Mavs get Parsons!!!

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Are these conference calls new this year? I don't remember them in years past.

They had some last year at least with the rookies. It was fun to hear what Larkin and James had to say on there.

[rabbitproof]

No one directly involved with the Parsons negotiations will confirm it, but it is widely suspected around the league that Dan Fegan, the lead agent representing Parsons and Howard, made it clear that accelerating Parsons’s payday was an unofficial part of the Howard contract.

http://grantland.com/features/2014-n...ndler-parsons/

[sefant77]

I love how Parsons is in Houston now the cocky douche blabla. I mean seriously, they should focus on their own superstar douches. The nightclub stripper banger, who thinks he doesnt even need to try on defense. And the other, the proclaimed best center in the league and as that doesnt need to play any PnR - and after this offseason probably has more baby mommas than successful PnR plays in a Rockets jersey.

Yeah Parsons is the bad guy, the guy who wants to prove himself as a star. And he knows that with RC and Dirk he wont have any excuse..

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

No one directly involved with the Parsons negotiations will confirm it, but it is widely suspected around the league that Dan Fegan, the lead agent representing Parsons and Howard, made it clear that accelerating Parsons’s payday was an unofficial part of the Howard contract.

http://grantland.com/features/2014-n...ndler-parsons/

Makes a lot of sense, in fact the ONLY thing that makes sense when it comes to Houston not picking up the team option. Kid was the most underpaid player in the league and would have been again in 14-15. Only thing that makes sense is Fagan, Parsons, or someone else demanded (or arranged beforehand) for Parsons to become a free agent to get paid sooner.

[hayth.james.g]

Was going thru some Chandler Parsons interviews. Check out this one from "The Nation" a year ago. His response to Dwight Howard talking about a 3rd max contract guy after originally signing. It's in the first minute of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h57gJGLceo8

[Melonhead]

I do think he is cocky. He does seem to talk alot. Parsons said he was the best SF in the NBA. Yet Batum totally embarrassed him in that series. We will see how it all plays out this season.

He also talks about proving his contract worth and not scratching the surface, well it better happen fast because the pressure is on.

[BGMaverick9]

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2014/07/...e-call-quotes/

His full remarks.
VERY interesting stuff.

[ty]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Are these conference calls new this year? I don't remember them in years past.

30 years from now, we'll look back and thank Adam Silver for:

1. Lifetime bans
2. Hefty fines
3. Implementation of conference calls

[bigcat]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2014/07/...e-call-quotes/

His full remarks.
VERY interesting stuff.

He can certainly talk the talk, but to answer "for sure" to the question "if he feels like he could be the face of the franchise when Dirk decides to call it a career", wow...

Let me put it this way: I hope he can walk the walk to 80% of his talk.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by bigcat

He can certainly talk the talk, but to answer "for sure" to the question "if he feels like he could be the face of the franchise when Dirk decides to call it a career", wow...

Let me put it this way: I hope he can walk the walk to 80% of his talk.

There's swagger. He's diplomatic but confident. I think he'll back it up.

From what I've gathered, there's only brief windows between now and when he has to report to Vegas. He might not see Carlisle before that, but they're going to be in constant communication.

[alby]

I'm good with it

[sike]

http://www.mavs.com/chandler-parsons-phone-interview/

Listen to that phone interview and tell me it doesn't get you even more pumped about this kid's future.

Sounds so sharp.

[dirt_dobber]

I can invision him playing a bit of "point-forward" for a few possessions here and there with since Crowder, Jefferson, and Lewis can all play the 3 spot. That would be a tall lineup/changeup to throw at teams.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by sike

http://www.mavs.com/chandler-parsons-phone-interview/

Listen to that phone interview and tell me it doesn't get you even more pumped about this kid's future.

Sounds so sharp.

thanks for the tip sike - sounds like the kid has a good head on his shoulder.

[tsar]

Can the season start already? I know Mavs aren't finished yet but damn... this has been one of the more exciting off seasons in a long time. I'm getting on the hype train and anxiously waiting for game 1 of 82.

[sike]

Originally Posted by tsar

Can the season start already? I know Mavs aren't finished yet but damn... this has been one of the more exciting off seasons in a long time. I'm getting on the hype train and anxiously waiting for game 1 of 82.

Totally agree.

*Lets just remember this before we complain about the MBT. There is no doubt Cuban really does want to win. So many pro sports owners are only about $. Cubans is clearly about winning AND $. We should remember to be thankful for that.

[Skywalker]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/rocket...-his-own-game/

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by sike

Totally agree.

