A. Walker

[Hitman]

Originally posted by: Hitman
This team needs Antoine Walker like I need a hole in my head.

Ahem

[Murphy3]

haha..well, as you can see, walker isn't my favorite player by any stretch of the imagination.

but, i don't think the mavs make this trade unless they have already spoken with walker and he realizes what how he'll be utilized
at least, i'm hoping

[LRB]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
haha..well, as you can see, walker isn't my favorite player by any stretch of the imagination.

but, i don't think the mavs make this trade unless they have already spoken with walker and he realizes what how he'll be utilized
at least, i'm hoping

I'm hoping as well Murph. I also hope that Walker cuts the percentage of his shots which are 3's way down. Let's hope he wants a championship a lot more than he wants individual numbers and is willing to go play inside a lot more than he ever did in Boston. The West will be one hell of a lot more physical and tought than the East as well.

[Max Power]

This is a funny thread.

[kg_veteran]

Yes, it is. Even though it was discussed BEFORE Jamison was acquired, it is.

I'll be the first to admit that I've done a 180.

[Murphy3]

as long as the mavs have walker focusing on rebounding, distributing, and scoring from the paint..this will be a brilliant trade.

but, if walker's given free reign to do as he pleases and jack up 5+ threes a game... this could be a disaster.

but, i believe that he'll fit in and accept the changed role


and you're right KG. I might have given up basketball altogether if the mavs had NVE AND walker

[Lvubun1]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Yes, it is. Even though it was discussed BEFORE Jamison was acquired, it is.

I'll be the first to admit that I've done a 180.

You 180? No can't be. You do more 180s then freaking Tony Hawk.

[Lvubun1]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Yes, it is. Even though it was discussed BEFORE Jamison was acquired, it is.

I'll be the first to admit that I've done a 180.

You 180? No can't be. You do more 180s then freaking Tony Hawk.

[kg_veteran]

Lvubun, don't be bitter just because you were wrong the other night. It's not my fault.

I'm honest enough to admit when I've changed my opinion. And really, the 180 I was talking about was being in favor of Antoine Walker as a Mav. I said at one point I wouldn't be. However, when this specific trade occurred, I looked at it objectively and realized it was a good deal.

Instead of trolling my posts, perhaps you might want to formulate opinions of your own.

[Lvubun1]

Originally posted by: kg_veteran
Lvubun, don't be bitter just because you were wrong the other night. It's not my fault.

I'm honest enough to admit when I've changed my opinion. And really, the 180 I was talking about was being in favor of Antoine Walker as a Mav. I said at one point I wouldn't be. However, when this specific trade occurred, I looked at it objectively and realized it was a good deal.

Instead of trolling my posts, perhaps you might want to formulate opinions of your own.

I'm bitter? Your the one that got exposed for being a flake. Did you even respond because I was waiting and just assumed that their really isn't a credible excuse. And I do have my own opinions, they are solid and I don't change then every other day, like some people. I'm also not a sheep and don't let other people formulate my opinions, dislike some people who wait intill they see what the popular opinion is then jump on it.

[seelenjaeger]

Hmm.

I think giving up Nick and aquiring Jamison and Fortson kinda changed my opinion. Still, jury is out on the deal ...

[kg_veteran]

I'm bitter? Your the one that got exposed for being a flake. Did you even respond because I was waiting and just assumed that their really isn't a credible excuse.

The only thing exposed the other night was your lack of reading comprehension. Since you're pretending you haven't read my response, I'll post it again:

Yes, I do remember that. That's a comment I made during the middle of the Sacramento series. Several of us were debating whether Dirk or Nick was the MVP of the Sacramento series and/or of the playoffs <u>to that point</u>. In fact, TheKid started the thread and led off with this comment:

"If you HAD to pick an MVP for the series to this point who would it be? Now I know most of you will say Dirk hands down but to be honest I don't think it's as clear cut and dry as that. I think NVE has really left his stamp on this series AND the Portland series.

To be honest, if I had to pick after the first series it would have been Dirk no question, but now I truly don't know but it would definately be between Dirk and NVE. I'm curious what you all think?"

Here was my complete initial reply:

"I think against the Kings, it's been an amazing TEAM effort. That said, if I had to pick one guy I'd probably pick Nick simply because he fired the team up before Game 2 and seemed to rebuild the Mavs' confidence. However, I think for stretches of this series, Dirk, Nick, Steve, and Mike have taken turns carrying the team."

In fact, here's the rest of what I said in that thread on that topic, since you cherry-picked the comments out of context that you THOUGHT made me look bad:

"I don't think the MVP should be measured solely by stats.

