2014 Offseason Thread - Page 59 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

hayth.james.g · 07-15-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Question: Given that Dirk still has not officially signed, do we take that as an indication that the Mavs are still swinging for something big? Otherwise, we would have moved on to free agents signing for the minimum, correct?

BG posted a page or two ago that Cuban said he had no intention of lowering Dirk or Harris' contract. He said (and I might be paraphrasing) "I wouldn't do that to those guys".

Thespiralgoeson · 07-15-2014, 01:43 PM

I can't imagine any scenario in which the Mavs are comfortable playing Monta at point for any extended period of time. That's just not a recipe for success. It's really too bad we don't still have Jason Kidd around- he and Ellis would be perfect together. That's what you need when you have an undersized, lightning fast shooting guard- a big point guard who can guard the other team's 2 and shoot the three.

BGMaverick9 · 07-15-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

BG posted a page or two ago that Cuban said he had no intention of lowering Dirk or Harris' contract. He said (and I might be paraphrasing) "I wouldn't do that to those guys".

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...reements-stand

Thespiralgoeson · 07-15-2014, 01:43 PM

** Double post. Damn, what is with that today?

EricaLubarsky · 07-15-2014, 01:48 PM

The only reason Mavs have yet to sign Dirk and Harris is so that they can stay under the cap to help some of their old guys get better salaries, possibly picking up some cash or second rounders in the process.

Marion and Blair both need a place to play and as long as we don't sign Dirk and Harris, we'll be under the cap enough to do sign-and-trades so we can sign both guys for more then the minimum and trade them away to teams over the cap. The only limitation is that we can only receive picks, cash and rights to players and cannot get players in return or Dirk/Harris will have to get less, which Cuban has said won't happen.

tap2390 · 07-15-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The only reason Mavs have yet to sign Dirk and Harris is so that they can stay under the cap to help some of their old guys get better salaries, possibly picking up some cash or second rounders in the process.

Marion and Blair both need a place to play and as long as we don't sign Dirk and Harris, we'll be under the cap enough to do sign-and-trades so we can sign both guys for more then the minimum and trade them away to teams over the cap. The only limitation is that we can only receive picks, cash and rights to players and cannot get players in return or Dirk/Harris will have to get less, which Cuban has said won't happen.

We can't trade them to teams over the cap without receiving something back in salary unless the other team has a trade exception (assuming Marion/ Blair get more than the min.)

grndmstr_c · 07-15-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

We can't trade them to teams over the cap without receiving something back in salary unless the other team has a trade exception (assuming Marion/ Blair get more than the min.)

TE or a third team to absorb salary would do.

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Keep in mind Monta could bolt next year for a more lucrative contract and probably will.

He could... But we could also go over the cap to re-sign him and keep him in Dallas long-term.

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

BG posted a page or two ago that Cuban said he had no intention of lowering Dirk or Harris' contract. He said (and I might be paraphrasing) "I wouldn't do that to those guys".

‏@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Dirk Nowitzki has taken bigger pay cut than previously thought. Deal finalized today at three years, $25 mil for Mavs lifer

@ESPNSteinLine: Anticipated deal for Dirk was a structure like Tim Duncan's deal w/Spurs, but he took $5 mil less to help facilitate Chandler Parsons move

hayth.james.g · 07-15-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

He could... But we could also go over the cap to re-sign him and keep him in Dallas long-term.

In all honesty we are looking at a Chandler Parsons scenario but with the roles flipped. We will shoot for a Love, Aldridge, Gasol, and tell MOnte to opt out and look at his options. We will then either land one of the big 3 and match Monte's 12 mill a year offer (my projection) or miss on the superstars and resign ourselves to keeping the same team but flip flopping Chandler and Monte's contracts.

hayth.james.g · 07-15-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

‏@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Dirk Nowitzki has taken bigger pay cut than previously thought. Deal finalized today at three years, $25 mil for Mavs lifer

Curious on what is reason is. Obviously still trying to make a play if this is the case. Is it for Miller or Mo or both? Stephenson?

hayth.james.g · 07-15-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

‏@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Dirk Nowitzki has taken bigger pay cut than previously thought. Deal finalized today at three years, $25 mil for Mavs lifer

@ESPNSteinLine: Anticipated deal for Dirk was a structure like Tim Duncan's deal w/Spurs, but he took $5 mil less to help facilitate Chandler Parsons move

Based on this how can anyone argue we overpaid for Parsons. Ok so he gets more money, but Dirk is essentially paying for him personally. LONG LIVE THE 7 FOOT GERMAN!

spreedom · 07-15-2014, 02:41 PM

Jesus, Dirk... he must have really wanted Parsons. What an awesome leader Dirk is.

