Ultimate trade proposal

[dmiiller]

Here is my trade proposal and my thinking. Dallas needs a center. Indiana could very much use NVE. GS has been rumored to be shopping both NVE and Dampier.

Dallas trades:
Antoine Walker

Dallas receives:
Erick Dampier
Al Harrington

Indiana trades:
Al Harrington
Scott Pollard

Indiana receives:
NVE

GS trades:
Erick Dampier
NVE

GS receives:
Antoine Walker
Scott Pollard

TRADE ACCEPTED

Dallas gets their center and gets a versatile, young, athletic player in Harrington that can play both forward spots. Imagine Nash, Finley, Jamison, Nowitzki, Dampier with Harrington, Howard, Bradley, and Best of the bench.

Indiana gives up Harrington who is a spare for them and gets Pollard of their books who is not playing and receive the ultimate play-off/clutch PG to round out their team

The hardest to sell would be the GS point of view: Dampier has apparently made it clear he is not going to resign with GS and they want to rid themselves of NVE who has complained and been hurt. They get Pollard (who has a tradeable contract) who would team up with Foyle to make and formidable tandem at center along with getting Walker who will be PRIME trade material next year.....You see what Wallace just got Portland. Walker could retreive similiar next year when some team is clearing payroll and want his high expiring contract. Plus, he does not come with the baggage of Wallace.

I think this could be a possible trade by all parties and I think it would definately benefit Dallas. What do you think?

[ddh33]

From Dallas' end, I would do it. Getting Baby Al along with Damp not only makes losing Walker worth it, it makes this a landslide in Dallas' favor.

[Dirkenstien]

First of all I would like to thank you for the logical explanations you provided in this post ...many new posters forget to do this.

Now, about the trade. I love it. I think every team involved gets something that will or can benefit their current situation without having to give up too much in return ...however, I dont see this trade as happening this season. More so, I see this as a very plausible option in the coming offseason depending on our performance in the playoffs.

By waiting until the offeason, ...Van Exel will be more of a trade commodity due to his expiring contract, Golden State will be desparate to get something in return for the walking Dampier, Cuban and Nellie will have had a season and the playoffs to judge the potential of this team in regards to their chances of winning the title, Walker's trade value would be considerably higher due to his expiring contract..which would be a plus for GS to go through with it, and Indiana will be able to replace Pollard and Harrington with a FA pickup in the offseason.

Like I said, ..I feel this is a great trade for us and would love to see it go down before the trade deadline this season...although I see it as having more of a chance to happen this offseason than this season.

[Poindexter Einstein]

This trade cant happen in the offseason - Dampier becomes a free agent and cant be dealt in a multi-player, essentially.

As for the merits of it, I think Dallas makes out like a bandit. I think GS would do it.

Indy? My first reaction is "I think Indy gets screwed royally and would never agree - seems to me they would want Harrington more than NVE." But I read reports that say they might be willing to move him. So who knows?

So if the numbers work out and all parties agreed, if I am Dallas I pull the trigger in a flash.

[Nash13]

PE, there was a point last year where Indy wanted one of our point guards, rather it be Nash or Nick. That was the original rumor why Indy didn't trade us Brad Miller. They still want a new point guard because they don't trust the consistency of Tinsley.

[dalmations202]

Let's see;
We trade a very good talent in Walker.
We get a true 5, and a young 3/4.

How quick can you get Cuban's name on the dotted line.

Damp/Bradley/Williams/Fortson
Nowitzki/Harrington
Jamison/Howard/Najera
Finley/Delk/Daniels
Nash/Best/Stephesson

Next offseason move: Resign Nash : Damp
Try a sign and trade of Najera/Daniels to Denver for Camby or if not sign Anderson.
Try to send Best/Delk/Fortson somewhere for NVE or NVE type (Brent Barry). In a sign and/or trade.
Try to sign Ostertag for the MLE.
Bring Avery J back as an assistant coach

2004/2005:
Damp/Bradley/Tag/Camby
Nowitzki/Harrington/Camby
Jamison/Howard/Harrington
Finley/NVE/Howard
Nash/NVE/Stephesson

Damp for overall play. Bradley for length. Tag to Bang/Beef. Camby/Anderson for those quick athletic types. Strong at every position and an awesome backup.

To do this would probably cost M$ to Cuban. But I don't care how much of <u>his</u> money I spend anyway.

[uberfan]

I think it makes sense in a lot of ways for all 3 teams. Now, if you can get Tinsley to Dallas as part of the deal I think it addresses a lot our needs short term and long term.

[Dirkenstien]

through a sign and trade it is very possible

[DNNF]

There's no way that Larry Bird would allow this trade to happen.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: DNNF
There's no way that Larry Bird would allow this trade to happen.

