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alexamenos · 11-06-2006, 11:48 AM

Does anyone else here think Bill just really sucks?

I'm really sick the fat and listless one. Granted, he may have won two super bowls when, perhaps coincidentally, Bill Belichick was coaching his vaunted Giants' D. But he's done nothing special whatsoever in Dallas. He's had bushels of draft picks, plenty of cap space, and four full years and what's he given us....

Nothing Special. Average. Underachieving. Inconsistent. 500 Ball is All.

Bill Parcels as....

Disciplinarian? Not remotely, otherwise the Cowboys wouldn't be the most penalized team in the NFL.

Motivator? Not likely.....Week two was the last time the 'boys came out and scored first in a game.

Talent Evaluator? Not even, a dart throwing chimp could have done better than Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Fasano, and Skylar Green.

Game Manager? No way...going for two was stupid, and that ain't hindsight.

the dude sucks.....

cheers

Flacolaco · 11-06-2006, 11:50 AM

Yeah if he was a real coach he'd get out there, put some pads on, and block on field goals....

Male30Dan · 11-06-2006, 12:00 PM

In related news, Bill Parcells sucks too!

Drbio · 11-06-2006, 12:01 PM

I feel like he has already mailed it in, but I wouldn't say he sucks.

Male30Dan · 11-06-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

I feel like he has already mailed it in, but I wouldn't say he sucks.

He has a great point about this years draft, that is for sure. He also has a point about his motivation, discipline, and his game management, at least for last week.

In all reality, the guy doesn't suck at all, but he has made some poor decisions recently. With that said, he has also drafted some studs.

MavKikiNYC · 11-06-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

Nothing Special. Average. Underachieving. Inconsistent. 500 Ball is All.

Bill Parcels as....

Disciplinarian? Not remotely, otherwise the Cowboys wouldn't be the most penalized team in the NFL.

Tough to give TO the kick in the ass he so richly deserves when so doing would also risk giving the team owner a concussion.

But, nah...I never thought I'd see some of what's gone on go on under a Bill Parcells-coached team.

Windmill360 · 11-06-2006, 12:13 PM

Valid question here..... Who would you rather have? (Someone who is currently or nearly available not someone who is coaching another team)

Male30Dan · 11-06-2006, 12:19 PM

CAMPO!!!

MavKikiNYC · 11-06-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

Valid question here..... Who would you rather have? (Someone who is currently or nearly available not someone who is coaching another team)

JERRY SLOAN!

u2sarajevo · 11-06-2006, 12:43 PM

I have always hated Bill Parcels..... and just in case you were wondering.... this last game did not change my thinking.

WHO FRICKIN' CARES ABOUT GOING FOR 2 IN THE FIRST QUARTER????? AND TWO YEARS AGO YOU SAID YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE CHART.... NOW YOU DO??? WHICH IS IT YOU LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry for yelling. I'm hurting.

MavsX · 11-06-2006, 12:50 PM

anger

alexamenos · 11-06-2006, 01:14 PM

That mooseknuckle thing is extremely disturbing....come to think of it, maybe I should have entitled the thread "Bill Parcels is a Mooseknuckle".

anyhooo.....

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Originally Posted by Male23Dan

He has a great point about this years draft, that is for sure. He also has a point about his motivation, discipline, and his game management, at least for last week.

In all reality, the guy doesn't suck at all, but he has made some poor decisions recently. With that said, he has also drafted some studs.

Here's my point...by definition, if a headcoach/gm doesn't do a good job: a) motivating; b) talent evaluating; c) disciplining; and d) game managing, then he's not a good coach. That is to say, Parcells does suck (IMHO) if we judge him by reality rather than pre-conceived notions about him being a coaching legend.

Yeah...he's drafted a few studs, and even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. In the case of Ware, I'd say Ware is giving you what you should get from a top 10 pick, and even still the wisdom of this pick really depends on just how much Shaun Merriman is benefiting from 'roids.....beyond that Barber looks like a really good pick up in the 4th round, and the jury is still out on several others.

Then again, Parcells drafted Steven Peterman and Jacob Rogers on Day 1 of the 2004 draft, and wouldn't it be nice if the cowboys had actually hit on at least one of those two picks.

alexamenos · 11-06-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MavKikiNYC

Tough to give TO the kick in the ass he so richly deserves when so doing would also risk giving the team owner a concussion.

But, nah...I never thought I'd see some of what's gone on go on under a Bill Parcells-coached team.

If Bill Parcells is such a p-ss that he can't say to jerry, "look Jerry, I've got to kick this guy in the ass because he's hurting the team", then Bill Parcells sucks indeed.

alexamenos · 11-06-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

Valid question here..... Who would you rather have? (Someone who is currently or nearly available not someone who is coaching another team)

chan gailey.

alexamenos · 11-06-2006, 01:31 PM

Dungy, in my estimation, is a really good talent evaluator. The Colts have shown much-better-than-averageness under TD's watch, and maybe they would have shown much more had dungy's great misjudgment in keeping that a-wipe vander-hoff on the team....more than that, Gruden won a Superbowl with Dungy's talent in Tampa Bay.