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 02:44 PM

Dirk is going to be making about the same as Monta Ellis per year...

Male30Dan · 07-15-2014, 02:45 PM

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Jesus, Dirk... he must have really wanted Parsons. What an awesome leader Dirk is.

That is so funny - those are the exact 2 words I said to myself when I read the news (Jesus Dirk)... No lie!

How lucky we are as fans of this franchise to have Dirk as our cornerstone. I mean, really.

alby · 07-15-2014, 02:45 PM

Good God, Dirk. That is a super discount. We owe him another ring. #MFFL

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 02:48 PM

@kevinbrolan: dirk renegotiated sunday evening after germany won the world cup. blackout drunkenly quoted as saying "I DON'T EVEN CARRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!"

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-15-2014, 02:51 PM

Who needs money when you're a demigod?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-15-2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Jesus, Dirk... he must have really wanted Parsons. What an awesome leader Dirk is.

And whatever player Dirk wants, I want too. That's why Ellis isn't going anywhere.

jasonic · 07-15-2014, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@kevinbrolan: dirk renegotiated sunday evening after germany won the world cup. blackout drunkenly quoted as saying "I DON'T EVEN CARRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!"

Germany should won the Mundobasket so we can resign Dirk to 20 millions for 3 years then.

Melonhead · 07-15-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

‏@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say Dirk Nowitzki has taken bigger pay cut than previously thought. Deal finalized today at three years, $25 mil for Mavs lifer

@ESPNSteinLine: Anticipated deal for Dirk was a structure like Tim Duncan's deal w/Spurs, but he took $5 mil less to help facilitate Chandler Parsons move

Wow. Stunned. No words. I wish I could marry Dirk just to tell him how loyal he is. Cuban/Mavs owe this man another ring.

I would like to know if Dirk or Cuban initiated this Sunday night thing

Mav Addict · 07-15-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Who needs money when you're a demigod?

A demigod he is. I would assume that Dirk's a cheap ass and has all $80M from his deal 4 years ago.

EricaLubarsky · 07-15-2014, 03:14 PM

Dirk better have a standing offer for the rest of his life to work for the Mavs.

alby · 07-15-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk better have a standing offer for the rest of his life to work for the Mavs.

minority owner for sure

Mav Addict · 07-15-2014, 03:19 PM

So now in addition to the $2.7M remaining there is another $2M to add to that total. Its clear that the MBT are not done as Donnie mentioned yesterday, but I wonder what do they have in mind?

Mike Miller?
Mo Williams?
Lance Stephenson?

Mav Addict · 07-15-2014, 03:19 PM

DP

LonghornDub · 07-15-2014, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I would like to know if Dirk or Cuban initiated this Sunday night thing

The Sunday night was a joke, if you're talking about the tweet posted above about the WC final.

Male30Dan · 07-15-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

So now in addition to the $2.7M remaining there is another $2M to add to that total. Its clear that the MBT are not done as Donnie mentioned yesterday, but I wonder what do they have in mind?

Mike Miller?
Mo Williams?
Lance Stephenson?

Not to harp on this now, but could we potentially send Wright, a couple of the younger cheaper guys (Mekel/Ledo for just shy of 2M), a 2M trade exception and 2 1st round picks to Indiana IF we wanted to for a resigned Stephenson at 10M per (may have to add someone else or whatever to get the money right)? Just thinking that now we wouldn't necessarily HAVE to include Felton since most thing he's a deal breaker...

alby · 07-15-2014, 03:26 PM

Anyone with me on the Rondo train?

