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Chiwas · 07-11-2005, 08:33 PM

You don't need to convince the blue US about the awful President, and certainly you wouldn't convince the red. What you need to do is to convince both about the changes and benefits you would be able to offer being President. (Any reply, Mrs. Clinton, here or e-mail me)

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton attacks President Bush, comparing him to Alfred E. Neuman

ASPEN, Colo. — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton went on the attack against President Bush in a speech Sunday, accusing him of damaging the economy by overspending while giving tax cuts to the rich.

The Democrat from New York also accused Bush of depriving U.S. soldiers of equipment needed to fight the war in Iraq and cutting funding for scientific research.

"I sometimes feel that Alfred E. Neuman is in charge in Washington," Clinton said referring to the freckle-faced Mad magazine character. She drew a laugh from crowd when she described Bush's attitude toward tough issues with Neuman's catchphrase: "What, me worry?"

Clinton, who was speaking during the inaugural Aspen Ideas Festival, organized by the Aspen Institute nonpartisan think tank, didn't mention the presidential election in 2008.

She said the United States should remain in Iraq until peace can be maintained by the Iraqi people, saying the mission was part of the "long struggle against terrorism" by the U.S.

"The threat of terrorism is as close as our daily commute," said Clinton, adding that people around the world admired the "famous resilience" of the British in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks.

When it came to the economy, Clinton accused the Bush administration of focusing on helping the wealthy while hurting the middle class, which she said has been key to Americans' success and stability.

She said the middle class is now being threatened by an ailing economy caused by the growing national debt, growing health care costs, the loss of pensions and the loss of manufacturing diversity. Clinton also said the U.S. needs to focus on exploring alternative energy sources to become less reliant on oil.

Information from: The Aspen Times

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dude1394 · 07-11-2005, 08:36 PM

So since clinton agrees with dubya.. "saying the mission was part of the "long struggle against terrorism" by the U.S.". Are you still going to support her?

Chiwas · 07-11-2005, 09:08 PM

I like that she supports her country in a war, yes. It talks very well about her being from an opposite party than Bush's. It talks very well about her as a real patriot, something that I couldn't say about Bush and his stupid wars with hidden -not very hidden, really- personal interests.

But my point here is, she shouldn't use this tactic to win the presidency or to belitte Bush, she needn't to.

dude1394 · 07-11-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by: Chiwas
I like that she supports her country in a war, yes. It talks very well about her being from an opposite party than Bush's. It talks very well about her as a real patriot, something that I couldn't say about Bush and his stupid wars with hidden -not very hidden, really- personal interests.

But my point here is, she shouldn't use this tactic to win the presidency or to belitte Bush, she needn't to.

Hmmm...strange chiwas, here she AGREES with what you call Bush's "stupid" war as well as having voted for it. What exactly are you talking about?

Mavdog · 07-11-2005, 09:46 PM

It seems that the political abilities of the Clintons have been forgotten.

How did Bill win the presidency? He was able to take on the mantle of a centrist. A person that the moderates (the majority of the American pop) could easily trust and vote for.

Hillary has increased her approval ratings in NY by doing the very same thing. There's not any opponent who will come close to contesting the NY senate election.

The Bush as Alfred E. Neuman is hilarious, and with Bush's approval ratings pretty mediocre across the country- and most likely even more dismal in NY- it is getting a favorable reaction by her constituents I bet.

She is not taking a tact of being anti-war just to show that she is against and opposite Bush, and that is classic Clinton. Anybody who advocates a "cut and run" position on Iraq wil have a tough time winning the middle. That is viewed as not supporting the troops, and she clearly wants to be seen as supporting the troops while at the same time being anti-Bush.

She's very smart. and very good. I can see why republicans are scared of her running, exemplified by their constant belittlement of her.
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The statement that Iraq is part of "the long struggle against terrorism" doesn't claim that Iraq was a part of the terrorist network, It merely reflects the fact, the reality, that we are very deep in Iraq, and that the war there is now a part of that struggle. If we had not invaded Iraq, if our armed forces were not on the ground battling everyday, it might never have become a part of that struggle.

It is a consequence, a result, not a reason.

dude1394 · 07-11-2005, 11:02 PM

Cool...since you support Hillary, I'm glad to see you've finally come around to her and dubya's thinking on the iraq war.

Drbio · 07-12-2005, 12:55 AM

The Hildebeast continues to be nothing shy of a bitch.

Mavdog · 07-12-2005, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by: Drbio
The Hildebeast continues to be nothing shy of a bitch.

as I said, " I can see why republicans are scared of her running, exemplified by their constant belittlement of her"

FishForLunch · 07-12-2005, 01:01 PM

I am sure she will be the next president. She will be surely better than that A..Holes Biden, Kerry and Edwards. She is also better than the back stabbing McCain or Clueless Frist. I dont think Jeb will be running for president in 2008 too bad.

dude1394 · 07-12-2005, 02:11 PM

Yea, it's not like the democrats ever belittle bush. Heh..

But hopefully no democrat will ever get elected again until they can at least espouse their own positions and not pretend to be an conservative.

Drbio · 07-12-2005, 07:21 PM

Mavdogs classic habitual misdirect....accuse the Repubs of anything but don't acknowledge the facts.

dude1394 · 12-30-2005, 01:59 PM

This should bolster HillaryCare..

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Authorities in Grampian in Scotland are reporting their progress in reducing wait times for medical tests.

"The latest statistics show waits for ultrasound have fallen from 18 weeks to 11, MRI from 42 to 19, barium studies from 18 to six and CT scans from seven to four."

Can you imagine having to wait almost five months for an MRI here or close to three months for an ultrasound? The goal in Grampian is to get down to nine weeks by the end of 2007. I'm sure that that would be a great improvement there, but would be unacceptable here. Those trumpeting the benefits of state-supplied health care need to explain how their solutions would be any better than what we see in other countries with such government health care.