Jermaine Wants LA Or NY - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Windmill360 · 05-11-2007, 06:36 PM

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11th May, 2007 - 11:28 am
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The Warriors' Stephen Jackson, former teammates with Jermaine O'Neal of the Pacers, told the media he thinks O'Neal wants to be traded.

"I don't think he has any patience (left), but Jermaine is the ultimate professional," said Jackson.

Whether O'Neal has demanded or requested a trade in his discussions with Pacers management may simply be a matter of semantics. Los Angeles and New York are thought to be the 6-11 All-Star's preferred destinations.

"I talked to him a while back, and he was saying that if he did get traded he would want to go to those two teams," Jackson said. "Isiah and Jermaine are good friends. If it does happen, look out East. Him and (Eddy) Curry in the paint are going to be a monster. But him and Kobe will be a monster, too."

The Pacers appear poised to rebuild, something O'Neal is unlikely to want to be involved with.

"It's going to have to be the perfect deal (to get O'Neal out), because you know from the deal they made with us (landing Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy) it didn't work out for them," Jackson said. "They don't want to make a bad deal again. I think it would have to be a perfect deal.

"Hopefully it works for him because you play so much better when you're somewhere you want to be, in a place where you are wanted. That's why I'm having so much success here, because they've embraced me like a newborn."

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aexchange · 05-11-2007, 11:16 PM

do you pull the trigger on a dampier/jho/terry/buckner for oneal/granger/tinsley deal?

AxdemxO · 05-11-2007, 11:21 PM

NO

aexchange · 05-11-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

NO

i send jho and his invisiline braces packing.

chumdawg · 05-11-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

do you pull the trigger on a dampier/jho/terry/buckner for oneal/granger/tinsley deal?

Are you kidding me? Faster than you can say "blueberry pancakes."

No way they are dealing Granger along with JO, though.

Yet, I would very much like to bring Tinsley aboard.

bernardos70 · 05-12-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

do you pull the trigger on a dampier/jho/terry/buckner for oneal/granger/tinsley deal?

Yes. Does Indiana though?

BTW, nice Pulp Fiction reference there.

dalmations202 · 05-12-2007, 07:01 AM

And at least one 2nd rounder as well. Might even kick in Pops or Ager if they wanted him.

jthig32 · 05-12-2007, 08:33 AM

Yes, but Indiana would laugh and hang up.

Darth Ape · 05-12-2007, 08:59 AM

I'm pretty sure Avery would be on board sending Dirk for JO. The man has to be frustrated that he can't implement his slow, 1996 brand of basketball with a team centered around a jumpshooting Euro.

AxdemxO · 05-12-2007, 10:49 AM

OK..ok..maybe some interest..but what do tou guys see in Tinsley. I mean he is always injured..kind of out of shape..and never playes all tht well. I just dont like him in the deal.

Bring back Quis ; )

kg_veteran · 05-12-2007, 10:13 PM

I'd probably do the above deal (because I'm pretty high on Granger), but let's make one thing clear:

If you're looking for a low-post player who can give you some efficient scoring, O'Neal is NOT your guy. Sure, he's got the ability to post up, but he doesn't score efficiently.

dalmations202 · 05-12-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I'd probably do the above deal (because I'm pretty high on Granger), but let's make one thing clear:

If you're looking for a low-post player who can give you some efficient scoring, O'Neal is NOT your guy. Sure, he's got the ability to post up, but he doesn't score efficiently.

JO gets a whole lot more efficient with Dirk on the court with him. LOL

Much harder to double team.

twelli · 05-12-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Ape

I'm pretty sure Avery would be on board sending Dirk for JO. The man has to be frustrated that he can't implement his slow, 1996 brand of basketball with a team centered around a jumpshooting Euro.

Question is: Are we still trying to build around Dirk, or are we trying to find a team that fits Avery's ideas? I think Cuban might have a say in this, and I don't see him parting with Dirk anytime soon.

V2M · 05-13-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

do you pull the trigger on a dampier/jho/terry/buckner for oneal/granger/tinsley deal?

I'd do it in a NY second... but IND wouldn't. Instead they may suggest we drop Josh and Granger from the deal, and swap Terry for Devin and Stack (S&T) for Buckner. We may also have to throw in a our best pick this year (#34) and a future #1.

So would you pull the trigger on Damp/Devin/Stack/Picks for Oneal/Tinsley (or Dunleavy)?

jthig32 · 05-13-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

JO gets a whole lot more efficient with Dirk on the court with him. LOL

Much harder to double team.

I'm not sure it would, necessarily. The majority of O'Neals post moves result in short jumpers. He very rarely actually gets to the rim.

I've watched him play in a fairly potent offense, with Reggie waiting to bury the three on double teams, and the reality is a good defender can make him take fairly tough shots.

So I think KG's right, but I also think you don't really need a highly efficient socrer down low, necessarily. JO would come in and be option #2. You use him as your second option most nights, unless it's a matchup like GS.

Dtownsfinest · 05-13-2007, 03:49 PM

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do you pull the trigger on a dampier/jho/terry/buckner for oneal/granger/tinsley deal?

Hell yea i'd do it. Would the Pacers though? Three starters for an all star, JET and two non effective players?

Stranger · 05-13-2007, 10:10 PM

I've seen a couple of reports suggesting that if we want Jermaine O'Neal, we'd have to give up Howard. If that's all there is to it, I say get him. Dampier and Howard for Jermaine O'Neal works is pretty uncomplicated.

O'Neal isn't Tim Duncan in terms of low-post skill, but he's good shot blocker, and would give us great offensive production from the 5. Plus, it would be really tough to double team him or Dirk when they are both out there.

