Porzingis is frustrated over Knicks drama - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

NeedlesKane · 04-15-2017, 12:07 AM

I wonder if the Mavericks have a shot at him. Our system embraces such a player. I'd love it if we could manage to trade for him. If the Knicks are willing to take our top pick I'd trade it for him.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 12:15 AM

I bet Phil gets canned instead... But I wouldn't have a problem trading our 1st for him if the opportunity arose.

spreedom · 04-15-2017, 07:20 AM

I don't think we have the assets to get him. In terms of the young guys in the league right now, his value/upside is as high as anyone's.

BPo001 · 04-15-2017, 08:01 AM

There's no way in hell that organization trades him.

hayth.james.g · 04-15-2017, 08:33 AM

Two 1sts plus Curry gets it done. I'm in.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-15-2017, 09:46 AM

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Two 1sts plus Curry gets it done. I'm in.

Geez, I like Kristaps too, but two firsts is a lot to give up...esp if it's this year's and next year's picks.

hayth.james.g · 04-15-2017, 11:30 AM

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Geez, I like Kristaps too, but two firsts is a lot to give up...esp if it's this year's and next year's picks.

You don't get a franchise player like Porzingis without giving up alot. 2 1sts and a Seth Curry is what it would take. I would do it.

sefant77 · 04-15-2017, 12:20 PM

zero chance.

Knicks fans would tear down the Garden

EricaLubarsky · 04-15-2017, 03:11 PM

Will they accept two second rounders?

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 03:15 PM

Stay away from that. Just draft a younger, stronger, and better inside scorer potential like Zach Collins who's accomplished more.

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 03:16 PM

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Will they accept two second rounders?

No?

Maybe if they wanted our pick and someone else which is too much already.

Fragism · 04-15-2017, 03:28 PM

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Stay away from that. Just draft a younger, stronger, and better inside scorer potential like Zach Collins who's accomplished more.

How the hell has Zach Collins accomplished more than Kristaps Porzingis? What the hell are you talking about?

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 03:45 PM

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How the hell has Zach Collins accomplished more than Kristaps Porzingis? What the hell are you talking about?

Is on Team USA and just went to the final four. I'd even take Collins over Markkanen. Collins can adapt to NBA play right away. He's almost a faster Kevin Love if he's legit. He could eventually outscore Kristaps if he meshes right away into the NBA.

BPo001 · 04-15-2017, 04:04 PM

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Is on Team USA and just went to the final four. I'd even take Collins over Markkanen. Collins can adapt to NBA play right away. He's almost a faster Kevin Love if he's legit. He could eventually outscore Kristaps if he meshes right away into the NBA.

Did someone fall off the Markannen hype train? You've been talking that guy up for weeks.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 04:05 PM

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Is on Team USA and just went to the final four.

Yeah, accomplishments in college far outweigh accomplishments in the NBA, that's why Danny Manning > Dirk Nowitzki.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 04:07 PM

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Did someone fall off the Markannen hype train? You've been talking that guy up for weeks.

He seems to think that hyping Markannen is what got him banned for a day, so now he's going to hijack every thread with Zach Collins talk... Learning is hard.

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 04:40 PM

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Did someone fall off the Markannen hype train? You've been talking that guy up for weeks.

Collins just entered the draft a couple days ago. So now it's changed just like all draft mock boards... Collins has more upside at rebounding too. Watch the college championship game this year. He can jump into this league if Dirk can mentor him being his backup rookie year. Markkanen is now 2nd best scoring big.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 04:48 PM

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Collins just entered the draft a couple days ago. So now it's changed just like all draft mock boards... Collins has more upside at rebounding too. Watch the college championship game this year. He can jump into this league if Dirk can mentor him being his backup rookie year. Markkanen is now 2nd best scoring big.

They don't wait until a guy declares to add his name to a mock -- Zach Collins has been there for months now... Also, there's no way in hell the Mavs draft a center if their biggest offseason priority is to re-sign Noel... Also-also, this thread isn't about NBA draft prospects, it's about Porzingis.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 05:04 PM

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If the Knicks trade Anthony, the assumption is that Porzingis would be the face of the franchise and the focal point of the offense. Jackson was asked whether he thought Porzingis was ready for that kind of responsibility. "No, I don't. He's 21 years old. That's a big load for anybody to take on."

