My Latest Random Offseason Scenario

[kg_veteran]

NOTE: I'm not sure I'm completely sold on this scenario, but it combines some ideas floating around and looks like it might make the Mavs pretty formidable. See what you think:


1. Trade Dampier and Howard for Jermaine O'Neal.
2. Trade Jason Terry for Mike Miller (if you prefer, you can insert Ricky Davis/Corey Maggette/etc.).
3. Sign a SF with the MLE (Hill, Barnes, Mason, Posey, Pietrus -- I'll use Pietrus for purposes of discussion).

O'Neal - Diop - M'Benga
Nowitzki - Pops
Pietrus - Stackhouse
Miller - Ager
Harris - Barea

You've got a great PF/C rotation with O'Neal, Nowitzki, and Diop. I think Pietrus is a good defender and adequate starting SF. You've got a good SG in Miller who can also play some PG. Depth in the backcourt is questionable, but you have to give to get. You could probably sign a backup PG to the vet minimum if necessary.

Thoughts?

[kg_veteran]

No one is thinking today...

[birdsanctuary]

Its interesting KG.

I'd favor Magette
and can't we get a SF back from Indy with O'Neill like Maceo Baston to pad the bench.

also what's the status of Darius Miles, hasn't he just about blown his value completely down the toilet ready for a resurrection Avery style?

[mkat]

we'd need to get a PG somehow...

[DelNegro]

Terry won't get you Miller or Maggette. Teams don't trade "younger, cheaper, better" for "older, more expensive, not as good". Terry for Ricky Davis is probably a fair deal, but Minnesota's already got enough PG-SG tweeners so it's doubtful they'd be interested.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by DelNegro

Terry won't get you Miller or Maggette. Teams don't trade "younger, cheaper, better" for "older, more expensive, not as good". Terry for Ricky Davis is probably a fair deal, but Minnesota's already got enough PG-SG tweeners so it's doubtful they'd be interested.

I think you might be surprised, but you could be right.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Originally Posted by DelNegro

Terry won't get you Miller or Maggette. Teams don't trade "younger, cheaper, better" for "older, more expensive, not as good". Terry for Ricky Davis is probably a fair deal, but Minnesota's already got enough PG-SG tweeners so it's doubtful they'd be interested.

I think we could get Maggete or Davis with him, but not Miller. The Wolves could use a solid PG, and the Clips want to trade Maggette because of the whole issue he has with Coach Dunleavy.

[chumdawg]

Any deal that has Dampier and Terry leaving town is automatically going to be one I'm in favor of. I'd say that these deals do an excellent job of bringing talent back.

[alexamenos]

The more I think about it the more I think the best thing the mavs can do is simply bring back the basic group: Dirk, Josh, JET, Harris, Damp, Gana, and probably Stack.....

They're not perfect by a longshot, but they've made a finals run and had two 60 win seasons.....nobody said winning it all is gonna be easy.

......let 'em sign a pf that can give 'em something for 15 minutes a game and I'm pretty happy with the off-season.

[MavsX]

i might kind of miss howard to tell you the truth.. other than that...

[DelNegro]

Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

I think we could get Maggete or Davis with him, but not Miller. The Wolves could use a solid PG, and the Clips want to trade Maggette because of the whole issue he has with Coach Dunleavy.

The Wolves could use a PG, but unless they can find a way to move someone out of the group of overpaid, underperforming PG's they already have on their roster it's doubtful they'd be interested in taking on another point guard. They've already got stupid money tied up in James, Hudson and Jaric so adding Terry to that mix ties up an awful, awful lot of cash in one position, even if Terry would clearly be the best out of that bunch. Then there's also Randy Foye who's probably best suited to play PG, IMO.

You could be right about Maggette getting moved, but if the Clips do move him I would think they're going to be looking to go cheap and save money by not taking on another big contract.

Terry's a nice player, but he'll be 30 to start next season, he's a tweener, and has 5 years and $49 mil left on his contract. That's going to scare a bunch of teams off.

[dalmations202]

where do I sign KG, and what would be the weakness of the team you traded into?

[Ninkobei]

Terry for Magette would be fantastic. if the mavs could find some way to offload Damp for an expiring contract/backup whatever that would be okay too. at least it gives us some spending money so when dirk is 33 we wont be bogged down by some rediculous contract (outside of his own of course)

How far along is Mbenga? he's our most offensive center as of now..will he be playoff ready in a couple of years? I'd almost be satisfied letting him and Diop take over the reigns next year just to let them work on their game.

[dalmations202]

O'Neal - Diop - M'Benga
Nowitzki - Pops
Pietrus - Stackhouse
Miller - Ager
Harris - Barea

Bucknor would still be a defensive specialist at SG.

You still probably need to look at a backup SF, and backup tweener guard who can shoot.
I'd take my chances with that team though.

It would be an athletic team with only a few holes.

[jthig32]

You'd have to throw in some more money from our side for the Indiana trade. Buckner makes it work.

I seriously doubt Indiana makes that trade though. If they're going to be taking on a contract like Damps, they're going to make you send some more talent than Josh.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

You'd have to throw in some more money from our side for the Indiana trade. Buckner makes it work.

Hmmm, I was operating off of Hoopshype's numbers. They've been wrong before.

I seriously doubt Indiana makes that trade though. If they're going to be taking on a contract like Damps, they're going to make you send some more talent than Josh.