I honestly see no weaknesses with a Rondo/Ellis/Parsons/Nowitzki/Chandler starting 5.

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

Not to harp on this now, but could we potentially send Wright, a couple of the younger cheaper guys (Mekel/Ledo for just shy of 2M), a 2M trade exception and 2 1st round picks to Indiana IF we wanted to for a resigned Stephenson at 10M per (may have to add someone else or whatever to get the money right)? Just thinking that now we wouldn't necessarily HAVE to include Felton since most thing he's a deal breaker...

We could do something similar to get Bledsoe too...

Mav Addict · 07-15-2014, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

Not to harp on this now, but could we potentially send Wright, a couple of the younger cheaper guys (Mekel/Ledo for just shy of 2M), a 2M trade exception and 2 1st round picks to Indiana IF we wanted to for a resigned Stephenson at 10M per (may have to add someone else or whatever to get the money right)? Just thinking that now we wouldn't necessarily HAVE to include Felton since most thing he's a deal breaker...

If the Mavs want Stephenson all is needed is Wright and Felton's contract which will net you $9M ...thats pretty much overpaying him now that his stock is
dropping by the minute.

alby · 07-15-2014, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

We could do something similar to get Bledsoe too...

I rather have Bledsoe.

Mav Addict · 07-15-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anyone with me on the Rondo train?

I honestly see no weaknesses with a Rondo/Ellis/Parsons/Nowitzki/Chandler starting 5.

For some odd reason this board seem to think that Rondo and Monte does not mesh as both have an incosistent shots and their strengths lie in driving ....my thoughts is that Rondo is a fit for ANY team, shot or no shot.

Male30Dan · 07-15-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

We could do something similar to get Bledsoe too...

I could be down with that too ultimately...

Underdog · 07-15-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anyone with me on the Rondo train?

I honestly see no weaknesses with a Rondo/Ellis/Parsons/Nowitzki/Chandler starting 5.

Totally on board, but I'm not sure if the Celtics couldn't do better than what we can offer... But he is a UFA next summer, and Dirk's discount extends over the length of his contract, so add another ~$2m to what we can offer Rondo outright.

EricaLubarsky · 07-15-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Question: Given that Dirk still has not officially signed, do we take that as an indication that the Mavs are still swinging for something big? Otherwise, we would have moved on to free agents signing for the minimum, correct?

We're already signing vets at the min (Jefferson)

And we traded for guys at the min (Smith)

Only reason Dirk hasn't signed yet is because we want the cap room to sign and trade Marion and Blair so they can get bigger deals. Once they have a home, Dirk will get a deal.

Male30Dan · 07-15-2014, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anyone with me on the Rondo train?

I honestly see no weaknesses with a Rondo/Ellis/Parsons/Nowitzki/Chandler starting 5.

Backcourt shooting as the lone negative, I would still be on board for this too (assuming he's signed - no trading for 1 year mess).

alby · 07-15-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

For some odd reason this board seem to think that Rondo and Monte does not mesh as both have an incosistent shots and their strengths lie in driving ....my thoughts is that Rondo is a fit for ANY team, shot or no shot.

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Totally on board, but I'm not sure if the Celtics couldn't do better than what we can offer... But he is a UFA next summer, and Dirk's discount extends over the length of his contract, so add another ~$2m to what we can offer Rondo outright.

Adding Rondo would make us instant contenders IMHO. All 5 players can play pick and roll. Zach Lowe would never stop writing about our offense lol.

Plus, you add Rondo's defense to Tyson's anchor. Goodness gracious.

FreshJive · 07-15-2014, 03:37 PM

lol

Dwain Price @DwainPrice · 34m
#Mavs make it official and sign Dirk Nowitzki to a 3-year, $30 million contract.

alby · 07-15-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

Backcourt shooting as the lone negative, I would still be on board for this too (assuming he's signed - no trading for 1 year mess).

Backcourt shooting (lack of) is somewhat negated by our frontcourt shooting. With Rondo and Monta probing, and Chandler and Dirk spotting up, Nellie may come back from the dead just to go to the games.