I agree that this trade most likely won't happen.
But if Larry thought that NVE would put them over the top for Harrington that they may/may not be trying to move, and Pollard which they are not happy with, then he might.

The trade makes sense for Big D, if they believe that Damp is the Center they are wanting.
The trade makes sense to GS, if they are trying to move NVE and they know that Damp is leaving.
The trade only makes sense to Indy, if Larry thinks that NVE would be the final piece that would put them in the finals.

[Nicky31]

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Al Harrington (13.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 31.2 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.9 ppg, +9.2 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Indiana trades: C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.6 minutes)
PF Al Harrington (13.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 31.2 minutes)
Indiana receives: PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.1 ppg, -6.9 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 33.1 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.3 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 52 games)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 40 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.8 ppg, -2.3 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, Indiana, and Golden State being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Dallas, Indiana, and Golden State had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


This is my favorite trade proposal so far...

[ddh33]

The main problems with this trade is that it would give Dallas a team with four centers.
Indiana would have four PGs.
Golden State would have a team full of forwards.

I have to think that Golden State would need Travis Best or Jamal Tinsley to do this deal.
I also think Indiana would want some other considerations. They would be trading young for old and big for small. I know other teams have, but I can't imagine Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird signing off on that.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: ddh33
The main problems with this trade is that it would give Dallas a team with four centers.
Indiana would have four PGs.
Golden State would have a team full of forwards.

I have to think that Golden State would need Travis Best or Jamal Tinsley to do this deal.
I also think Indiana would want some other considerations. They would be trading young for old and big for small. I know other teams have, but I can't imagine Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird signing off on that.

Not really. Dallas would have 3 Centers, and Fortson who is really a PF.
GS would still have Foyle and Pollard as Centers. AJ and Speedy as guards.
Rumor is that Indiana wants Nick, and are disgruntled with Pollard, and would consider moving Harrington. (just something I read, not sure where)

I still don't think it happens, but it isn't a bad deal, and if it does happen, I would talk very heavily with Seattle about Barry as my backup PG.

[uberfan]

Admittedly, this is favors Dallas but, heh, this my job [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Dallas gets help now and for the future. The best allegedly available C, a decent backup PG, and a solid SF/PF swingman. Some will argue that we can get more talent for Walker. Maybe next year. I do it now so that we can see how this team would play with a legitimate starting Center before trying to sign him in the offseason. Tinsley plays Mavs-style game. Harrington is a solid backup at SF/PF and would be a better option at the 5 than Dirk. I would consider eventually starting him a SF, even though I have said in the past I wanted Jamison starting.

Pacers get NVE who some are saying they want, they move two players they supposedly don't want, and they get another backup PG whom they have history with and probably trust in Best. They tried to sign him in the offseason.

GS gets 2 ending contracts with Anderson and Daniels and a chance to audition Daniels to see if he can be a player for them next year. A decent C who is value priced for a center to pair with Foyle and who seems suited to the CA lifestyle, and Walker. Walker needs his own team. He is immediately a star in GS. If he does not work out they get a very valuable trade commodity next year with his ending contract. GS would have to waive someone, possibly Anderson or AJ. If Daniels truly projects to an eventual starting calibre PG, then GS is in very good shape.

Dallas trades: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 9.7 minutes)
PG Travis Best (3.3 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Al Harrington (13.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 31.2 minutes)
PG Jamaal Tinsley (7.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 24.8 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.6 ppg, +9.6 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (13.5 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 31.2 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.6 minutes)
PG Jamaal Tinsley (7.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.0 apg in 24.8 minutes)
PG Kenny Anderson (6.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.0 apg in 23.8 minutes)
Indiana receives: PG Travis Best (3.3 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 46 games)
PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32 games)
Change in team outlook: -12.5 ppg, -10.5 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 33.1 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.3 minutes)
Golden State receives: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 28 games)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 52 games)
C Scot Pollard (1.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.1 apg in 40 games)
PG Kenny Anderson (6.5 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 3.0 apg in 29 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +2.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


New Dallas Roster

PG: Nash/Tinsley/Delk
SG: Finley/Howard/Delk
SF: Jamison/Harrington
PF: Dirk/Harrington/Fortson
C: Dampier/Bradley/Williams

Sorry Eddie. You would have to go back to IL. Steffanson and TAW also on IL.

My protected 8:

1. Dirk
2. Finley
3. Harrington
4. Howard
5. Jamison
6. Bradley
7. Delk
8. Najera if fully healthy, otherwise Fortson.


Exposed to expansion draft TAW, Stef, Fortson, unless I did not think Najera is fully recovered. None would I expect to be taken, nor would I want to send draft pick and cash to have one taken, even TAW. If everything about how much of his contract is guaranteed over the last 2 years, plus insurance is covering 80%, then let him stay on IL and save the cash and pick.