Certainly a possibility.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

Hmmm, I was operating off of Hoopshype's numbers. They've been wrong before.

Well, remember that Josh just got an extension, so he's a base-year player. So his trade number is his salary from this past season, which would still be his rookie contract.

I believe that's right, and realgm shows him as pretty low on the Mavs' salary tree, so that would seem to back that up.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Well, remember that Josh just got an extension, so he's a base-year player. So his trade number is his salary from this past season, which would still be his rookie contract.

I believe that's right, and realgm shows him as pretty low on the Mavs' salary tree, so that would seem to back that up.

You're right. I was discussing this over at LMF as well. I got so wrapped up in understanding the "poison pill" provision that I forgot all about his BYC status.

[MFFL]

ONeal for Howard/Damp/etc works for me. We would eliminate a lot of our scoring problems. We'd have to get a SF but we should be able to get a decent one for cheap this offseason.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Originally Posted by DelNegro

The Wolves could use a PG, but unless they can find a way to move someone out of the group of overpaid, underperforming PG's they already have on their roster it's doubtful they'd be interested in taking on another point guard. They've already got stupid money tied up in James, Hudson and Jaric so adding Terry to that mix ties up an awful, awful lot of cash in one position, even if Terry would clearly be the best out of that bunch. Then there's also Randy Foye who's probably best suited to play PG, IMO.

You could be right about Maggette getting moved, but if the Clips do move him I would think they're going to be looking to go cheap and save money by not taking on another big contract.

Terry's a nice player, but he'll be 30 to start next season, he's a tweener, and has 5 years and $49 mil left on his contract. That's going to scare a bunch of teams off.

You certainly have a point, and you could very well be right. You're probably right about the Wolves now that I think about it, but I think the Clippers would do that trade, we might have to throw a pick or two into the mix to get it done though. The Clips have been shopping Maggette around a bit, and are looking for a solid player in return. It makes sense for them to get a solid shooter especially one that plays the point, with Cassell getting older and older and Livingston being a very longshot to return to his normal form after he is able to return.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

The more I think about it the more I think the best thing the mavs can do is simply bring back the basic group: Dirk, Josh, JET, Harris, Damp, Gana, and probably Stack.....

They're not perfect by a longshot, but they've made a finals run and had two 60 win seasons.....nobody said winning it all is gonna be easy.

......let 'em sign a pf that can give 'em something for 15 minutes a game and I'm pretty happy with the off-season.

I actually fully agree. Unless we can trade Damp and/or Terry for someone like JO or Gasol (which won't happen) I think we should just keep the core intact, try to sign a low post guy that can play some minutes off the bench and maybe someone else like Brevin Knight with the MLE and LLE, maybe package a combination of picks for someone like Wilcox (not him necessarily, but that type of player). There's plenty of stuff we can do while still bringing back the core players that can still improve the team.

[Dortmund]

Originally Posted by mkat

we'd need to get a PG somehow...

perhaps chucky atkins as backup pg... lets work out gasol/chucky for howard/diop

[destroy ALL]

changing 3 starters is WAY too much of a change

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

It's interesting to me that everyone wants to blow up the entire team because we can't beat ONE TEAM! We ran through the league and couldn't beat this one team and bad luck had us facing them in the playoffs. If not we'd still be playing, probably about a game away from the WCF.

[MavsX]

^ we still have some issues with teams like the spurs, suns, pistons though...even if we blow through the league..we still gotta face all of these opponents every year..the winner is a toss up.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

The more I think about it the more I think the best thing the mavs can do is simply bring back the basic group: Dirk, Josh, JET, Harris, Damp, Gana, and probably Stack.....

They're not perfect by a longshot, but they've made a finals run and had two 60 win seasons.....nobody said winning it all is gonna be easy.

......let 'em sign a pf that can give 'em something for 15 minutes a game and I'm pretty happy with the off-season.

You know what, I hate to say it, but you are INDEED right about just leaving us the same core, and add the one true PF that we all have been asking for. I say break the bank on getting that type of player. I wonder who is out there?

First thing first, is that they NEED to sign Stack. Stack is the heart and soul of this team. If you take Stack away, what does that leave the Mavs? They would have to add a Superstar type player to replace Stack, because that person would have to lead by example and have a proven track record to show.

The one true problem is that right PF that we need, will cost us a part of the basic core. I think that is either Dirk or Howard. The odd man out for a small piece maybe Harris. I wonder what can we get with Harris? I would love to get Magette here for Harris and a pick in the draft. I think we could get by w/o a true PF with Magette. Maybe we could add a sign and trade with Croshere as well to entice some sort of deal.

[MascisMan]

Pretty creative idea. I think you are putting a lot of stock into Pops. Granted he has raw athletic talent, but as a backup? I guess technically Cro could be the backup while Pops gets his feet wet....

Maybe we keep Diop, Dirk, Howard, Harris, Terry, Stack, Damp.
Pickup Webber as a FA and Pietrus for MLE?

I do agree with those saying we need a PF. When the Mavs need a bucket late in the game they have no one to go to in the paint. I think Diop has the size and strength to be that guy but he has a lot of developing to do. Damp could be that guy as well. Avery has to get these two involved in the offense.

Otherwise bring in Webber off of FA or trade Damp/Howard for JON. Howard is great and a hometown favorite, but Barnes/Pietrus are similar type players that we could revert to for MLE and get similar results. I think a great post scorer (JON) will outweigh the difference between Howard and Barnes/Pietrus.