So, let's compare and contrast looking closely at the '04 class -- Parcells had an advantage over Dungy in that he was drafting ahead of Dungy, and these guys are into their third year as pros which means we can have a fairly good idea of where they're headed:

Julius Jones RB--good HB, plus value for trading down
Jacob Rogers T--wussed out
Stephen Peterman G--backup on lousy team
Bruce Thornton CB--cut by jets
Sean Ryan TE--Jets, 4 receptions for 31 yards in 8 games
Nathan Jones CB--practice squad? hasn't played in a game all year
Patrick Crayton WR--nice third receiver, maybe a number 2 one day
Jacques Reeves CB--dime back/special teamer type of guy.

A decent running back, a 2nd or third option at wide out, and a couple of backups. That's nothing terribly special. If you consider how nice it would be right now if the cowboys had a couple of young stud o-lineman on the team, then this draft was pretty much a bust.

Now, let's compare Parcells record to Tony Dungy in the 04 draft.

Bob Sanders FS--Colts starting FS
Ben Hartsock TE--backup TE for Titans
Gilbert Gardner OLB--Colts starting LB
Kendyll Pope LB--long gone
Jason David CB--Colts starting corner
Jake Scott G--Colts starting guard
Von Hutchins CB-- long gone
Jim Sorgi QB--Colts backup
David Kimball K--long gone

So....

Drafting from the same talent pool, and giving Parcells the advantage of first choice--Parcells finds one starter and a couple of backups for a 500 team, Dungy finds 4 starters and a couple of backups for an 8-0 team.

Dungy = Great Evaluator
Parcells = Suck

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Ninkobei · 11-06-2006, 02:43 PM

I personally think Parcells is a fine coach. Hell every Cowboy game I watch is entertaining. That really is the whole purpose isnt it? Obviously it would be nice to win a few playoff games as well, but until this year the cowboys havent really had the team to do it. I dont blame parcells at all for the loss versus washington, nor do I blame Romo, and I fully expect them to bounce back against the Cardinals- with a vengence.
Heck, With all of the media attention surrounding the cowboys I'm impressed Parcells has kept the team together for as long as he has.

nah-vit-ski · 11-06-2006, 11:20 PM

Parcells>you

End of story.

vjz · 11-07-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Yeah if he was a real coach he'd get out there, put some pads on, and block on field goals....

ROFL

Dtownsfinest · 11-07-2006, 02:50 AM

Come back when the season is over with. Parcells deserves that atleast. Give me Parcells over any of the coaches out there currently available. Had the Cowboys won yesterday Parcells would've been a genius for another week. Instead, they lose and the knee jerking begins. And I wouldn't throw all the blame on Parcells. He has a coaching staff here who deserves its share of crap.

kerensa · 11-07-2006, 09:26 AM

one word..
bobby carpenter and anthony fasano

alexamenos · 11-07-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nah-vit-ski

Parcells>you

End of story.

that's a good point, but I might add....

24 or 25 other NFL Coaches > Parcells > Me

alexamenos · 11-07-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Come back when the season is over with. Parcells deserves that atleast. Give me Parcells over any of the coaches out there currently available. Had the Cowboys won yesterday Parcells would've been a genius for another week. Instead, they lose and the knee jerking begins. And I wouldn't throw all the blame on Parcells. He has a coaching staff here who deserves its share of crap.

I'm not knee-jerking here as we're half way through Parcells 4th season -- the assessment is made based on what I've seen over the last 56 regular season games and one playoff game.

Certainly things could change between now and the end of the season. But that's rather the point, isn't it? If Parcells were doing a particularly good job then a playoff appearance wouldn't be conditioned upon the team playing much better during the second half of the season. (i'd also point out that this team was in better shape going into the second half of the season last year, and then they pussed out)

I'm certainly not arguing for a mid-season change, but rather I'm saying that if this team goes 8-8 or 9-7 than Parcells should go....the 400 pound, 80 year old Parcells isn't going to achieve next year what he hasn't achieved in the last 4 years. He is what he is, that is.

I don't know how much blame I'd put on the assistants, either. Last year Parcells wouldn't let Sean Payton do much more than carry a clipboard around the sidelines and right now the Saints are 6-2.

Dtownsfinest · 11-07-2006, 12:22 PM

So am I to blame Parcells for our defense giving up big plays? Do you want him to go out there and play on the field himself lol? Zimmerman is coach of the defense. I don't solely blame him for our defensive lapses but he gets his share of blame just like Roy Williams and our Free Saftey's as well as Parcells. We really need to sit back and look at the personel of this team. We have some great players at key positions as well as some inexperienced ones. I wouldn't blame Parcells for the downfall of last season. Not much you can do when your quarterback plays like shi*. Parcells should take responsbility for the penalties that are costing this team but outside of that I can't give him sole blame for anything else.

Dtownsfinest · 11-07-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kerensa

one word..
bobby carpenter and anthony fasano

One word ehh? I'll give you one word...ROMO.

