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dude1394 · 03-02-2008, 10:02 PM

Okay...so is avery going to HONESTLY go into the playoffs with Bass as the backup center?

This was his comment when asked about Malik Allen.

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“We’ve got our eight-man rotation and we’re looking for that ninth and tenth guy, and he’s auditioning for it,” Johnson said from Hollywood, err, the Staples Center.

If magloire isn't going to be one of the rotation guys we are screwed. We'll be competitive but we won't get over the hump because we won't be big enough defensively.

If Bass is our backup center in the playoffs then cubes should seriously look to fire avery.

mavsfan1000 · 03-02-2008, 10:04 PM

Like I said in the other thread, Avery should be fired if he doesn't play Magloire. His lovefest for Bass and Stackhouse is covering up all the flaws in their games.

fluid.forty.one · 03-02-2008, 10:06 PM

Dirk, Kidd, Howard, Terry, Damp, Stackhouse, Bass... George? Who's the 8th guy that's in there instead of Magloire.. George? Jones?

jthig32 · 03-02-2008, 10:13 PM

As I said in the gameday thread, I'm fine with Magloire not playing today's game, but I have a feeling that he's going to be the 3rd center for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

I mean, does this really surprise anyone that much? Diop was our 3rd center before the trade.

I don't understand when Avery started caring about offense over defense at some positions, but it appears to have happened.

kg_veteran · 03-02-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

As I said in the gameday thread, I'm fine with Magloire not playing today's game, but I have a feeling that he's going to be the 3rd center for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

I mean, does this really surprise anyone that much? Diop was our 3rd center before the trade.

I don't understand when Avery started caring about offense over defense at some positions, but it appears to have happened.

For all of the statistical analysis that goes on behind closed doors in Maverickdom, you'd think somebody would be able to advise Avery of Stackhouse's utter lack of scoring efficiency. And for all of the scouting they do and tape they review, you'd think that he'd occasionally watch some tape of Stackhouse playing defense, and realize that he can't.

But hey, he dunked the ball on the break today. All is well.

Jack.Kerr · 03-02-2008, 10:45 PM

I don't get the interest in Bass at all. He's just flat limited. He has no business at all trying to be an interior defender. I'm afraid they're going to get punked for teh rest of the season. It looks like Johnson is locking in to a small-ball type lineup.

I don't think Avery believes in his own spiel anymore. The two-center lineup made them so much more effetive defensively over the last couple of years--decent productivity more often than not, but also allowed them to play aggressively as long as they were in there.

2 centers, 12 fouls. Ah, 'twas a thing of beauty.

vashjan · 03-02-2008, 10:52 PM

Avery has an ego so large, that it is getting in his way of coaching this team. Not playing Kidd with 34.5 sec. Not playing Magloire when Damp had fouled out.. just plain stupid.

everybody saw what Kobe did when Dampier when out...he went nuts, because he had no fear going into the paint...

I like Bass, but he an malik should play behind dirk and sub for Josh at times.

avery is really getting on my nerves...started when he screwed up the golden state series last year!!

Jack.Kerr · 03-02-2008, 10:56 PM

Brandon Bass is a Cajun version of Malik Rose.

scorched03 · 03-02-2008, 10:56 PM

ok lets track stack's role in the rotation forthe last several games. keep in mind i already stated in last thread stack should only post and drive, no spot shots, so i'm not a fan of what he does at the moment.

today lakers was +6 (best on team)
sacramento was +27 (best on team) almost opposite of terry!
spurs was -6 (worst on team) not by much though cuz some control freak only played 8
bulls was +6 (tied 4th best)
wolves was -3 (only bass was worse, even scrub time everyone did better)
memphis was -3 (tied for best among nonstarters)
hornets did not play...ahh that'd account for george sucking in all his minutes
suns did not play...ahh no security blankie for avery
portland same
philly same
nets same (perhaps if he played....bleh)
memphis +15 (3rd best butr only 11minutes)
bucks nada
magic nada
pistons nada

my gosh he's hurt alot. but with the crappiness at sg for the mavs, he's best of the bunch. not absolutely terrible, but not like a kobe from today's 52 pts was..... +4! but he played almost the entire game so... i think stack should be a spark plug off the bench i.e. instant offense. if he's good keep him in, if not go to another sg

crap i shoulda done bass' +/- instead of stack. oh well

Movie Phone · 03-02-2008, 11:00 PM

we should fire avery if kidd misses another critical free throw. right? or if dirk airballs a 3 in overtime (yes, i know he made one in regulation to send it to OT). why doesnt our solution jsut be to fire avery if anything else goes wrong? sooner or later, you have to place the blame on the players---your personnel. now do i think our personnel is good? yes. can they be great? give them the time they need and we'll be able to answer that question...

