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arkuo · 07-22-2004, 09:21 PM

Dallas trades: Jon Stefansson ( ppg, rpg, apg in minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.1 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
PF Elton Brand (20.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 38.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.7 ppg, +3.4 rpg, and +3.0 apg.

New Jersey trades: PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 36.5 minutes)
New Jersey receives: PF Danny Fortson (3.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 56 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
Change in team outlook: +8.3 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and -4.1 apg.

Denver trades: C Marcus Camby (8.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 30.0 minutes)
PG Andre Miller (14.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.1 apg in 34.6 minutes)
Denver receives: Jon Stefansson ( ppg, rpg, apg in games)
PG Jason Kidd (15.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 9.2 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.9 ppg, -8.2 rpg, and +1.3 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
PF Elton Brand (20.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 38.8 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: C Marcus Camby (8.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 72 games)
PG Andre Miller (14.8 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 6.1 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.1 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

mavs...
C- brand / bradley / benga
PF- dirk / najera / laettner
SF- howard / walker
SG- quis / finley
PG- harris / jaric / avery

for new jersey...
since they let go of martin for 3 first round picks, i guess they wanted to rebuild.. and what a way to start rebuilding by taking them out of their biggest and longest contract in kidd..

for denver...
what a way to reunite kidd and martin on the same team in one offseason.. since they have the young nene and martin on the team, camby should be the odd man out.. plus they get a young PG in stefansson when kidd retires..

for clippers...
they get camby and andre miller to fill the spots for the C and PG position.. they have camby, magette, miller and livingston.. that's a good team..

for the mavs...
basically its a 2 for 4 trade.. we trim our roster down and get the hardworking brand to bang down low.. since jaric is on his final year of his contract, it gives us another PG to rent for a year... but we're still left with walker though...

Richie41 · 07-22-2004, 09:30 PM

Not only Cuban has to think about this, but also NJ, Denver, and Clippers.

Works in theory, but 4 team trades are tricky.

fin4life · 07-22-2004, 09:40 PM

It seems to work for all teams involved. NJ is not getting great talent... but if kidd wants out, they have to get something. GREAT TRADE!
BTW, would people have problem with Brand playing center even though he is really a PF.

arkuo · 07-22-2004, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by: fin4life
It seems to work for all teams involved. NJ is not getting great talent... but if kidd wants out, they have to get something. GREAT TRADE!
BTW, would people have problem with Brand playing center even though he is really a PF.

i don't think so coz he's got the size to play center.. just lacks the height.. ben wallace can play center, why can brand? he'd do great with the likes of webber, duncan and even yao.. he can bang down low and is atill harworking in hopeless clipperland.. if he can manage to work hard tere, imagine what he can do for dallas... he'll be more motivated IMO.. btw, with shaq in the east, he still wouldn't get all beat up come playoff time...

Poindexter Einstein · 07-22-2004, 11:36 PM

This trade makes no sense for any of the 4 teams, except perhaps Dallas.

NJ trades away an All-star with a big contract ... and gets back 3 non-stars with similar longterm deals. They gain nothing, and lose their star. Huh?

Denver loses their key big man, and gains a PG (and they already have two). They have tried to be careful with money, and now toss it all away on one bad contract (Kidd). They trade young for old. Did they have a lobotomy planned right before you plan to make this ofer?

LAC already had Miller and said no thanks, didnt they? No way they want him back. Brand for Camby? Surely you jest.

So basically this trade is "Dallas trades away junk and gets talent" Everyone else gets screwed. Ummmmm aint gonna happen, no way.

endtroducing · 07-23-2004, 12:08 AM

if this trade were ever put on the table, I think each team would do it. Kidd doesn't want any part of NJ, and NJ doesn't want any part of Kidd. the way things are going now with Kidd healthwise, he may not even play out the remainder of his deal...it's possible that he'll retire before it's over. plus, denver needs to do something about their frontline- three starters for two positions. kenyon, jason and melo? frightening. plus, Boykins will get more minutes when Kidd tires out.

NJ desperatley needs rebounding with the departure of Martin, and Fortson is in the upper echelon of rebounders in the league...the Nets aren't even really looking to be competitive until they move to Brooklyn. eliminating Kidd's deal and getting decent players back would be a win-win for them, freeing money up and maybe allowing them to re-sign Jefferson next season. people forget Stackhouse is almost a career 23, 24 point per night player.

LAC also needs a center pretty badly. kaman is decent, but he's still learning...Camby is a solid player, as is Miller (who is capable of being an all-star). Miller nurturing Livingston would be a great situation for them. they lose Brand, but they get good players back...solid foundation for the future (how many times have they done that?). it's already been proven Sterling doesn't care about winning, so why wouldn't they do it?

all that said, it'd be really unlikely to see this go down, but still, a very intelligent proposition.