Yeah, I don't think NYC has the patience for whatever Phil is trying to do with this team... Jordan led the Bulls to the playoffs at 21 years old -- not that Porzingis is comparable, but Knicks fans aren't exactly rational when it comes to these kinds of excuses. I think Jackson's days are numbered.

hayth.james.g · 04-15-2017, 05:39 PM

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Collins just entered the draft a couple days ago. So now it's changed just like all draft mock boards... Collins has more upside at rebounding too. Watch the college championship game this year. He can jump into this league if Dirk can mentor him being his backup rookie year. Markkanen is now 2nd best scoring big.

Lol I think you deserve an award. You had me going for a week. I admit I fell for it. Well played.

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 06:35 PM

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They don't wait until a guy declares to add his name to a mock -- Zach Collins has been there for months now... Also, there's no way in hell the Mavs draft a center if their biggest offseason priority is to re-sign Noel... Also-also, this thread isn't about NBA draft prospects, it's about Porzingis.

Collins isn't a center. And this can help Noel long term. Especially after Dirk retires. Check out the mock drafts updated though. Looking good for adding a true PF this year.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 06:45 PM

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Collins isn't a center. And this can help Noel long term. Especially after Dirk retires. Check out the mock drafts updated though. Looking good for adding a true PF this year.

HARRISON BARNES IS OUR STARTING POWER FORWARD... Why is this so difficult for you to understand? The guy's career has skyrocketed at the position, that's where Carlisle wants him to play. We're not in the market for a backup PF in the draft, we need a starting PG.

sefant77 · 04-15-2017, 07:07 PM

yahyes is either stupid or just trolling...killing all the fun to talk here

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 07:10 PM

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HARRISON BARNES IS OUR STARTING POWER FORWARD... Why is this so difficult for you to understand? The guy's career has skyrocketed at the position, that's where Carlisle wants him to play. We're not in the market for a backup PF in the draft, we need a starting PG.

I didn't see anywhere Carlisle saying he wants to leave Barnes at the PF. Now he can shift sometimes but his real spot IS THE SMALL FORWARD. To guard guys like Leonard, Lebron, or all these SF's who are ideally his height. That's what I'm saying, there's nothing about us drafting anyone yet.

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 07:14 PM

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yahyes is either stupid or just trolling...killing all the fun to talk here

Because the mock draft also has Markkanen?

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 07:16 PM

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yahyes is either stupid or just trolling...killing all the fun to talk here

He certainly has zero interest in talking about Porzingis in a thread about Porzingis.

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 07:17 PM

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He certainly has zero interest in talking about Porzingis in a thread about Porzingis.

Well let's compare and contrast the draft pick on a PF this year or Prozingis? Majority don't think Prozingis wouldn't work already.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 07:34 PM

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Well let's compare and contrast the draft pick on a PF this year or Prozingis? Majority don't think Prozingis wouldn't work already.

Yeah, the fact that nobody thinks the Knicks will trade Porzingis is a perfectly good reason for you to hijack this thread so you can hype up Zach Collins instead of talking about him in the NBA Draft thread... It's not like threads are some kind of way to organize topics -- every thread is a reasonable place to have whatever conversation you want, right?

Let's compare and contrast Collins to Noel in the Noel thread! Let's compare and contrast Collins to Dirk in the Dirk thread! Let's compare and contrast the results of our final game to if we had Collins on the roster in the Final GDT! I mean, I get that tangents happen, but you're not even trying here -- you just want to talk about Zach Collins, and you don't respect this board enough to have that conversation in the appropriate place...

yahyes · 04-15-2017, 07:49 PM

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Yeah, the fact that nobody thinks the Knicks will trade Porzingis is a perfectly good reason for you to hijack this thread so you can hype up Zach Collins instead of talking about him in the NBA Draft thread... It's not like threads are some kind of way to organize topics -- every thread is a reasonable place to have whatever conversation you want, right?