I would want to resign Nash, Dampier, and Williams.

[MightyToine]

"No knock on Erick Dampier," the Mavs owner said, "but we're not going to make a change to make a change, just swapping parts or comparable pieces.

Wasn't it someone who said that Dampier and Walker are "comparable" pieces? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[LRB]

If we could somehow trade Walker for Harrington and Dampier that would be one hell of a steal. I don't see us getting the chance, but I sure hope that we'd take it if it was presented.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: LRB
If we could somehow trade Walker for Harrington and Dampier that would be one hell of a steal. I don't see us getting the chance, but I sure hope that we'd take it if it was presented.

Dampier is NOT Worth Walker.....


He and baby Al Harrington combined, though.... *sigh* I guess I'll do it BUT I don't trust Dampier to continue his good play if he does get a contract. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

[Poindexter Einstein]

[quote]
Originally posted by: MightyToine

"No knock on Erick Dampier," the Mavs owner said, "but we're not going to make a change to make a change, just swapping parts or comparable pieces.

MT .... Please dont do this, just to "defend" Antoine Walker and try to persuade people about he is staying here. Mark Cuban did NOT say the above words about Dampier/Walker. In fact, you manufactured and altered the above quote. It had to do with KURT THOMAS, not Dampier. "No knock on Kurt Thomas," the Mavs owner said." Thats the actual quote. There is no reference to Walker-Dampier, no indicator he thinks those are equivalent players.

Thats BS, dude.

[MightyToine]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein

Originally posted by: MightyToine

MT .... Please dont do this, just to "defend" Antoine Walker and try to persuade people about he is staying here. Mark Cuban did NOT say the above words about Dampier/Walker. In fact, you manufactured and altered the above quote. It had to do with KURT THOMAS, not Dampier. "No knock on Kurt Thomas," the Mavs owner said." Thats the actual quote. There is no reference to Walker-Dampier, no indicator he thinks those are equivalent players.

Thats BS, dude.

I know that, Dexter. It's amazing how it took THIS long for someone to even notice. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]


Good job.

[Poindexter Einstein]

People trust each other on here not to make up quotes. The fact that no one noticed means they gave you points for basic credibility. If you casually violate that trust, people will stop taking you seriously in the future.

[jimmychipwood]

Like I always say...MT is on crack.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: MightyToine



I know that, Dexter. It's amazing how it took THIS long for someone to even notice. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

MT there is a difference between not noticing and just ignoring it.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: LRB

MT there is a difference between not noticing and just ignoring it.

Hmm...that, too. I guess not everyone can ignore it as dexter proved.

But anyway, I will not do that again so It's over and done with.


Time to move on.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: jimmychipwood
Like I always say...MT is on crack.

What was that about Posters attacking other Posters again?

[Turkey]

like always, I never read you guys post
But you will read mine.
Owell

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
C Shawn Bradley (3.2 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.4 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.4 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (14.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 29.3 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 40.0 minutes)
Dallas receives: PG Shammond Williams (4.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 14.8 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (15.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.1 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (27.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.6 apg in 39.9 minutes)
PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 33.1 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.2 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (6.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +29.3 ppg, +9.3 rpg, and +11.0 apg.

Orlando trades: PG Shammond Williams (4.9 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 14.8 minutes)
PF Juwan Howard (15.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 35.1 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (27.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 5.6 apg in 39.9 minutes)
Orlando receives: SG Michael Finley (18.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 47 games)
PG Avery Johnson (3.9 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 27 games)
Change in team outlook: -25.1 ppg, -8.3 rpg, and -4.8 apg.

Golden State trades: PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 33.1 minutes)
C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 32.2 minutes)
PG Avery Johnson (3.9 ppg, 0.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 11.4 minutes)
Golden State receives: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 39 games)
SF Antawn Jamison (14.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 52 games)
PF Christian Laettner (6.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and -4.2 apg.

Washington trades: PF Christian Laettner (6.4 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2.1 apg in 22.0 minutes)
C Brendan Haywood (6.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.7 minutes)
Washington receives: SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
C Shawn Bradley (3.2 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 39 games)
Change in team outlook: -6.7 ppg, -4.2 rpg, and -2.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Why Orlando does it? To get rid of Juwan
Why Golden state does it? To get Laettner and Jamison
Why washington does it? To get rid of Laettner and get Bradeley

[MightyToine]

Why does Turkey post it? Who knows? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[LRB]

Turkey league rules prevent a player to be traded back to the same team that traded them in the same season that they were traded. So since NVE can't come home to Dallas this season, this trade falls thrrough. Of course I didn't think it had much chance anyways.

[kingrex]

Like most trades in this lounge, this is too Dallas-centric.