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[toucandave]

Ok, I thought about this for about 10 seconds which must be about twice as long as some of these other trade proposals I've read, so I figured that I MUST share it with you.




Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Grant Hill (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -14.0 ppg, -8.3 rpg, and -4.5 apg.

Orlando trades: PF Grant Hill (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)
Orlando receives: PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
SG Kobe Bryant (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 65 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.9 ppg, +7.8 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

L.A. Lakers trades: SG Kobe Bryant (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.6 minutes)
L.A. Lakers receives: SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.1 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Of course, Dallas also gets Orlando's #1 pick and the Lakeshow's #1

Palatable to everyone involved? I think so.

[LRB]

Yeah, I'd do this one in a heartbeat no matter what position Orlando will be drafting in.

[MikeB]

Has Grant Hill been hurt so long he turned into a PF?

[toucandave]

It's too bad about his injuries, he seemed to have alot of promising talent. Although he's listed as a PF, I think IR would be the appropriate initials. But they say he's coming back...who can tell. I wouldn't count on it though.

So from the Lakers view or the Magic, doesn't it seem to make sense for them too?

[dalmations202]

Sure I'd do it for both the #1's. As long as Orlando is in the top 5, and I think they have to be.

[grndmstr_c]

So from the Lakers view or the Magic, doesn't it seem to make sense for them too?

I'd say so. The Magic wouldn't have to worry about Kobe bolting since they'd have him on a long term deal - which would in turn probably make them a little more receptive to the Walker/Hill/#1 deal than if they had to worry about TMac bolting next year. The Lakers would get value in return for Kobe, and would almost certainly have no trouble resigning TMac next year. The biggest question mark would be whether Kobe would facilitate a S&T to with the Magic. Personally I think he might, if only because you know he'd be dying to prove that he could go farther in Orlando than TMac was able to.

[SeriousSummer]

I have to admit, I like this better than almost any deal I've seen. Dallas facilitates the swap of Bryant & T-Mac and gets two number ones in return for Walker. My only question is: Couldn't L.A. & Orlando just swap Bryant & T-Mac & keep their No. 1 picks? Is their a reason they need Dallas to make the deal work?

[grndmstr_c]

Is their a reason they need Dallas to make the deal work?

I think you're right here, SS. And because of that I don't see it as very likely that we'd get LA's first rounder. That said, I do think that a TMac/Kobe swap would facilitate Orlando doing the Walker trade, and Orlando's #1 would be enough for me to want to get in on the action.

[toucandave]

Yeah these deals could be done seperately, and the flaw you point out is the only one I thought of too. So at worst there are 2 seperate deals, Orlando's fans are happy and won't mind losing the #1, but I thought if we could ask for LA's #1 before their deal is consumated, we might be able to get it if the cards were played right. Make sense to me, but I like to drink alot so who knows.

[bcrav4]

Kobe would want at least a little scoring help wouldn't he? That is why AW is included.

[mavs413]

So Starting Lineups after these trades:

<u>Orlando</u>
Tyronn Lue/Free Agent
Kobe Bryant
Pat Garrity
Antoine Walker
Drew Gooden

<u>LA Lakers</u>
Derek Fisher
Tracy McGrady
Devean George
Karl Malone
Shaquille O'Neal

1.<u>Dallas</u>
Steve Nash
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Dirk Nowitzki
Emeka Okafor

2.<u>Dallas</u>
Steve Nash
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Dwight Howard
Dirk Nowitzki

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: mavs413
So Starting Lineups after these trades:

<u>Orlando</u>
Tyronn Lue/Free Agent
Kobe Bryant
Pat Garrity
Antoine Walker
Drew Gooden

<u>LA Lakers</u>
Derek Fisher
Tracy McGrady
Devean George
Karl Malone
Shaquille O'Neal

1.<u>Dallas</u>
Steve Nash
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Dirk Nowitzki
Emeka Okafor

2.<u>Dallas</u>
Steve Nash
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Dwight Howard
Dirk Nowitzki

DAMN.... Orlando is going to contend if that happened.