Flacolaco · 11-07-2006, 12:23 PM

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Parcells should take responsbility for the penalties that are costing this team but outside of that I can't give him sole blame for anything else.

Im pretty sure he did say that was his fault, in a press conference either yesterday or after the game.

Dtownsfinest · 11-07-2006, 12:33 PM

I wasn't saying Parcells hadn't taken blame. I actually have missed his press conferences. I don't really want to hear anything Cowboys related until gametime this Sunday lol. Still not that loss in Washington.

Windmill360 · 11-07-2006, 03:56 PM

So instead of Parcells we want:

Chan Gailey
Jerry Sloan (not available for obvious reasons)
Dave Campo (isn't he coaching defense somewhere?)

#1MavsFan · 11-07-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

So am I to blame Parcells for our defense giving up big plays? Do you want him to go out there and play on the field himself lol? Zimmerman is coach of the defense. I don't solely blame him for our defensive lapses but he gets his share of blame just like Roy Williams and our Free Saftey's as well as Parcells. We really need to sit back and look at the personel of this team. We have some great players at key positions as well as some inexperienced ones. I wouldn't blame Parcells for the downfall of last season. Not much you can do when your quarterback plays like shi*. Parcells should take responsbility for the penalties that are costing this team but outside of that I can't give him sole blame for anything else.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dtownsfinest again.

Parcells is doing just fine, we're a much better team now than we were without him. All we need is a cover safety to play along Roy to have a top 2 defense in the league, imo. Roy is a beast when he is allowed to play near the line and blitz the qb. Our offense is finally looking good now that we finally have a young stud at qb who can make big plays. Now we just need our star receiver to hang on to the ball. Also our line looks a lot better now that Bledsoe isn't back there.

alexamenos · 12-08-2006, 05:22 PM

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Does anyone else here think Bill just really sucks?

I'm really sick the fat and listless one. Granted, he may have won two super bowls when, perhaps coincidentally, Bill Belichick was coaching his vaunted Giants' D. But he's done nothing special whatsoever in Dallas. He's had bushels of draft picks, plenty of cap space, and four full years and what's he given us....

Nothing Special. Average. Underachieving. Inconsistent. 500 Ball is All.

Bill Parcels as....

Disciplinarian? Not remotely, otherwise the Cowboys wouldn't be the most penalized team in the NFL.

Motivator? Not likely.....Week two was the last time the 'boys came out and scored first in a game.

Talent Evaluator? Not even, a dart throwing chimp could have done better than Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Fasano, and Skylar Green.

Game Manager? No way...going for two was stupid, and that ain't hindsight.

the dude sucks.....

cheers

you think bill parcells sucks?!? dude, you're an idiot.

Windmill360 · 12-08-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

you think bill parcells sucks?!? dude, you're an idiot.

I know^^^ I agree with this guy.

jdrules05 · 12-10-2006, 08:29 PM

ha. every year it seems like he is gaining weight each year.

mkat · 12-11-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

So am I to blame Parcells for our defense giving up big plays? Do you want him to go out there and play on the field himself lol? Zimmerman is coach of the defense. I don't solely blame him for our defensive lapses but he gets his share of blame just like Roy Williams and our Free Saftey's as well as Parcells. We really need to sit back and look at the personel of this team. We have some great players at key positions as well as some inexperienced ones. I wouldn't blame Parcells for the downfall of last season. Not much you can do when your quarterback plays like shi*. Parcells should take responsbility for the penalties that are costing this team but outside of that I can't give him sole blame for anything else.

we could've picked up an FS that can play coverage well. i blame him for that...you know, that whole buying the groceries thing?

the big play problem has been around this team for years. until they fix it, it'll continue to be one of their biggest weaknesses.

A Fasano is not a bust. The jury is still out on Carpenter.

Flacolaco · 12-11-2006, 02:08 AM

fire parcells.... etc....

mkat · 12-11-2006, 02:31 AM

i did not say that. romo saved his butt so far.

Dtownsfinest · 12-13-2006, 10:32 AM

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Talent Evaluator? Not even, a dart throwing chimp could have done better than Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Fasano, and Skylar Green.

A better question would be, how many talent evaluators would've done better than releasing a highly touted(?) quarterback(Henson) and keeping a undrafted qb who just happens to be the highest rated qb in the league? You have to take the bad with the good. But its not even a full season, yet you've deemed them as bad players.

alexamenos · 12-13-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

A better question would be, how many talent evaluators would've done better than releasing a highly touted(?) quarterback(Henson) and keeping a undrafted qb who just happens to be the highest rated qb in the league? You have to take the bad with the good. But its not even a full season, yet you've deemed them as bad players.

I think Sean Payton is due far more credit in recognizing the value of Romo. Given the outcome of the most recent game, I think it's fair to question whether Payton or Parcells has the better grasp of the game, today.

As for green, he's no longer on the team and I think it's quite reasonable to say at this time that he's a bust. Carpenter? I don't think it's unreasonable to argue that a first round pick should be of some help to this team now, especially given the swiss cheese defense look we've seen for the last two weeks. And what's his face the tight end...ok, I'll give that some time.

Cheers