Mavs Defense past 2 games - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

aexchange · 11-09-2003, 02:59 PM

I have to say on the whole I was very impressed with the Mavs defense the past 2 games. I thought their man to man defense has been nothing short of above average lately, and the ball rotations have also been pretty good on the defensive side.

It seems like they've abandoned the zone that was killing them in miami and washington, and gone with the traditional man to man. also it was interesting to note that when they did go zone, it was with 4 of the holdover mavs.

your thoughts...

MavsFanatik33 · 11-09-2003, 03:04 PM

I agree, I just wish that we could do things well on the other side of the court...
How many teams have out-rebounded us so far? We seemed to give up a lot of offensive rebounds last night.

Simon2 · 11-09-2003, 03:06 PM

I agree. Seems like Nellie is giving them the chance to work on some man-man defense. I like that. It gives them a chance to show that they can play defense. They still need to work on some zone though. Finley was good defensively last night. For a moment, Fortson was giving Rose problems.

MavsFanatik33 · 11-09-2003, 03:14 PM

Can you imagine if we start to stop teams liek we're doing AND start to score again? We'll be unstoppable!

Jamisonite · 11-09-2003, 03:19 PM

I must agree that we have played very well defensively. A lot of that in the SA game has to do with playing Jamison more minutes.

dude1394 · 11-09-2003, 03:23 PM

Good topics. Especially the rebounding ones.

Even last night we were only out-rebouded by 4. Out ORebounded by 3. Even though the third period was horrid.

Right now the mavs are staying pretty close on the rebound spread. They are losing the battle by .43 rebounds/game. Last year it was closer to about 5. This should be a big success story if we can also get the offense going.

dude1394 · 11-09-2003, 03:31 PM

Continuing the rebounding discussion which is my hot spot this year.

Walker/Jamison have been huge upgrades in the offensive rebounding department. Getting 22 and 19 respectively so far. Jamison definitely seems to be real quick around the basket.

What that hopefully says to me is that the end of game lineup of stevie/finley/jamison/walker/dirk will be a pretty decent rebounding team which is all I can really hope for. If that happens we will be ALLRIGHT BROTHA!

EricaLubarsky · 11-09-2003, 03:43 PM

We've only really been getting killed from the three

next stop NOH. Oh crap.

ReDIRKulous · 11-09-2003, 04:35 PM

Is it possible that Nellie is focusing on one thing at a time? First getting the zone schemes down... then man to man... then he will work on the main offensive schemes one at a time also. Maybe he was willing to struggle with the zone through whole games just to get his guys really familiar with it.

Jamisonite · 11-09-2003, 04:56 PM

I think he needs to focus on getting Dirk Jamison and Walker to jell together. He made that first step in the SA game. Just keep doing it.

Turkey · 11-09-2003, 06:37 PM

Iwish Dirk stopped taking stupdi shots.

jayC · 11-09-2003, 08:06 PM

Maybe part of it is that the new mavs haven't grasped the mavs Zone schemes. Or the new mavs are so much more athletic then the old ones and are capable of playing man to man. Its an interesting observation Aex.

Murphy3 · 11-09-2003, 08:55 PM

The Mavs have played better defensively the past two games. However, I beileve it has alot to do with two inept offenses.

LordOfTheMavs · 11-09-2003, 09:06 PM

I have to partially agree with Murph. I think they have been playing better defensivily and looking at the scores and whatching the last two games it is obvious. However, giving up 73 and 78 pts partially had to due with style of play. Neither game was and up and down the court Mavs-run-and-gun style. Both were claw and scratch and fight affairs. When the Mavs were blazing last year, people ragged the Mavs D and we were all quick to point out that the pace of the game we play leads to more possessions for each team and higher scores. Now the opposite is true. slower pace slugfest = better looking Mavs D.

bernardos70 · 11-09-2003, 11:12 PM

We did keep the spurs to 11 points in the last quarter, so I guess we did something right. Hope nellie keeps doing it (wishful thinking, of course).

Psychedelic Fuzz · 11-09-2003, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by: MavsFanatik33
Can you imagine if we start to stop teams liek we're doing AND start to score again? We'll be unstoppable!

wishful thinking.

jayC · 11-10-2003, 12:53 AM

Thats definitely true too.

sike · 11-10-2003, 08:41 AM

[quote]
Originally posted by: Psychedelic Fuzz

Quote:

Originally posted by: MavsFanatik33
Can you imagine if we start to stop teams liek we're doing AND start to score again? We'll be unstoppable!

wishful thinking.[/q

Fanatik33, what leads to you to believe that this team can both stop teams and score at the previous pace?...the have not proved that they can do both, maybe the days of high scoring and third quarter chalupas are gone, maybe Nellie has changed this team into the early ninties Pistons...maybe I'll buy one of those sleezy looking Mavs dancers calendars....but probably not[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

they can improve, but they will never be a team that "stop"s teams...oh, they can in spurts(but in today's NBA, it will more likely be teams shutting themselves down with poor shooting, passing etc....oh how I long for the day when a guy consistantly hitting a seventeen foot jumper was expected and not lauded!), but they will never be a shut down defensive team....not with the style they play and the coach they have.

kingrex · 11-10-2003, 11:39 AM

The basic theory behinds mavs basketball is to out man a team offensively and play enough defense so that the opponents offense can't keep up. Well, what these past games have proven is that their zone can't stop any offense. The man-to-man is a better defensive option right now. And, that the mavs offense isn't there yet.

The key, therefore, is to get this offense to run on all cylinders. That means early transition baskets. That means making open 3-pt shots. That means developing the new "34" wrinkle (of having 3 forwards on the floor).

That doesn't mean the defense is not important too, but let's face it the philosophy of this team is let's just outshoot them. Will this be the year that Nellie finally proves that? Maybe, or maybe it will never work. As Mavs fans we just get a front row seat to the biggest basketball experiment in the world.

FineCubanCigar · 11-10-2003, 12:39 PM

The less zone right now the better, now if the shots just start dropping . . .

sike · 11-10-2003, 01:12 PM

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[i]Originally posted by: [b]kingreThe key, therefore, is to get this offense to run on all cylinders. That means early transition baskets. That means making open 3-pt shots. That means developing the new "34" wrinkle (of having 3 forwards on the floor).

that means Steve Nash

kingrex · 11-10-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by: sike

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[i]Originally posted by: [b]kingreThe key, therefore, is to get this offense to run on all cylinders. That means early transition baskets. That means making open 3-pt shots. That means developing the new "34" wrinkle (of having 3 forwards on the floor).

that means Steve Nash

Ya know it brutha!