Why did nellie Take Dirk out 2-3 mins before halftime? stupid move. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

ashjensen · 04-21-2004, 10:10 PM

dirk should have been left in their. halftime was coming up and stupid nellie takes dirk out? this made no sense to me. nellie brings in the 6'10 guy(sorry i always forget his name) and he bricks twice. this hurt the mavs badly. they could have been leading at the half.

this was a very bad move imo. will nellie learn?

Bayliss · 04-21-2004, 10:13 PM

Why are you putting every one of your questions in a separate topic? Roll all your questions into one topic.

dude1394 · 04-21-2004, 10:24 PM

I have no problem and in fact support nellie giving dirk some rest. Good time to do it and it was no damage. If marquis hadn't kind of gotten confused we might have had a jho 3 pointer.

mavs_afroman · 04-21-2004, 10:58 PM

I disagree dude. Halftime was coming in just 2 minutes. I don't see how sitting those 2mins right before half time helps too much. However, ending quaters strong can be very important and builds momentum.

dude1394 · 04-21-2004, 11:00 PM

You take him out then or you take him out later. It really doesn't matter much. If you are saying he should have been taken out earlier, ok.

But having him play 48 minutes is a no-no...I don't think it was good or bad... No impact basically.

Hitman · 04-22-2004, 07:05 AM

I thought it was a terrible time to take him out as well. The Kings were in the middle of a big run and Dirk was the only offensive force we had, and we wound up having Scott Williams shoot twice.

Murphy3 · 04-22-2004, 07:55 AM

If you want to get him rest, that wasn't the time to give it to him. Halftime was coming. He had plenty of opportunity to catch his breath then.

If you want to rest him, give him a break at the end of the 1st or sometime late in the third.

PubaNWO · 04-22-2004, 07:58 AM

Dirk needs to play less....

he needs to play less than Finley and just a tad more than Nash....

Murphy3 · 04-22-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by: PubaNWO
Dirk needs to play less....

he needs to play less than Finley and just a tad more than Nash....

Why should he play less than Finley?
Please explain yourself.

Chiwas · 04-22-2004, 10:14 AM

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Why did nellie Take Dirk out 2-3 mins before halftime? stupid move.

An usual -but not sane, as usual-- Nellie gimmick. But Adelman knows Nelson pretty well, didn't respond, and took the first half.

SeriousSummer · 04-22-2004, 01:17 PM

Answer is:

He'd just picked up his third foul & Nellie didn't want him to get 4 before half.

Chiwas · 04-22-2004, 03:22 PM

Often the truth is simpler than it looks.

Good point.

mavs_afroman · 04-22-2004, 05:04 PM

Good point. Wrong game. I think everyone's referring to game two when Dirk only had one foul at half time.

Murphy3 · 04-22-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
Answer is:

He'd just picked up his third foul & Nellie didn't want him to get 4 before half.

(4:31) [DAL] Nowitzki Foul: Shooting (1 PF)
(4:31) [SAC 54-53] Stojakovic Free Throw 1 of 2 (12 PTS)
(4:31) [SAC 55-53] Stojakovic Free Throw 2 of 2 (13 PTS)

Notice anything? Please, do a little research next time. Dirk's first foul didn't come until there was just 4:31 left in the third.

mavsman55 · 04-22-2004, 06:29 PM

This wouldn't have been a big deal except that we lost the game by 2 points (4 on the scoreboard, but only because we had to foul). 2 more points would have won or tied that game for us. Dirk was the only hot one on the floor at that time, there was absolutely no reason to take him out.

dude1394 · 04-23-2004, 02:27 AM

It's not a big deal, in fact I would argue that nothing in the first half of a game is really a big deal except letting someone pick up an extra foul or letting a team get away from them. Maybe the guy needed a blow, sheesh. It's nitpicky at best.

mavsman55 · 04-23-2004, 05:31 AM

Dude you have a point, but remember, halftime was 2 minutes away. He can get all the rest he needs then.

Dooby · 04-23-2004, 09:29 AM

The real point is this:

<u>If Nellie had established a set rotation at any point during the regular season, we wouldn't even be talking about this.</u>

However Nellie hasn't used a set rotation for 25 years, even though damn near every other coach has one. On most teams, you can set your watch by when players enter and leave the game. I suspect that if the Mavericks did have a set rotation, benching your best player with 2 minutes to go in the half would not be part of it.

Chiwas · 04-23-2004, 10:15 AM

Well, if your main player has only one foul and the coach removes him lasting 2 minutes for the buzzer, and he is not injured or having problems with a thug on the court or a ref, the coach certainly either has a weird agenda, or has not one at all.

If they weren't the cases, I go back to the gimmick, which I still don't figure out what it could have been for, which seems to not have worked anyway.

Simon2 · 04-23-2004, 12:23 PM

Why are we even trying to analyze Nellie's rotation moves? We all know its based on what Nellie feels like at the time. Analyzing the substitution pattern is useless.

Agree, it was a stupid move. Also, Jamison should get into the game quicker.

mavsman55 · 04-24-2004, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by: Simon2
Why are we even trying to analyze Nellie's rotation moves? We all know its based on what Nellie feels like at the time. Analyzing the substitution pattern is useless.

Agree, it was a stupid move. Also, Jamison should get into the game quicker.

Also, Bradley should get into the game period. Analyzing the substitution pattern is useless, unless your coach has your key to winning games sitting on the dang bench the entire game.

ashjensen · 04-24-2004, 01:51 AM

>PubaNWO wrote:
>Dirk needs to play less....
>he needs to play less than Finley and just a tad more than Nash....

this is the stupidest thing i've read on here. pubanwo is obviously a flamer. any gimp who thinks dirk should play less than a struggling and crappy michael finley is obviously screwed up in the head or retarded.

as mentioned before, dirk was taken out when he was playing well and it was crucial and as a result williams shot two that went nowhere and we were down at the half because of it. i knew this was a mistake the minute i saw this happen, not because we lost the game, but because this seemed like a really bad coaching move.

obviously some other people saw this coaching move as bad too. dirk was playing well at this point, both offensively and defensively and only had one foul. very bad move by nellie imo. dirk would have rested at the half of course. duh