Now what?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Like I said earlier, it just comes down to Cuban being Cuban. He wants everyone to take a team friendly deal (thj most recently). You gotta pay up if you?re going to be a contender. The Mavs just came off their best run in 11 years and you?re not gonna pay an extra 5 mill per year? And you get nothing back? He?s so dense.

It's not 5mill. It's 130mill in salary and taxes THIS YEAR ALONE as well as being hamstrung in every single transaction including MLEs.

We're fucked because of KP's max deal and Donnie being useless for so long. That's it. Nico split that KP deal into two, but we're still saddled with that ridiculous salary with Luka's max deal kicking in too.

If we weren't in cap/tax hell, it would be another story, but let's not be disingenuous with our reporting. It's not Cuban balking over spending 5 million.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's not 5mill. It's 130mill in salary and taxes THIS YEAR ALONE as well as being hamstrung in every single transaction including MLEs.

We're fucked because of KP's max deal and Donnie being useless for so long. That's it. Nico split that KP deal into two, but we're still saddled with that ridiculous salary with Luka's max deal kicking in too.

If we weren't in cap/tax hell, it would be another story, but let's not be disingenuous with our reporting. It's not Cuban balking over spending 5 million.

I still think you need to make a credible offer. It's likely that JB bolts for NY anyway, but frankly the offer made by the Mavs compared to what was being offered by the Knicks is weak. As it turns out this was an easy decision for JB to make. More money, a chance to be the man running the show, near family and friends. It's a no-brainer. I would have liked to have seen Cuban at least make it a competition.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's not 5mill. It's 130mill in salary and taxes THIS YEAR ALONE as well as being hamstrung in every single transaction including MLEs.

We're fucked because of KP's max deal and Donnie being useless for so long. That's it. Nico split that KP deal into two, but we're still saddled with that ridiculous salary with Luka's max deal kicking in too.

If we weren't in cap/tax hell, it would be another story, but let's not be disingenuous with our reporting. It's not Cuban balking over spending 5 million.

Don't get the people started with "fuck it, it's just Cuban's money and not mine, don't care" - as if billionaires got to that point being financially fucking stupid.

It would be asinine to pay up $130MM for Brunson for that first year, just stupid money. Cuban might have a lot of money, but you still have to be responsible. And that a significant chunk of his net worth, which a lot of people have a hard time understanding that's not liquid...

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by saclare

Don't get the people started with "fuck it, it's just Cuban's money and not mine, don't care" - as if billionaires got to that point being financially fucking stupid.

It would be asinine to pay up $130MM for Brunson for that first year, just stupid money. Cuban might have a lot of money, but you still have to be responsible. And that a significant chunk of his net worth, which a lot of people have a hard time understanding that's not liquid...

All I can say is that the current NBA Champs are that stupid. If Cuban can't afford it, then sure. But it would be sad to think that the Mavs are destined to be a franchise where they might catch lightning in a bottle once in a while, but they are not really contenders year-to-year. But if that's the reality, then so be it.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

All I can say is that the current NBA Champs are that stupid. If Cuban can't afford it, then sure. But it would be sad to think that the Mavs are destined to be a franchise where they might catch lightning in a bottle once in a while, but they are not really contenders year-to-year. But if that's the reality, then so be it.

This reply is for all of you that did reply to me...

You need to understand that the "current" champs have won FOUR (4!) of them since 2015. That is an obvious core you throw hundreds of millions at to keep the window open. Last year's Mavs team and certainly not Brunson is NOT what you go deep into the luxury tax for...

I think you all do, as I think we are all pretty smart, above average Mavs fans here. But some are getting caught up in emotions.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by saclare

This reply is for all of you that did reply to me...

You need to understand that the "current" champs have won FOUR (4!) of them since 2015. That is an obvious core you throw hundreds of millions at to keep the window open. Last year's Mavs team and certainly not Brunson is NOT what you go deep into the luxury tax for...

I think you all do, as I think we are all pretty smart, above average Mavs fans here. But some are getting caught up in emotions.

Thank you for calming me down. The fact is that every night I pray to God that Mark Cuban has sufficient money to buy groceries and feed his family. His projected $4.7 Billion net worth, doesn't go far in today's economic landscape with inflation and all.

