2019 Mavs Free Agency

[Five-ofan]

If we strike out, Thad young and Danny green would make this team a Mid tier playoff team

[taibumu]

If I was on me the decision, would be: Beverly + Randle + another one, but the last one is more difficult to choose I think

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[Male30Dan]

Can someone remind me exactly where we are from a salary cap perspective? How much do we actually have to spend (unequivocally) when factoring in everything that needs to be factored in (cap holds, opt-ins, etc)? My apologies if that has been posted again and again, but I've not seen anything firm and what Spotrac lists seems quite high...

[Five-ofan]

I wouldn't take randle if he had played for free

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I wouldn't take randle if he had played for free

Expand?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

NO declines QO for Cheick Diallo. Count me in as addition to the roster pending other strikeouts.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by saclare

Expand?

He's a terrible player? One of the 20 worst defenders in basketball, can't shoot(I know he shot 34% from 3 this year) and just generally doesn't contribute to winning at all. In other news I would also not take jahlil okafor if he was free.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

NO declines QO for Cheick Diallo. Count me in as addition to the roster pending other strikeouts.

He would be a nice pickup as a backup/insurance big if we don't sign a center.
He is undersized for center but plays big and is decent at a lot of things but not great at any. Can block shots and grab some rebounds and actually has a decent short range jumper.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

He's a terrible player? One of the 20 worst defenders in basketball, can't shoot(I know he shot 34% from 3 this year) and just generally doesn't contribute to winning at all. In other news I would also not take jahlil okafor if he was free.

I can get with you on defense, but comparing Julius Randle to Jahlil Okafor is way off mark. I would not mind him one bit on the Mavs but he would be redundant if Powell is here.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by saclare

I can get with you on defense, but comparing Julius Randle to Jahlil Okafor is way off mark. I would not mind him one bit on the Mavs but he would be redundant if Powell is here.

Randle is basically okafor if okafor got a ton of touches. They are exactly the same player archetype except randle is a better passer. Randle is just as bad defensively

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Randle is basically okafor if okafor got a ton of touches. They are exactly the same player archetype except randle is a better passer. Randle is just as bad defensively

Eh I guess I just see Randle in a different light, though, again, I do agree he is not strong on defense.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Randle is basically okafor if okafor got a ton of touches. They are exactly the same player archetype except randle is a better passer. Randle is just as bad defensively

I'm just not seeing it. Maybe it's the pain of him whipping our ass last season, but he is a bully offensively in the paint, and an above average rebounder.

I would not be disappointed if Randle was part of our FA haul.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Okafor is a much slower player without half the handles of Randle. Not seeing that at all.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

If we strike out, Thad young and Danny green would make this team a Mid tier playoff team

Always been a fan of Thad Young, we could do much worse. Danny Green would kind of be the Wes we had all hoped for: actual good defense, better 3 point shooting. Unfortunately, he is up there with Wes as one of the worst ball handlers in the league and, like Wes, also has zero court vision.

They are 31&32 years old respectively. They both seem like perfect candidates to either take the larger MLE from an over the cap team which is like 9.3, I think, or get slightly more from a team that struck out in FA —2yrs-30m or 3 for 36m.
So we could probably fit both.

[j0Shi]

So can we already bury the Kemba hype? Word on the streets (aka Twitter) is Boston > Charlotte > Dallas / Lakers. I personally also think Boston is a better fit, especially since Kemba prefers to stay East.

What's the best possible outcome minus Walker now? Horford? Harris + Beverly? I'd prefer the latter, but wouldn't mind throwing a considerable offer at Brogdon should me miss out on all the other main targets. Bucks reportedly have a hard threshold of what they are willing to match.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Okafor is a much slower player without half the handles of Randle. Not seeing that at all.

His speed is useless tho except as a transition scorer. He should be a draymond type switchable defender minus the rim protection, instead of being able to switch and guard everyone he can't guard anyone. Bigs shoot over him and anyone with a handle at all goes past him

[BPo001]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Boston Celtics have emerged as the frontrunner to sign Charlotte All-Star guard Kemba Walker once free agency opens Sunday at 6 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
7:53 AM · Jun 27, 2019

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Boston Celtics have emerged as the frontrunner to sign Charlotte All-Star guard Kemba Walker once free agency opens Sunday at 6 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
7:53 AM · Jun 27, 2019

It’s funny. Somehow I am agitated by this, even though I don’t view Kemba as the best outcome for our Free agency. The media is oddly effective even when you’re on guard.