I think it's fair to say that the Mavericks wouldn't have beaten Portland and wouldn't be up 3-2 against Sacramento without the play of Dirk or Nick. Both have made incredible contributions on the court. Which one of the two has been the "most valuable" to his team is obviously subjective and can't be boiled down to a raw statistical analysis."

"NVE is A leader on the team. I don't know that he's THE leader. An argument could be made that Steve Nash is the heart and soul of the team. An equally compelling argument could be made that Finley is the team's emotional leader. The bottom line is, we have a number of stars willing to lay it all on the line while playing as a team. It's a beautiful thing to watch."

"Given that the Mavericks were expected at the very least to advance past the first round and given that Nick has been as responsible as any single player for the team's success in the second round (where they've previously failed), I think a compelling argument can be made for Nick as the playoffs MVP, not just the series MVP.

That said, I agree with The Kid. I really don't have a problem with either guy being considered the MVP. I just happen to be of the opinion that it's Van Exel."

"I'd rather have Dirk, and I'm sure everyone else would too. That doesn't, however, do anything to diminish Nick's contributions so far."

Notably, none of the posts you refer to were made after 5-15-03, which was the date of Game 6 against Sacramento. Thus, the San Antonio series had not yet occurred.

Funny, I don't think those statements are inconsistent with my current statements or opinions at all.

You get an A for your ability to use the search function, but an F for your reading comprehension.

Clearly, reading my comments in context above, it's easy to see that I was talking about the confidence that Nick helped to instill in the team during the Sacramento series. The discussion in THIS thread has been geared around whether Nick is a better clutch player than Dirk, Steve, or Mike -- NOT who the playoff MVP was.

In your desperate attempt to discredit me, you forgot what in the hell we were talking about.

Also, the percentage I've been throwing around is 37.5%. That's what he shot for the series against San Antonio. Pay attention.

Um, no, that was me, stating my opinion at the time. And when placed in the correct time frame, that opinion was supported by facts. After the San Antonio series, my opinion changed.

People are allowed to do that, you know. Change opinions. Especially when they can support them with facts.

Nope, the bottom line is that my opinions today are not inconsistent with the ones I had then. You see, when your opinions are based on logic and facts, it's a lot harder to discredit them. I wasn't on a bandwagon then, and I'm not now.

If you're going to try to call somebody out, you might want to try being RIGHT next time.

And were the hooker and trick comments really necessary? I mean, I could almost see the bitterness oozing out of them.

No, actually it was pretty amusing.

Do me a favor, though, and do a little more research next time if you're going to try and dig dirt up on me. That was pretty pathetic.

And I do have my own opinions, they are solid and I don't change then every other day, like some people. I'm also not a sheep and don't let other people formulate my opinions, dislike some people who wait intill they see what the popular opinion is then jump on it.

If you have your own opinions, express them. The reason you started this whole failed attempt to discredit me was because I called you out on one of your opinions. It'd be better if you just debated basketball, because you're not very good at trying to make me look bad.

You're not very bright if you think I float along with whatever popular opinion is. But, if you'd like to point out one of my opinions that has "changed every other day," go right ahead. Also, if you'd like to point out an issue where I've flip-flopped repeatedly or where someone else has formulated my opinions for me, feel free to do that. Otherwise, accept the fact that I called you out and move on.

[ReDIRKulous]

You know the thing that bothers me the most about Antoine Walker? He reminds me way too much of Charles Barkley. But he might be even dumber than Barkley. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img] Hey... maybe Barkley will be on our side a little bit now though? Is Barkely a Toine fan? Seems like he would be.

[Ummmmm Ok]

I might have almost called the Jamison/NVE trade, but Jacktruth Nailed this one on the head back in JUNE!!

Not sure if this has come up in discussion yet, but ran across it and thought it worth posting:

ESPN's Take: For the second straight season, the New Jersey Nets eliminated the Boston Celtics from the playoffs. After trading away Kenny Anderson in the offseason for the highly overrated Vin Baker, the Celtics were left without a true point guard for this season and it showed. The Celtics were third-worst in the league in assists this year and the Nets easily dismantled the Celtics in the playoffs by exposing the C's weakness at the point. Danny Ainge has now been brought in to try and return the Celtics to the glory they've achieved in the past. Ainge must decide whether or not to trade away Antoine Walker. Boston could possibly deal him to a team for a top point guard but then would need to address the frontcourt issues. Boston was 26th in the league in rebounds, 26th in rebounds allowed and 25th in blocked shots.


Possible they may also be interested in Raef?

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God already knows.

Edited: Wednesday June 11, 2003 at 2:07 PM by jacktruth

Jack you are the MAN!

[Mavs Rule]

Jack was speaking the truth! But 'can we handle the truth'? Only Jack knows for sure. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] Nice find Ummmmm Ok.

[Max Power]

bump

[MightyToine]

Ummm.....Walker sucks? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]