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Day1MavsFan · 10-12-2003, 05:09 PM

Hey, Murphy. Can you compile the playoff stats of Dirk, Nash, and Fin, as compared to their regular season stats? I'd be interested in seeing that. My off the cuff guess is that Dirk's numbers are up, Nash's about the same, and Fin's are down.
Aside from that. Are you saying that Nick is NOT a crunch-time player? Aside from what the numbers show, which I think a lot of people would say don't mean much by the way, I think he is at his best in big games when the game is on the line. I think that is very important. Sometimes the rest of the team is not playing well and it is up to him to carry the team, in which case his fg% might go down. I wonder what just his Maverick playoff stats are.

Nash13 · 10-12-2003, 06:03 PM

Nick had one good series. Dirk and Nash had 3 good series. His playoff run reminded me of his regular season run, he was good in spurts. Wasn't there in the 1st round, came to the 2nd, and disappeared in the 3rd. Being a good basketball player isn't defined by one series, ask Mike Bibby.

On a side note, thanks for putting you Van Exel thread in the NBA section rather than the Mavs section.

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-12-2003, 06:30 PM

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Nick had one good series. Dirk and Nash had 3 good series. His playoff run reminded me of his regular season run, he was good in spurts. Wasn't there in the 1st round, came to the 2nd, and disappeared in the 3rd. Being a good basketball player isn't defined by one series, ask Mike Bibby.

On a side note, thanks for putting you Van Exel thread in the NBA section rather than the Mavs section.

you cant be serious?!.. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

ReDIRKulous · 10-12-2003, 06:39 PM

I agree with Nash13.

one long blue sock · 10-12-2003, 06:53 PM

It matters what you remember for the first round to determine whether Nick was good in it

Great games in 6 and 7

Or bad games before that which costed them games 6 and 7.

Nash13 · 10-12-2003, 07:57 PM

Long Blue, I remember enough to know that no one had a good game 6 in the first round but the Blazers. And he did have a good game 7, but one game doesn't make a good series.

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 01:21 AM

nash13, i suggest that you watch the playoffs of 2003 again and tell me had had 1 good game or 1 good series as you say. He saved nash's butt out there countless times when nash couldnt get the offense going for himself or the team. but everyone has an opinion and thats what these boards are for eh?...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

seelenjaeger · 10-13-2003, 02:49 AM

Ahh, I see ... that is when "racking up a three with the opponents hand in your face" is recognized as "saved nash´s butt out there when nash couldnt get the offense going for himself".

Nash13 · 10-13-2003, 08:19 AM

DrtyFlthyNasty, i've looked up stats for every playoff game, and statistically, i'm right.

Portland Series

Game One

Nash-10pts, 8ast
Exel- 8pts, 4ast

Game 2

Nash- 28pts, 8ast
Exel- 12pts, 6ast

Game 3

Nash- 12pts, 10ast
Exel- 14pts, 7ast

Game 4

Nash- 0pts, 3ast
Exel- 18pts, 7ast

Game 5

Nash- 7pts, 11ast
Exel- 25pts, 5ast

Game 6

Nash- 21pts, 6ast
Exel- 4pts, 3ast

Game 7

Nash- 21pts, 7ast
Exel- 26pts, 3ast

Sacramento Series

Game 1

Nash- 20pts, 7ast
Exel- 20pts, 5ast

Game 2

Nash- 19pts, 7ast
Exel- 36pts, 3ast

Game 3

Nash- 31pts, 11ast
Exel- 40pts, 7ast

Game 4

Nash- 6pts, 6ast
Exel- 5pts, 3ast

Game 5

Nash- 25pts, 7ast
Exel- 18pts, 3ast

Game 6

Nash- 15pts, 6ast
Exel- 35pts, 3ast

Game 7

Nash- 18pts, 13ast
Exel- 23pts, 4ast

San Antonio Series

Game 1

Nash- 22pts, 3ast
Exel- 14pts, 1ast

Game 2

Nash- 12pts, 8ast
Exel- 13pts, 3ast

Game 3

Nash- 10pts, 9ast
Exel- 16pts, 3ast

Game 4

Nash- 25pts, 2ast
Exel- 22pts, 3ast

Game 5

Nash- 14pts, 6ast
Exel- 21pts, 4ast

Game 6

Nash- 6pts, 11ast
Exel- 19pts, 2ast

Nash13 · 10-13-2003, 08:25 AM

Overall, Nash outplayed Van Exel in every series. So maybe you should go back and watch the 2003 playoffs, b/c Nash got the better of Nick. Also, Nash out-assisted Nick Van Exel 19 of 20 playoff games.

And when Nick had a better game, most of the time we ended up losing.

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 02:09 PM

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DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by: Nash13
Overall, Nash outplayed Van Exel in every series. So maybe you should go back and watch the 2003 playoffs, b/c Nash got the better of Nick. Also, Nash out-assisted Nick Van Exel 19 of 20 playoff games.

And when Nick had a better game, most of the time we ended up losing.