*Lets just remember this before we complain about the MBT. There is no doubt Cuban really does want to win. So many pro sports owners are only about $. Cubans is clearly about winning AND $. We should remember to be thankful for that.

As we see with Jerry Jones, it isn't all about wanting to win. I doubt any owner in the NFL wants to win more than Jerry.. but that still doesn't mean that people that want it really badly can't totally screw up a situation.

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/rocket...-his-own-game/

“If you want to win the title, you have to be the team that finds the Chandler Parsons, not the ones that gives that Chandler Parsons the max contract. You look at the Spurs… they’re the ones that find guys… not the ones that go out and chases guys that other people find.

We couldn’t turn a great decision, which is obviously drafting Parsons at 38 a docuple years ago — and of course if we hadn’t made that great decision no one would be talking about anything right now — but we can’t turn that great decision into a bad decisoin by mathcng what contract he got… Our odds of winning the title are now higher by not matching.”


He can't be serious speaking on the Spurs. He chased Harden and Howard, so why is he speaking about not chasing players? His philosophy is the total opposite as the Spurs.

So the odds of winning are higher without Parsons, IF they CHASE a star player. GTFO Morey!!!

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by sike

Totally agree.

*Lets just remember this before we complain about the MBT. There is no doubt Cuban really does want to win. So many pro sports owners are only about $. Cubans is clearly about winning AND $. We should remember to be thankful for that.

Well any argument that Cuban isn't willing to spend is well out the window. That plus Dirk taking a huge pay cut has me verrrrry tempted to get a 10 game plan.

August and September are going to feel long.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by tsar

Can the season start already? I know Mavs aren't finished yet but damn... this has been one of the more exciting off seasons in a long time. I'm getting on the hype train and anxiously waiting for game 1 of 82.

Who says money can't buy happiness???
It's been a long time since Mavs fans have had the opportunity to watch the FO go FA shopping with this much money in their pockets.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Mav Addict

“If you want to win the title, you have to be the team that finds the Chandler Parsons, not the ones that gives that Chandler Parsons the max contract. You look at the Spurs… they’re the ones that find guys… not the ones that go out and chases guys that other people find.

We couldn’t turn a great decision, which is obviously drafting Parsons at 38 a docuple years ago — and of course if we hadn’t made that great decision no one would be talking about anything right now — but we can’t turn that great decision into a bad decisoin by mathcng what contract he got… Our odds of winning the title are now higher by not matching.”


He can't be serious speaking on the Spurs. He chased Harden and Howard, so why is he speaking about not chasing players? His philosophy is the total opposite as the Spurs.

So the odds of winning are higher without Parsons, IF they CHASE a star player. GTFO Morey!!!

He's trying to save face but the truth is the only reason he's highly regarded is because of a decent draft record and the Harden trade. Every other move they've made indicates Morey is a below average GM who thinks he's playing 2K. His comments will come back to bite him in the ass. If you're not the "3rd star" Morey is chasing why would you go to a Rockets team that views you as trade fodder? Me thinks Morey is long gone by the time the Rockets make any playoff noise.

[45-South]

Hi guys. Friendly Rockets/Texas fan here

Please ignore the butt hurt coming from down the road. You guys got yourselves a good young solid player in CP25. He's improved his game every year since he's been in the league (he transformed himself into a point forward after his rookie season just to give you an example of how hard he works). He's a stat filler but he also brings the intangibles that you don't see on the stat sheet. He's the guy that really made the Rockets offense run smooth. I'm expecting him to take steps (plural) forward this year under a great (real) coach and watching how a championship winning super star like Dirk does it. He's going to fit great with the system Carlisle runs.

You guys are going to love this kid. I promise. I watch a lot of Dallas games this past season and I wouldn't be surprised if CP25 is the 2nd best player on your team by the time the season starts.

Greg Smith, spent just about all of his rookie year in the D-League. Limited offensive skill set but he's great coming off the bench to back up the 4-5 positions. He was a big help to us his 2nd year when we made the playoffs. He even got some starts as well. Had some double digit rebound games, one of which he pulled down 19 boards. We really missed him last season. If he's healthy he should be a good add to the bench.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Hi guys. Friendly Rockets/Texas fan here

Please ignore the butt hurt coming from down the road. You guys got yourselves a good young solid player in CP25. He's improved his game every year since he's been in the league (he transformed himself into a point forward after his rookie season just to give you an example of how hard he works). He's a stat filler but he also brings the intangibles that you don't see on the stat sheet. He's the guy that really made the Rockets offense run smooth. I'm expecting him to take steps (plural) forward this year under a great (real) coach and watching how a championship winning super star like Dirk does it. He's going to fit great with the system Carlisle runs.