Looking forward to Sunday.

[endtroducing MASKED]

If you’re Kemba and still want to be The Guy, Boston is your spot.

[j0Shi]

Yeah well, like I said. Kemba is most likely gone. I personally don't have an issue with that fit-wise, but you obviously want the Mavs to remain options for many players as long as possible to have leverage in in contract negotiations.

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

If you’re Kemba and still want to be The Guy, Boston is your spot.

Yes.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

His speed is useless tho except as a transition scorer. He should be a draymond type switchable defender minus the rim protection, instead of being able to switch and guard everyone he can't guard anyone. Bigs shoot over him and anyone with a handle at all goes past him

Bad coaching? Perhaps he can be coached up to be serviceable on defense. His value would soar if he could improve defense and maintain his serviceable shooting outside. He could easily blossom into a perfect 3rd role.

[saclare]

I have a weird feeling the Mavs FO already knows what they are going to do. I'm going to bet a large offer sheet to Brogdon at this point. Once that is a done deal, fill in around with lower tier free agents like a Dedmon or Beverley to bolster depth.

Kemba to Boston makes too much sense, to be honest. Much better fit there than Kyrie.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Boston Celtics have emerged as the frontrunner to sign Charlotte All-Star guard Kemba Walker once free agency opens Sunday at 6 PM ET, league sources tell ESPN.
7:53 AM · Jun 27, 2019

The meltdown on db.com will be epic...

I've maintained since these rumors came about that Kemba was an iffy fit at best. This could be a blessing that fans will realize later on. Don't get me wrong, I really like Walker, but it will be awkward with Luka no matter the situation. Hell, even if Luka told him "it's your team"...it will still be Luka's.

[tap2390]

“Losing” out on Kemba is definitely a blessing in disguise. He’s undersized, a liability on defense, and plays the same position as our best player.

[EricaLubarsky]

P Bev looking for 3/40 according to McMahon

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon

Sources: Patrick Beverley is seeking a deal in the three-year, $40+ million range. Suitors include Mavs, Lakers, Bulls and Clippers. Agent Bill Duffy also represents Luka Doncic and is known to be intrigued by idea of pairing bulldog Beverley with the young playmaker.

Tweeted right after...

Another Duffy client that is a potential fit for Mavs: Cheick Diallo, who is unrestricted after Pelicans didn't make qualifying offer. He's 22 with potential to be Kenneth Faried type bench energy big. Per-36 numbers last season: 15.5 points, 13.3 rebounds, .620 FG, .746 FG

Count me in on both!

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by tap2390

“Losing” out on Kemba is definitely a blessing in disguise. He’s undersized, a liability on defense, and plays the same position as our best player.

Since a non-injured Klay Thompson is not coming through the door, Kemba was the best player we realistically had a shot at. The fit would not be ideal but the talent is there. Besides if it didn't work out, Donnie could always flip him for a better fit

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Another Duffy client that is a potential fit for Mavs: Cheick Diallo, who is unrestricted after Pelicans didn't make qualifying offer. He's 22 with potential to be Kenneth Faried type bench energy big. Per-36 numbers last season: 15.5 points, 13.3 rebounds, .620 FG, .746 FG

Count me in on both!

The dude has attempted 4 three pointers in his career. 1676 minutes played in 3 years and just FOUR 3's attempted

For a 6'9" forward that's a hard pass

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by MFFL

The dude has attempted 4 three pointers in his career. 1676 minutes played in 3 years and just FOUR 3's attempted

For a 6'9" forward that's a hard pass

Thing is you're getting him for cheap. A guy NO gave up for nothing isn't going to command a big payday even in this market.

