide open 3's all night.

HopeIsAlwaysThere · 04-11-2014, 04:50 PM

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We still control our own destiny for the playoff fight. But last night against Spurs, our 3pt defense was disgusting. Patty Mills was open like 6 times behind the arc, Belinelli was open like 3 times, Leonard was open like 3 times. Spurs had wide open 3's all night.

In the off season, we must upgrade the PG/SG

Either sign a Point Guard who can defend the two, so that Ellis can start at the two
Or sign a Shooting Guard who can defend the one or two, so Calderon or Ellis can start at the point, or one of them move the sixth man role.

Even we upgrade our SF to Deng, or sign Gortat as a starting centre, if we want to compete, I believe we can't have a SG which is undersize, Jet can play two, mostly because Kidd is quite big and can guard the two, while Jet can guard the point. I do hope Ledo can step up, I saw some of his games, he was quite fast and shoot the ball really well, he is thin though but he got size - 6 foot 7

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-11-2014, 05:21 PM

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Sure, if you put it that way (10% chance) i have to agree, but the "we could beat anybody not named the Spurs" thing kind of sounded like realistic expectations.

I'd adjust it more to how well the team plays against said competition. If we take the Spurs or OKC to 7 games and still lose, then I'd consider that a pretty successful season.

DirkFTW · 04-11-2014, 05:27 PM

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"Welcome the 1st round of the NBA playoffs where The Dallas Mavericks will be battling the referees!"

Crap, now I'm banned from the Suns game...

sike · 04-11-2014, 06:29 PM

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I'd rather be consistently bad than inconsistent. -- Socrates

But where is Socrates now? DEAD! That's right, I WIN, cuz I'm alive!

purplefrog · 04-11-2014, 09:01 PM

How many teams have won 48 games and not made the playoffs? I can't believe it is more than a couple. The West has some great teams this year (stating the obvious) and you can't blame this version of the Mavs or the coach or the front office if they barely make the playoffs or finish 9th. In my opinion, this team has had a very good season and the immediate future is actually pretty bright if you can add one or two pieces to shore up the defense.

I'm not sure that I would trade anyone on this team. Let's give them another year to gel and see what happens. Use the bit of salary cap space to add a couple of defensive specialists and maybe let Blair, Mekel, and Sarge go to make room on the roster.

I actually think our Mavs are going to make the cut and make some noise in the playoffs. Call me an optimist. It makes life a lot more enjoyable.

sike · 04-11-2014, 10:13 PM

Spurs came back to beat the Suns tonight. Currently its 7.Mavs, 8.Grizz, 9.PHX