Josh's departure would leave a big hole, but we could partially fill that in free agency by signing James Posey for the MLE.

bernardos70 · 05-13-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by twelli

Question is: Are we still trying to build around Dirk, or are we trying to find a team that fits Avery's ideas? I think Cuban might have a say in this, and I don't see him parting with Dirk anytime soon.

The question is: Will it save him money?

Also: I'm not gonna be the one asking that question, but I feel it coming soon.

V2M · 05-13-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stranger

I've seen a couple of reports suggesting that if we want Jermaine O'Neal, we'd have to give up Howard. If that's all there is to it, I say get him. Dampier and Howard for Jermaine O'Neal works is pretty uncomplicated.

O'Neal isn't Tim Duncan in terms of low-post skill, but he's good shot blocker, and would give us great offensive production from the 5. Plus, it would be really tough to double team him or Dirk when they are both out there.

Josh's departure would leave a big hole, but we could partially fill that in free agency by signing James Posey for the MLE.

Why would IND ask for Josh when they already have Granger? I'd guess, they'd need Devin or Terry more, although they may balk a bit at Terry's contract.

jayC · 05-14-2007, 10:24 PM

Small forwards are easier to find than post up players. If we can move Dampier, Jet and Jho for Oneal and Granger plus Tinsley. I am down with that move.

The two hardest positions to fill a center and a point guard. We have our future point guard with Devin. We dont have a two way center. Jermaine solves our biggest problem of the last twenty years as a franchise.

chumdawg · 05-14-2007, 10:30 PM

Dampier, Jet, and Howard might get you O'Neal and Tinsley...but you ain't getting Granger.

Dampier, Jet, and Howard would probably get you Kidd and Carter. Do you take that?

MascisMan · 05-15-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Dampier, Jet, and Howard might get you O'Neal and Tinsley...but you ain't getting Granger.

Dampier, Jet, and Howard would probably get you Kidd and Carter. Do you take that?

Kidd, Carter, and Dirk on the same team? I would have to say YES. Pick up Webber off of FA along with Pietrus and Barnes

PG: Kidd/Harris
SG: Carter/Stack
SF: Barnes/Pietrus
PF: Dirk/Cro/Pops
C: Webber/Diop

Actually after looking at the lineup Im not so sure. It seems like a jump-shot happy lineup. Although at the same time Kidd is an excellent drive and kick player. Hmmm plus Dirk would be the only original Mav on the starting lineup which I dont like.

sike · 05-15-2007, 07:03 PM

I like the way you guys are thinking...keep it up...and then make it happen!

wesbrynt · 05-15-2007, 09:17 PM

jamal tinsley sucks and while i really like o'neal he seems like he is wearing down rapidly and that worries me

diop it like its hot · 05-15-2007, 11:16 PM

what about mcdyess?

nashtymavsfan13 · 05-15-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Dampier, Jet, and Howard might get you O'Neal and Tinsley...but you ain't getting Granger.

Dampier, Jet, and Howard would probably get you Kidd and Carter. Do you take that?

I would do that in a heartbeat, even though I'd miss Jho.

aexchange · 05-16-2007, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Dampier, Jet, and Howard might get you O'Neal and Tinsley...but you ain't getting Granger.

Dampier, Jet, and Howard would probably get you Kidd and Carter. Do you take that?

bye bye jho.

you trot out this lineup

harris
kidd
carter
dirk
damp

pretty killer.

MascisMan · 05-16-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

bye bye jho.

you trot out this lineup

harris
kidd
carter
dirk
damp

pretty killer.

Yeah, not sure I would want Harris and Kidd out there at the same time...since Harris is not a 2 (Carter is though) and small and Kidd would definitely be running the show.

Damp/Jho for JON
Sign Webber
Sign Blake
Sign Pietrus

PG: Harris/Blake/Barea
SG: Terry/Stack/Ager
SF: Pietrus/George
PF: Dirk/Webber/Pops
C: JON/Diop

Here is another idea and Im not sure if we could even do this.

Kidd is a sign and trade to Dallas. Kidd/Jefferson for Damp/Jho
sign Webber
sign Magloire

PG: Kidd/Harris/Barea
SG: Terry/Stack/Ager
SF: Jefferson/Pietrus
PF: Dirk/Webber/Pops
C: Diop/Magloire

I honestly don't think we will move any big players (maybe Terry). So something like this may be more realistic:
sign Webber
sign Blake
sign Pietrus

PG: Harris/Blake
SG: Terry/Stack
SF: Howard/Pietrus
PF: Dirk/Webber
C: Diop/Damp

This would be a very formidable lineup

dalmations202 · 05-16-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MascisMan

Here is another idea and Im not sure if we could even do this.

Kidd is a sign and trade to Dallas. Kidd/Jefferson for Damp/Jho
sign Webber
sign Magloire

PG: Kidd/Harris/Barea
SG: Terry/Stack/Ager
SF: Jefferson/Pietrus
PF: Dirk/Webber/Pops
C: Diop/Magloire

I honestly don't think we will move any big players (maybe Terry). So something like this may be more realistic:
sign Webber
sign Blake
sign Pietrus

PG: Harris/Blake
SG: Terry/Stack
SF: Howard/Pietrus
PF: Dirk/Webber
C: Diop/Damp

This would be a very formidable lineup

Nope can't do either of them. Kidd is under contract he is not a FA. There is no way you are going to get Webber and Magloire for the MLE... ie there is no way you get Webber, Blake and Pietrus for the MLE/LLE.

IMO:
Damp/JHO/draft picks for JO
Pietrus/Blake split the MLE (although either might get the full MLE)
Resign Stack

Get ready for next year.