[Stressboy]

Dallas trades:
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.6 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Future 1st

Dallas receives:
SG Kobe Bryant (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.6 minutes)
SG Grant Hill (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.6 minutes)

L.A. Lakers trades:
SG Kobe Bryant (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.6 minutes)

L.A. Lakers receives:
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 67 games)

Orlando trades:
SG Grant Hill (23.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.6 minutes)
SG Tracy McGrady (28.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg in 39.9 minutes)

Orlando receives:
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 48 games)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 42 games)

Philadelphia trades:
SG Allen Iverson (26.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.8 apg in 42.5 minutes)
SF Glenn Robinson (16.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.9 minutes)

Philadelphia receives:
SG Michael Finley (18.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.9 apg in 72 games)
PF Antoine Walker (14.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in 82 games)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
Future 1st

TRADE ACCEPTED

We have to give up Josh Howard, a number 1, and Fin, but I'd do it in a heartbeat and no, it does not get you a lottery pick. If Philly would rather have Jamison you still do the trade, but you have to move Fin at that point.

Nash/Danials
Kobe/LLE
Jamison/Najera/TAW
Dirk/Fortson
Bradley/Williams

Lakers replace Kobe with T-Mac what a deal:
Fisher/TMac/George/???/Shaq

Philly unloads Iverson and Robinson for 2 all-stars a pick, and essentially the #10 pick last year. They also keep their current pick.
Snow/Fin/Howard/Walker/Dalembert - Biedrens(#9) That is a big bad lineup if you ask me and they have McKie/Salmons/Kenny Thomas coming off the bench. They instantly vault into contention in the east.

Orlando clears Most of Grants cap because of Robinson's 1 year deal, get AI to replace T-Mac and keep #1.
???/AI/Robinson/Gooden/Okafur - pickup any decent size PG they can for Juan.

Kobe does it because although he is with good to great players, he is still the man.
T-Mac wants to be a Laker.

Stressboy

[SaltwaterChaffy]

Amazing trade, and I would love it (assuming Kobe is free) but just seems to blockbuster to happen.

[Dirkenstien]

That is indeed a very good trade...props to stressboy

[StvNash13]

Great trade for almost everybody involved, except Orlando, in my opinion. If they can get Kobe for T-mac, instead of AI, they would surely do it without Dallas and Philly involved. This is what concerns me about all of these trades. I think both Orlando and LA are better off just trading straight up without interference from other teams.

[toucandave]

I tend to agree, if both Orlando and LA are going to be involved in a 2 or more team trade where both TMac and Kobe are leaving, they would definitely be swapping teams. Well maybe not definitely, but I would at least think that would be the case. If they did that, Orlando still gets to keep their #1, or trade it if they wish for cap relief (adding Walker and losing Hill). Again, if they wanted cap relief badly enough, and we new of this impending trade, we could ask for a late pick from LA and get involved that way.

[Stressboy]

First off for the naysayers, Kobe will not agree to go to Orlando. LA, Houston, Phoenix and SA are the reported destinations of McGrady's choice. As for the GM of Orlando he is in a tough spot. He has three paths he can go down if he must move McGrady.

1) He cleans house and goes with youth. Thus a straight up trade with Phoenix is the best as they can give young studs and lots of good picks, but he is stuck with the Grant Hill deal, though he can go to Dallas afterwards to get Walker. In fact if he is smart he will do the Dallas deal before the pheonix deal so that Cuban does not try to get any of the phoenix picks or players.

2) He can get the best deal that will clear cap and get a decent core of players to try and win now. Given that he has to work with the teams on McGradys wish list, Houston becomes a clear player here because as he can get Francis/Mobley/Cato/6.9 trade exception for Hill/McGrady thus giving him a PG/SG/Center and some instant cap relief. Would Houston have the guts to pull the trigger? I doubt it, but they would be stupid not to. Francis has star pull and with that core they and Okafur at PF, they are in pretty good shape, but he is tied to this core for a long time 4-6 years

3) He can try to work a 3rd team into the deal to get the star name he needs and clear the cap so he has flexibility to go after free agents next summer. This is where my deal came from.

Of the 3 the third gives him what he needs most which is a star (they are trying to get a new stadium and he can't start from scratch) and the flexibilty to build around his star while all the while keeping his pick.

Of course having thought about it from Philly's perspective, they might want Jamison instead of Finley or they might actually want Finley/Jamison to change image and build around. If they wanted Jamison in any of the deals I pull Howard off the table as we still need that SF slot filled.

Stressboy