You have got to be kidding me!...Ok, one thing, stats are NOT everything. Yes Nash had better stats, he is supposed to because he IS the STARTING pg. I have watched the playoffs over and over to see what the mavs needed to do to improve. Nash got the better of nick.. ok that is your opinion. Nash better out assist nick since he is the teams pg and van exel is the sg who was told by nellie to shoot the ball. And nick had the better game when we ended up losing? seriously u need to watch the games. The reason van exel had good games when we lost was because the rest of the team didnt show up. And van exel also did fine when we won, and won a few games for us also. And in case you forgot, van exel was a reserve on this team, coming off the bench.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

superheadcat · 10-13-2003, 02:40 PM

ok, DrtyFlthyNasty, i hope u r not trying to say stat is not everything but what u felt when watching a tape is.

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 04:09 PM

we all have our own opinions, im just stating what i think and what other nba players around the league have stated, what coaches around the league have stated, what commentators of numerous basketball teams have stated...van exel is definitely overlooked.

grndmstr_c · 10-13-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by: DrtyFlthyNasty
we all have our own opinions, im just stating what i think and what other nba players around the league have stated, what coaches around the league have stated, what commentators of numerous basketball teams have stated...van exel is definitely overlooked.

If everybody's singing Nick's praises, then I think it's a little difficult to argue that's he's overlooked. In fact, I think that is the antithesis of being overlooked.

Nash13 · 10-13-2003, 04:18 PM

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You have got to be kidding me!...Ok, one thing, stats are NOT everything. Yes Nash had better stats, he is supposed to because he IS the STARTING pg.

Stats are important for proving my point. It was you who said Nick had to carry Steve Nash, and statistically he didn't.

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I have watched the playoffs over and over to see what the mavs needed to do to improve.

The Mavs took a huge step this summer in getting what they needed to improve.

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Nash got the better of nick.. ok that is your opinion.

Along with just about everybody else on this board.

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Nash better out assist nick since he is the teams pg and van exel is the sg who was told by nellie to shoot the ball.

So now nash is at fault for playing his natural position? There was only 2 or 3 games where Nick significantly outscored Nash.

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van exel was a reserve on this team, coming off the bench.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Exactly!

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by: Nash13

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Originally posted by: DrtyFlthyNasty

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You have got to be kidding me!...Ok, one thing, stats are NOT everything. Yes Nash had better stats, he is supposed to because he IS the STARTING pg.

Stats are important for proving my point. It was you who said Nick had to carry Steve Nash, and statistically he didn't.

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I have watched the playoffs over and over to see what the mavs needed to do to improve.

The Mavs took a huge step this summer in getting what they needed to improve.

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Nash got the better of nick.. ok that is your opinion.

Along with just about everybody else on this board.

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Nash better out assist nick since he is the teams pg and van exel is the sg who was told by nellie to shoot the ball.

So now nash is at fault for playing his natural position? There was only 2 or 3 games where Nick significantly outscored Nash.

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van exel was a reserve on this team, coming off the bench.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Exactly!

yes stats are important, but you seem to base your whole argument on stats. nick did carry the team when nash couldnt at times, doing certaint things that dont show up in the stat sheets, the intangibles.

Did they did take a step for improving the team?, I hope. But it remains to be seen. I hope this puts us over the hump this year. We have improved the previous 2 years in the playoffs and I hope the third year we continue to improve, with a title. I guess, I just feel that losing nick and raja *laugh now* might hurt us. i loved their fire and determination and willingness to lay it all on the line and get in peoples face and just go play balls out basketball.

Yes of course almost everyone on this board will agree that nash got the better of nick. this is a dallas maverick board and nash is part of the big three. i love nash's game, however i dont just look at numbers to see how good a player is. He is definitely a good player, however i havent really seen it in the playoffs yet. and the playoffs is where the great players step up.

I never said it was nash's fault that he was a pg. I am saying that you are comparing a pg stats with a sg stats. if nick would have been the pg it could have been a different story. Yes, there may have been only 2 or 3 games where nick significantly outscored nash. You keep talkin numbers. and you say ONLY 2 or 3 like its nothing. It was the playoffs!... 2 or 3 games a bencher comes in and does what nick did is amazing!... he scored over 20 pts 9 games in the playoffs, two of those games were well over 30 pts and 1 game was 40...

and yes van exel is the reserve. if you remember nellie was thinking of whether van exel orr nash would start when van exel came to dallas. van exel told nellie he wanted to come off the bench to help the team. and the reason i stated that van exel was a reserve is because he accomplished these feats in the playoffs as a reserve which is incredible.

Nash13 · 10-13-2003, 04:53 PM

My point is, it was not that many games where Nash couldn't carry our offense.

DrtyFlthyNasty · 10-13-2003, 04:58 PM

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My point is, it was not that many games where Nash couldn't carry our offense.

i agree with that. however there were big games where nash wasnt there and van exel helped BIG. and the reason im saying this is because certain people act as if what van exel did was overrated or.. dirk wasnt given enough credit.. or the team wasnt given enough credit.. the team was given its due, however what van exel did was bring this team up when they were down... portland series he did it, in the 4th qtr of game 7, the game was close and things looked dim for the mavs on their home floor. van exel stepped up huge.. in the sac series the team played like they were scared and van exel letem know and backed it up with his play... I get your point, i just dont understand how people dont get mine....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]