You guys are going to love this kid. I promise. I watch a lot of Dallas games this past season and I wouldn't be surprised if CP25 is the 2nd best player on your team by the time the season starts.

Greg Smith, spent just about all of his rookie year in the D-League. Limited offensive skill set but he's great coming off the bench to back up the 4-5 positions. He was a big help to us his 2nd year when we made the playoffs. He even got some starts as well. Had some double digit rebound games, one of which he pulled down 19 boards. We really missed him last season. If he's healthy he should be a good add to the bench.

Welcome to the board! Love your insight on Greg Smith. I haven't watched or payed alot of attention to his game. I am hoping he is everything you just said. If so I feel like it will be a nice match. Anyways thanks for the kind words and thoughtful insight on CP25 and Smith. Come around anytime!

P.S. Love the name.

[Mav Addict]

Originally Posted by tap2390

He's trying to save face but the truth is the only reason he's highly regarded is because of a decent draft record and the Harden trade. Every other move they've made indicates Morey is a below average GM who thinks he's playing 2K. His comments will come back to bite him in the ass. If you're not the "3rd star" Morey is chasing why would you go to a Rockets team that views you as trade fodder? Me thinks Morey is long gone by the time the Rockets make any playoff noise.

He is digging his own grave, and at the same time giving CP extra motivation.

[45-South]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Welcome to the board! Love your insight on Greg Smith. I haven't watched or payed alot of attention to his game. I am hoping he is everything you just said. If so I feel like it will be a nice match. Anyways thanks for the kind words and thoughtful insight on CP25 and Smith. Come around anytime!

P.S. Love the name.

Thank you hayth.james

Now I'm not making any promises about Greg Smith. Lol. He did have some brain farts on the court but like I said it was his 1st year of consistent playing time and when we needed him he stepped up.

As far as CP25. I'll bet money he'll be great for the Mavs especially in a controlled offense. He's a confident guy with a HUGE chip on his shoulder, and Morey saying something as classless as "you don't give guys like Parsons max contracts" is just like being at the gas station adding fuel to his fire.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Thank you hayth.james

Now I'm not making any promises about Greg Smith. Lol. He did have some brain farts on the court but like I said it was his 1st year of consistent playing time and when we needed him he stepped up.

As far as CP25. I'll bet money he'll be great for the Mavs especially in a controlled offense. He's a confident guy with a HUGE chip on his shoulder, and Morey saying something as classless as "you don't give guys like Parsons max contracts" is just like being at the gas station adding fuel to his fire.

Yeah, I kind of understood where Morey was coming from with some of his responses in that interview. I think that he could of been much more graceful about the whole thing. Just not his style. Alot of people on the Houston boards were ripping Cuban and saying the move was more about sticking it to Morey.. I never perceived it that way. I felt like ANYTHING less would of kept Parsons in Houston. Dallas had to be as aggressive as possible to have any chance at peeling Parsons away. Sure Morey and Cuban have some bad blood, but the entire deal seemed strategical. Overpaying on Parsons made sense for the Mavs.

On the topic of how Parsons will fare now with the big contract and more expectations, I would lean towards the side of very well. Like you mentioned before, our offense is a nice match for a SF who can move without the ball and hit the open jumper. The real question marks in Parsons game is how well he can do when a defense keys on him, can he get tougher on both sides in the paint, and if his defense can evolve. I think all of those questions are valid reasons to question the size of his contract. I think point one is irrelevant for the 3 year contract. For the foreseeable future, the offense will flow more through Harris/Felton, Ellis, and Dirk than Parsons. I think the majority of his looks will be through spacing, fast breaks, and good cuts to the basket on the back side. Questions two and 3 are my biggest concerns, and it will just have to remain to be seen how far he can progress. I think working with Dirk will help him tremendously to be more aggressive offensively in the paint. By the end of his contract here, I would not be surprised at all to see him operating by backing down his opponents more.

Anyways, once again I love the conversation. Anytime I can talk to a fan who loves his team but is open to just genuine conversation that doesn't have to revolve around bashing each other teams I am up for it. Makes the game much more enjoyable imo.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Thank you hayth.james

Now I'm not making any promises about Greg Smith. Lol. He did have some brain farts on the court but like I said it was his 1st year of consistent playing time and when we needed him he stepped up.