And he is young and still developing. If Powell can start hitting threes, then so can he.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by MFFL

The dude has attempted 4 three pointers in his career. 1676 minutes played in 3 years and just FOUR 3's attempted

For a 6'9" forward that's a hard pass

He's more of a throw at the wall and see what sticks kind of guy. Think minimum contract look to potentially be a Faried type off the bench and see what else develops. I wouldn't mind the look and would be a later signing to fill in depth.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by MFFL

The dude has attempted 4 three pointers in his career. 1676 minutes played in 3 years and just FOUR 3's attempted

For a 6'9" forward that's a hard pass

We’re looking for a small center on offense who would defend PFs on the other half of the court. Diallo would be fine for that. On defense he’s capable of guarding PFs and rebounding hard. On offense he just has to dive for lobs and keep at least one man disengaged in the paint while setting some screens. Center is our only position that doesn’t need three point shooting and because we have a 7’2” PF, we can manage with a smaller forward next to him as long as he can defend and rebound.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

My "hot" take is Kemba was always a smokescreen. Something just doesn't feel right about being linked to him for so long...esp with Fish "reporting" it.

[tap2390]

Diallo is basically a poor man's Kevon Looney... so just go get Looney.

[turin]

Yeah, I don't think we've got a shot at Kemba now. I really like his character and talent. As to fit, I'd let Carlisle work that out. Besides, even at a max, I think he's valuable and tradeable. Butler is probably a better fit, and if he wasn't so mercurial, I'd be all over getting him. I love his competitiveness, and the guy is clutch.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We’re looking for a small center on offense who would defend PFs on the other half of the court. Diallo would be fine for that. On defense he’s capable of guarding PFs and rebounding hard. On offense he just has to dive for lobs and keep at least one man disengaged in the paint while setting some screens. Center is our only position that doesn’t need three point shooting and because we have a 7’2” PF, we can manage with a smaller forward next to him as long as he can defend and rebound.

this.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

My "hot" take is Kemba was always a smokescreen. Something just doesn't feel right about being linked to him for so long...esp with Fish "reporting" it.

No, i think it wasnt. Kemba is a high character guy and the FO loves such guys. And they wanted to add "firepower".

So Kemba is on paper a great fit, lockerroom and "firepower" wise. I also think he may regrets signing with Boston than the Mavs. Boston lost/gonna lose an incredible amount of talent and Tatum and Brown are both overrated.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by MFFL

Since a non-injured Klay Thompson is not coming through the door, Kemba was the best player we realistically had a shot at. The fit would not be ideal but the talent is there. Besides if it didn't work out, Donnie could always flip him for a better fit

Kemba is a terrible fit and I’m not even talking size, shooting, and defense.

I’m talking game.

There were only eight players more ball-dominant than Doncic (measures by avg time of poss):

Harden, Wall, Lillard, Westbrook, Young, Paul, Conley, and KEMBA

You can argue for a Houston-style offense where only two guys touch the ball, in which case KP is wasted and the rest of the roster is ill-fitting. It could work, but I’m not sure why we’d pay KP 150mill to stand there waiting for open threes and oops.

Or you can argue that Kemba and/or Doncic would have to play off-ball more. Kemba was statistically mediocre off the ball. He’s like Isaiah Thomas: if he’s not handling the ball, he’s far less effective. Or you can make Doncic play off-ball more. He wasn’t great without the ball last season but learning to play off-ball will be important for him eventually. I just think it wastes some of Doncic’s potential.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yep. I really don't think you can have two hugely ball dominant players on a team long term. And see people use poor analogies like the Warriors as examples where it can work, but Thompson and Durant are having plays run for them by Steph or Draymond.

I once used the Rockets as an example that Luka and Smith Jr will work together. Boom, Harden and Paul hate each other and are now stuck with that horrid contract. And of course, Smith went AWOL because he sunk in Luka's shadow.

Luka and Kemba will be fine as long as the team is winning 55+ games and in the top 4 in the West. But man, that could so easily fall off a cliff. Doesn't matter what kind of character guys you have either...two alphas at point isn't a smart move. Kemba would sacrifice being "the guy" his entire career to being third fiddle? That's a tall order.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by turin

Yeah, I don't think we've got a shot at Kemba now. I really like his character and talent. As to fit, I'd let Carlisle work that out. Besides, even at a max, I think he's valuable and tradeable. Butler is probably a better fit, and if he wasn't so mercurial, I'd be all over getting him. I love his competitiveness, and the guy is clutch.

How do we not have a shot? Free Agency hasn’t even started. Wait until players actually talk with the team before getting discouraged.