And it's not so much about JB and what his salary should be, given his abilities. It's the bluster from Cuban that he is not going to let JB go, he will pony up the money, and its really only a matter of does JB want to be a Maverick. And then, you don't even match the offer made by the Knicks? It's a bad look and it makes the Mavs look like they are not serious about building a championship team. Again, I think he should have offered 5 yrs and $125M. JB would have said 'no" (I'm guessing). But at least you did what said you were going to do.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Thank you for calming me down. The fact is that every night I pray to God that Mark Cuban has sufficient money to buy groceries and feed his family. His projected $4.7 Billion net worth, doesn't go far in today's economic landscape with inflation and all.

And it's not so much about JB and what his salary should be, given his abilities. It's the bluster from Cuban that he is not going to let JB go, he will pony up the money, and its really only a matter of does JB want to be a Maverick. And then, you don't even match the offer made by the Knicks? It's a bad look and it makes the Mavs look like they are not serious about building a championship team. Again, I think he should have offered 5 yrs and $125M. JB would have said 'no" (I'm guessing). But at least you did what said you were going to do.

Sigh, yea, it's totally financially responsible to just throw away $130MM in the first year of the deal that "supposedly" would get it done. For all we know, maybe they did up their offer and JB was always set on going to the Knicks. A lot of assumptions up in here, and I get it. So many are getting riled up over this is mindboggling.

I'm with you that if they had the indication that Cato presented, they should have been working on SNT and getting something back in return. That and not reupping Brunson when it would have been cheaper is all on the Mavs, Cuban and the FO. But then again, all we have to go by is Brunson's dad's word there, and I can give two shits worth of credit to that given how this has played out. We only have sources and "reports" of what we may have offered Brunson, none of which we can hang our hat on. But I guess it's all we have to discuss, so again, I get it.

In the end, fuck Brunson's dad and the Rose's.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by saclare

Don't get the people started with "fuck it, it's just Cuban's money and not mine, don't care" - as if billionaires got to that point being financially fucking stupid.

It would be asinine to pay up $130MM for Brunson for that first year, just stupid money. Cuban might have a lot of money, but you still have to be responsible. And that a significant chunk of his net worth, which a lot of people have a hard time understanding that's not liquid...

So is the goal to ensure that Mark is comfortably under the cap in 3 years and makes 150 million per year regardless of team outcome? Why do you care what Mark pays? Perhaps he should take on an ownership group that could help with the actual cash cost of having a supermax player surrounded by a competent cast. If the goal is cost certainty then either sell the team or trade Luka for a bunch of disposable parts that could easily be shed to keep Mark from paying his precious luxury tax... Poor Mark

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Zeus

So is the goal to ensure that Mark is comfortably under the cap in 3 years and makes 150 million per year regardless of team outcome? Why do you care what Mark pays? Perhaps he should take on an ownership group that could help with the actual cash cost of having a supermax player surrounded by a competent cast. If the goal is cost certainty then either sell the team or trade Luka for a bunch of disposable parts that could easily be shed to keep Mark from paying his precious luxury tax... Poor Mark

Why do you think just because he's a billionaire *by net worth* that it's a simple as fuck move to throw away $130 million? Jesus, get out of your emotions people.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by saclare

Why do you think just because he's a billionaire *by net worth* that it's a simple as fuck move to throw away $130 million? Jesus, get out of your emotions people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...l-association/

Mark has made over a half billion dollars in actual operating income (money in his pocket after expenses) since the Championship season. If he has to use a big slug of that over the next few years to broaden a Luka championship potential window, so be it... You call it throwing away I call it showing intent.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Zeus

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...l-association/

Mark has made over a half billion dollars in actual operating income (money in his pocket after expenses) since the Championship season. If he has to use a big slug of that over the next few years to broaden a Luka championship potential window, so be it... You call it throwing away I call it showing intent.

Fair enough. I call throwing that kind of money all for Brunson as throwing it away. We can agree to disagree, it's ok as it's a forum after all.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by saclare

Fair enough. I call throwing that kind of money all for Brunson as throwing it away. We can agree to disagree, it's ok as it's a forum after all.

Agree buddy.. I think this will be a lose lose.. JB will regret playing for the Knicks and we lose the potential value of JB as a trade asset 2 to 3 years from now.

Cheers