Let's compare and contrast Collins to Noel in the Noel thread! Let's compare and contrast Collins to Dirk in the Dirk thread! Let's compare and contrast the results of our final game to if we had Collins on the roster in the Final GDT! I mean, I get that tangents happen, but you're not even trying here -- you just want to talk about Zach Collins, and you don't respect this board enough to have that conversation in the appropriate place...

Well I did talk about the idea of Prozingis. Ironically he's the same type player some are in the draft. Lottery picks especially. There's better than Kristaps.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 07:52 PM

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Well I did talk about the idea of Prozingis.

The extent of talking about Prozingis was literally, "Collins is better than him," then you went straight into talking about Collins... You didn't even bother to compare & contrast their games, you just made a blanket statement so you had an excuse to change the subject.

Please tell me you're trolling -- you can't really be this stupid, can you?

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 08:07 PM

Anyone want to talk about Porzingis in this thread, or should I just shut it down?

hayth.james.g · 04-15-2017, 08:24 PM

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Anyone want to talk about Porzingis in this thread, or should I just shut it down?

I'm just confused. I thought the Porzingis Convo was interesting. Farfetched but worth a conversation. Now I just don't know.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 08:35 PM

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I'm just confused. I thought the Porzingis Convo was interesting. Farfetched but worth a conversation. Now I just don't know.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the conversation; a wonderful hypothetical in what's sure to be a long, slow offseason...

I still don't think Porzingis is available for any price though -- he's the best thing that franchise has going for it... He has All-Star potential, is under contract for just $5.6m next season, then is a restricted FA in 19-20... If he DOES get traded, it's going to be for more than we can offer -- if I'm the Knicks, I want a proven franchise player in return, not just picks. They have all the leverage here.

Underdog · 04-15-2017, 09:29 PM

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I bet Phil gets canned instead...

Why Kristaps Porzingis is unhappy with Phil Jackson and the Knicks

Where there's smoke...

SMC0007 · 04-17-2017, 09:27 AM

The idea of us getting Porzingis without giving up way too much fits right in with the rest of the ridiculousness in here. gone fishin

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-17-2017, 09:53 AM

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The idea of us getting Porzingis without giving up way too much fits right in with the rest of the ridiculousness in here. gone fishin

Well he isn't getting traded so the idea is ridiculous anyway.

EricaLubarsky · 04-17-2017, 10:06 AM

Basically every discussion over a rumor of an unhappy player is ridiculous by it's very nature. The Noel/Embiid/Okafor discussion was ridiculous until it happened.

Some posters just like talking about hypotheticals.

That said, he can't be picked up via free agency and if he's traded, it won't be at least until the 2018 trade deadline if not later. This coming year is team option that the Knicks will obviously take at 5.7million-- a complete bargain. After next season he's QO/RFA. He's their centerpiece and their trying to (totally unprofessionally) dump Carmelo just to build around him. Knicks may be a train wreck of an organization, but teams get to keep their own players regardless of how bad they are. Knicks will do all they can to keep him happy and will push back the deadline for trading him back as far as they can-- perhaps even risking him leaving to maximize the time he has to make his decision, but at this point the Knicks have all the control.

This season they just exercise their team option. Next season they give him a QO and can match any contract even up to the max, meaning that if the Knicks want him they can have him for 7 years minimum (1 year TO, 6 years max contract after)

MavzMan · 04-18-2017, 08:17 AM

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The idea of us getting Porzingis without giving up way too much fits right in with the rest of the ridiculousness in here. gone fishin

If we give up Powell at 8.375 for Porzingis at 4.317, they would have to throw in something extra for matching salaries. So that makes it even more difficult. Just sayin'.

Underdog · 04-18-2017, 09:25 PM

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If we give up Powell at 8.375 for Porzingis at 4.317, they would have to throw in something extra for matching salaries. So that makes it even more difficult. Just sayin'.

You don't have to match salaries if both teams are under the cap, which they will be this summer.

EricaLubarsky · 04-18-2017, 09:56 PM

Powell for Porzingis confirmed!

Maybe they'll also throw in an unprotected first for the trouble