As far as CP25. I'll bet money he'll be great for the Mavs especially in a controlled offense. He's a confident guy with a HUGE chip on his shoulder, and Morey saying something as classless as "you don't give guys like Parsons max contracts" is just like being at the gas station adding fuel to his fire.

Brain farts are to be expected from rookies. Very unusual if they do not. Love hard working guys, they permeate through an organization.

[dude1394]

I was watching parsons post ups against smaller guys and he looked stellar to me. Even dirk like with an array of turnarounds, step backs and other moves.

Carlisle used to like to go to Marion quite a bit in the post when there was a mismatch, but Marion was as likely to throw it off the top of the backboard as in the hole. (I loved Marion but his offense was so wild-ass that it always made me laugh).

I could see him getting a lot more of that off pnrs. IF we have a point that can recognize the mismatch. Luckily the dirkster calls a lot of the mismatches out these days.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by 45-South

Thank you hayth.james

Now I'm not making any promises about Greg Smith. Lol. He did have some brain farts on the court but like I said it was his 1st year of consistent playing time and when we needed him he stepped up.

As far as CP25. I'll bet money he'll be great for the Mavs especially in a controlled offense. He's a confident guy with a HUGE chip on his shoulder, and Morey saying something as classless as "you don't give guys like Parsons max contracts" is just like being at the gas station adding fuel to his fire.

I am really grateful to you for sharing your insight on the former Houston players we are getting. No one knows better than a true fan.

I'm not sure where the negativity is coming from on either side. Its been a 9 years since those McGrady-Dirk shootouts, which were damned fun to watch. However, I'm up for a rivalry. With the Lakers and Magic on the downstroke, we have an opening for a competitor that is not on I-35. Maybe that's what Mark and Morey are up to---stirring things up. It should be fun.

[45-South]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Yeah, I kind of understood where Morey was coming from with some of his responses in that interview. I think that he could of been much more graceful about the whole thing. Just not his style. Alot of people on the Houston boards were ripping Cuban and saying the move was more about sticking it to Morey.. I never perceived it that way. I felt like ANYTHING less would of kept Parsons in Houston. Dallas had to be as aggressive as possible to have any chance at peeling Parsons away. Sure Morey and Cuban have some bad blood, but the entire deal seemed strategical. Overpaying on Parsons made sense for the Mavs.

On the topic of how Parsons will fare now with the big contract and more expectations, I would lean towards the side of very well. Like you mentioned before, our offense is a nice match for a SF who can move without the ball and hit the open jumper. The real question marks in Parsons game is how well he can do when a defense keys on him, can he get tougher on both sides in the paint, and if his defense can evolve. I think all of those questions are valid reasons to question the size of his contract. I think point one is irrelevant for the 3 year contract. For the foreseeable future, the offense will flow more through Harris/Felton, Ellis, and Dirk than Parsons. I think the majority of his looks will be through spacing, fast breaks, and good cuts to the basket on the back side. Questions two and 3 are my biggest concerns, and it will just have to remain to be seen how far he can progress. I think working with Dirk will help him tremendously to be more aggressive offensively in the paint. By the end of his contract here, I would not be surprised at all to see him operating by backing down his opponents more.

Anyways, once again I love the conversation. Anytime I can talk to a fan who loves his team but is open to just genuine conversation that doesn't have to revolve around bashing each other teams I am up for it. Makes the game much more enjoyable imo.

I'm not with the Texas "HATE" triangle. I like all the teams in Texas and you guys have a nice forum from what I've seen with knowledgeable posters.

As far as the contract situation, some fans like myself were saying CP25 would get $13-$14 million a year last year so I don't view it as overpaying. I think he's worth it.

You're right about what you said about him offensively and he can also get hot from 3pt range (he had a game were he hit 10 straight 3's in one half). And as I said he's a point forward. The Rockets starting point guard hardly handled the ball, Harden and Parsons handled those duties. That's why Rick Carlisle said he would also use him at the point. He's a very good passer and has good court vision (several games with over 7 assist one with 11). And NO WAY he's taking a back seat to Felton and Harris. And I don't think he's going to take one to Monta either.

As far as his defense _ here's a short clip I found.
Watch "Chandler Parson Defensive Clips" on YouTube
Chandler Parson Defensive Clips: http://youtu.be/bn041-Iml0w
He's even shut down D-Will before.

Anything you don't like about CP25, push that to the side until Carlisle gets his hands on him.

[dude1394]

Thanks for the defensive clip. It seemed like parsons was the starter that was used to sort of anchor the second unit. Lot of time out there with asik/Lin and no harden/Dwight.

Was that the case, if so was he the go to guy on that unit or not?