dude1394 · 03-02-2008, 11:04 PM

You know what's REALLY horrible is that one of the reasons (as we've seen with damp lately) that we couldn't get any inside scoring at all was because we didn't have anyone who could get them the ball to finish at the rim. I expect that diop would also be having a field day with kidd out there.

So because we don't have any inside scoring we spend all year trying to get a scoring center in bass. Okay...pretty decent....

But now with kidd, it's just not that needed, what's needed is better defense because our offense is not nearly so stale that we have to have that center scoring for us (although with kidd they would anyway).

But avery is so stuck on stupid imo, that he doesn't realize that. I expect he WON'T realize it until after the season, sort of like he understands everything after thinking about it for 3months off.

I know I'm being sort of over the top, but dang...You've got an nba guy who everyone (jason kidd included) says works his rear end off and avery doesn't play the guy because he's.....wait for it....

NOT IN SHAPE for 5 minutes or so.

Even though in just the overtime we get 4 rebounds...by dirk. Our "center" gets zippidy doo dah.. The lakers get 9.

come on man

dude1394 · 03-02-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Movie Phone

we should fire avery if kidd misses another critical free throw. right? or if dirk airballs a 3 in overtime (yes, i know he made one in regulation to send it to OT). why doesnt our solution jsut be to fire avery if anything else goes wrong? sooner or later, you have to place the blame on the players---your personnel. now do i think our personnel is good? yes. can they be great? give them the time they need and we'll be able to answer that question...

MoviePhone guy...We've been putting it all on the players since the last two playoff series.

LSMF · 03-03-2008, 01:15 AM

If this guy is serious about playing bass as a our backup center he should be fired. I'm not even waste time stating all the reasons why bass at center in the playoffs would be a disaster.

BGMaverick9 · 03-03-2008, 01:18 AM

I'm more than fine with Bass as the backup to Dirk but if you're rolling with Dirk on fumes for most of the game and getting him so blow and going with JUWAN HOWARD + Bass....YIKES

Avery, just stop sounding stupid in the media. You're making it too easy for us.

chumdawg · 03-03-2008, 01:22 AM

You can't play everybody in the playoffs. Have you ever been in the playoffs? You can't play everybody in the playoffs.

dirno2000 · 03-03-2008, 01:47 AM

Bass has to lead the league in "almost had it" rebounds. He's active enough to get his hands on the ball but not tall or physical enough to bring it down.

Rebounding has been a strength of this team for the past two years. Why Avery would want to sacrifice that is beyond me.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-03-2008, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

You can't play everybody in the playoffs. Have you ever been in the playoffs? You can't play everybody in the playoffs.

Then why the hell are we still trying to sign players like Magloire and Lue? I seriously can't handle the numb-nuttiness of management anymore. I believe Donnie and Avery are NOT on the same page in the player acquisition area.

horse900703 · 03-03-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Then why the hell are we still trying to sign players like Magloire and Lue? I seriously can't handle the numb-nuttiness of management anymore. I believe Donnie and Avery are NOT on the same page in the player acquisition area.

haha, good one.

kg_veteran · 03-03-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Okay...so is avery going to HONESTLY go into the playoffs with Bass as the backup center?

This was his comment when asked about Malik Allen.

If magloire isn't going to be one of the rotation guys we are screwed. We'll be competitive but we won't get over the hump because we won't be big enough defensively.

If Bass is our backup center in the playoffs then cubes should seriously look to fire avery.