Jamisonite · 07-23-2004, 01:24 AM

Ok im sorry but LA doesnt do this deal. Brand is the only real star in this deal that still has a future. They are really high on Jaric.

So you give them an overpaid Camby and Andre Miller(who they couldnt wait to get rid of)....sorry...LA would laugh

endtroducing · 07-23-2004, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Ok im sorry but LA doesnt do this deal. Brand is the only real star in this deal that still has a future. They are really high on Jaric.

So you give them an overpaid Camby and Andre Miller(who they couldnt wait to get rid of)....sorry...LA would laugh

honestly, do you think they really care about winning?

Jamisonite · 07-23-2004, 01:32 AM

obviously they do since they tried to make a run at kobe. But gimme a break, Camby cant hold Brands jock

Psychedelic Fuzz · 07-23-2004, 01:32 AM

If they don't care, why would they want to do any deal?

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by: Psychedelic Fuzz
If they don't care, why would they want to do any deal?

and they wouldn't have bothered re-signing anyone last season. They could have signed players as needed to keep the roster above 10.

endtroducing · 07-23-2004, 02:07 AM

if they keep decent players on a team, with just enough starpower to draw an alright crowd, and stay under the cap...sterling pockets all the coin. he's done it for years.

Poindexter Einstein · 07-23-2004, 02:25 AM

"if they keep decent players on a team, with just enough starpower to draw an alright crowd"

And Brand (!) has way more starpower than Camby. This deal makes NO sense for LAC.

It also makes no sense for NJ. They dont help their cap enough to speak of, and they lose their only star - getting back 3 spares. Would you trade Dirk for those 3? No you wouldnt - nor would NJ trade Kidd for them.

Makes no sense for Den either.

Heck, if you can do this deal, instead trade that set plus Walker, to MIA for Shaq. Makes about as much sense.

endtroducing · 07-23-2004, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
"if they keep decent players on a team, with just enough starpower to draw an alright crowd"

And Brand (!) has way more starpower than Camby. This deal makes NO sense for LAC.

It also makes no sense for NJ. They dont help their cap enough to speak of, and they lose their only star - getting back 3 spares. Would you trade Dirk for those 3? No you wouldnt - nor would NJ trade Kidd for them.

Makes no sense for Den either.

Heck, if you can do this deal, instead trade that set plus Walker, to MIA for Shaq. Makes about as much sense.

wow, calm down. it's not like anyone is actually putting their hopes on this GETTING done. it was just a fun idea.

breathe...inhale, exhale.

Poindexter Einstein · 07-23-2004, 01:46 PM

You think criticizing a trade idea, and pointing out how nutty it is, is somehow overreacting? Nahhhhhhhhh.

This one sucks. And isnt pointing at its monstrous flaws part of the fun?

Dont take such offense when people respond to your posts, dude. If you post trade ideas, you gotta take the bad with the good especially when the "ideas" have the Mavs somehow miraculously making out like a bandit at the expense of every trade partner in the deal.

LRB · 07-23-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by: endtroducing
if they keep decent players on a team, with just enough starpower to draw an alright crowd, and stay under the cap...sterling pockets all the coin. he's done it for years.

They already have decent players and are already under the cap. They wouldn't be saving any money by making this move and since they don't care about winning according to you, you still have yet to give any coherent reason as to why the Clips would make this trade.

jabbadahut · 07-23-2004, 06:10 PM

brand aint going anywhere and the clips happily rolled out the red carpet for andre miller to go to denver. he ain't coming back.

reggiemiller · 07-23-2004, 10:23 PM

wow. Denver would be the team to beat. Kidd reunited with Martin, along with Nene and Melo.

fin4life · 07-24-2004, 11:47 AM

If the clippers dont want to take back miller, we should throw in the right to pavel to sweeten the deal.

fin4life · 07-24-2004, 09:38 PM

now that i look at this trade, we can do this deal without the troubles of a 4-way deal. It would be easier if we offered the clippers a lot of players to pry away brand and Jaric.

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.4 minutes)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 20.5 minutes)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SF Jon Stefansson (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 29.8 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 23.7 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Elton Brand (20.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 38.8 minutes)
SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (20.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.3 apg in 38.8 minutes)
SG Marko Jaric (8.5 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: PG Tony Delk (6.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 33 games)
PF Christian Laettner (5.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 48 games)
SF Jerry Stackhouse (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
SF Jon Stefansson (13.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 26 games)
SF Josh Howard (8.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 67 games)
Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and +0.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Since the clippers only have 7 or 8 players on their team, it would be better for them to aquire a more players than deal 2 for 2. With this deal, I would feel very confident about this summer.