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by Mav Addict

“If you want to win the title, you have to be the team that finds the Chandler Parsons, not the ones that gives that Chandler Parsons the max contract. You look at the Spurs… they’re the ones that find guys… not the ones that go out and chases guys that other people find.

We couldn’t turn a great decision, which is obviously drafting Parsons at 38 a docuple years ago — and of course if we hadn’t made that great decision no one would be talking about anything right now — but we can’t turn that great decision into a bad decisoin by mathcng what contract he got… Our odds of winning the title are now higher by not matching.”


He can't be serious speaking on the Spurs. He chased Harden and Howard, so why is he speaking about not chasing players? His philosophy is the total opposite as the Spurs.

So the odds of winning are higher without Parsons, IF they CHASE a star player. GTFO Morey!!!

I think you are misunderstanding what it means to find a player. The Spurs didn't find Tim Duncan. Anybody would have taken Duncan. The Magic didn't find Dwight Howard, he was an obvious top 2 pick. The Thunder didn't find James Harden, he was an obvious top 5 pick. The Spurs found Parker and Manu with late round picks. They picked Leonard when team after team, including Morey's Rockets, passed on him. Almost everybody can find the obvious top 5 talent because that's where the stars almost always come from. He's saying that you have to hit it big with later draft picks or pickups.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

I think you are misunderstanding what it means to find a player. The Spurs didn't find Tim Duncan. Anybody would have taken Duncan. The Magic didn't find Dwight Howard, he was an obvious top 2 pick. The Thunder didn't find James Harden, he was an obvious top 5 pick. The Spurs found Parker and Manu with late round picks. They picked Leonard when team after team, including Morey's Rockets, passed on him. Almost everybody can find the obvious top 5 talent because that's where the stars almost always come from. He's saying that you have to hit it big with later draft picks or pickups.

I think you are misunderstanding what he said.

His comment was that MOREY chased after Harden and Dwight to build his recent team - he wasn't commenting on how Harden and Dwight first made it into the league.

Mav Addict is saying that the spurs DO find talent in later rounds, and that Morey has not done that (aside from Parsons). I think you need to re-read his post.

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

I think you are misunderstanding what he said.

His comment was that MOREY chased after Harden and Dwight to build his recent team - he wasn't commenting on how Harden and Dwight first made it into the league.

Mav Addict is saying that the spurs DO find talent in later rounds, and that Morey has not done that (aside from Parsons). I think you need to re-read his post.

I think you, like the original poster, are misunderstanding what Morey is saying. He's not talking about chasing stars. He's talking about chasing guys that aren't stars but instead role players like Chandler. You don't go out and spend big money on guys like Chandler that aren't stars or haven't really shown star potential. He's saying that you should be getting guys like Chandler in the draft or for cheap in free agency. You can't chase complimentary players.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

I think you, like the original poster, are misunderstanding what Morey is saying. He's not talking about chasing stars. He's talking about chasing guys that aren't stars but instead role players like Chandler. You don't go out and spend big money on guys like Chandler that aren't stars or haven't really shown star potential. He's saying that you should be getting guys like Chandler in the draft or free agency. You can't chase complimentary players.

Cough, James Harden, cough...

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Cough, James Harden, cough...

Harden had a PER of 21 and a true shooting percentage of 66% while playing over 30 minutes a game for the Thunder. Parsons has not shown anywhere close to that potential.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

Harden had a PER of 21 and a true shooting percentage of 66% while playing over 30 minutes a game for the Thunder. Parsons has not shown anywhere close to that potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYJULACcao

[gmoney411]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYJULACcao

Lucky for James that basketball is much more about offense than defense. Nobody is taking Bruce Bowen over Carmelo Anthony.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by gmoney411

Harden had a PER of 21 and a true shooting percentage of 66% while playing over 30 minutes a game for the Thunder. Parsons has not shown anywhere close to that potential.

Harden was a sixth man who had the luxury of either going up against other teams' second units or sharing the floor with Durant and Westbrook, and who'd just come off a very weak finals performance when the Rockets traded for him and gave him the max extension. That he was worth it was far from a universally accepted proposition, though I think most felt that for the Rockets, in the position they were in, it was a good move. And from my seat it sure looks like the general opinion on Parsons-to-Mavs is pretty much the same: the contract is a lot to live up to and predicated on potential moreso than on demonstrated ability, but a good move until proven otherwise given the current state of affairs in Dallas.

At any rate, the really comical thing about Morey's statement is that he thinks he's got any business telling the Mavs how to win a championship.