I agree.

quiet riot act · 03-03-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vashjan

Avery has an ego so large, that it is getting in his way of coaching this team. Not playing Kidd with 34.5 sec. Not playing Magloire when Damp had fouled out.. just plain stupid.

everybody saw what Kobe did when Dampier when out...he went nuts, because he had no fear going into the paint...

I like Bass, but he an malik should play behind dirk and sub for Josh at times.

avery is really getting on my nerves...started when he screwed up the golden state series last year!!

avery's ego takes up one slot in the 8 man rotation and his ignorance takes two

purplefrog · 03-03-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Okay...so is avery going to HONESTLY go into the playoffs with Bass as the backup center?

This was his comment when asked about Malik Allen.

If magloire isn't going to be one of the rotation guys we are screwed. We'll be competitive but we won't get over the hump because we won't be big enough defensively.

If Bass is our backup center in the playoffs then cubes should seriously look to fire avery.

I am hoping that when Avery says Malik Allen is auditioning for a rotation spot that this doesn't preclude Magloire also getting his shot at those backup minutes. He should get his audition also. It seems to me that Avery has been pretty consistent in allowing most of the new guys to get their chance.

Imo, it is great to have a set rotation but flexibility in your strategy is the mark of good coaching. It seems to me that the great coaches are able to see the game situations where an end of the bench guy (who is not typically in the rotation) can make a unique contribution. For example, I would have liked to have seen Avery give Eddie Jones a shot at stopping Kobe in the 4th quarter but I am not sure Eddie was even activated for the game. That being said there should be some constants. For example, with the addition the Lue I would like to see Antoine Wright, JJB and Juwan being the three who are on the inactive list and I mean for the duration of the season and playoffs!

jthig32 · 03-03-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I am hoping that when Avery says Malik Allen is auditioning for a rotation spot that this doesn't preclude Magloire also getting his shot at those backup minutes. He should get his audition also. It seems to me that Avery has been pretty consistent in allowing most of the new guys to get their chance.

Imo, it is great to have a set rotation but flexibility in your strategy is the mark of good coaching. It seems to me that the great coaches are able to see the game situations where an end of the bench guy (who is not typically in the rotation) can make a unique contribution. For example, I would have liked to have seen Avery give Eddie Jones a shot at stopping Kobe in the 4th quarter but I am not sure Eddie was even activated for the game. That being said there should be some constants. For example, with the addition the Lue I would like to see Antoine Wright, JJB and Juwan being the three who are on the inactive list and I mean for the duration of the season and playoffs!

Eddit was in fact in a suit yesterday.

mavsfan1000 · 03-03-2008, 11:55 AM

Dallas should go 10 deep now imo.
Dampier/Magloire
Nowitzki/Bass
Howard/George
Terry/Stackhouse
Kidd/Lue
Second unit is looking better and more capable of putting up more points.

LSMF · 03-03-2008, 11:57 AM

If avery doesn't play Magloire as the back up center he must still be a spur at heart because decisions like these always seem to backfire and make us lose.

Kidd Karma · 03-03-2008, 12:47 PM

To make matters worst. Jeff Van Gundy who was calling the game yesterday pointed out a flaw regarding of all things our rebound lineup at the end of the game where Odom was at the stripe. We were down 2 I think, he had missed the first. Kobe and Bass were lined up on the right signed of the key, JVG said that, we had to change Bass out with a more experienced rebounder to put on Kobe's because of his athleticism and experience. Boom, brick, Kobe gets the board and is fouled. Game over.

DirkFTW · 03-03-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

To make matters worst. Jeff Van Gundy who was calling the game yesterday pointed out a flaw regarding of all things our rebound lineup at the end of the game where Odom was at the stripe. We were down 2 I think, he had missed the first. Kobe and Bass were lined up on the right signed of the key, JVG said that, we had to change Bass out with a more experienced rebounder to put on Kobe's because of his athleticism and experience. Boom, brick, Kobe gets the board and is fouled. Game over.

What sucks is Kobe had out-positioned Bass on a prior FT attempt that luckily went in. That was a clear warning sign.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-03-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

What sucks is Kobe had out-positioned Bass on a prior FT attempt that luckily went in. That was a clear warning sign.

Avery never does anything wrong though. Those warnings signs were just media poison.