The coming Barack Hussein Obama thugocracy

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I can't even tell what you guys are arguing about any more.

i have been having an increasingly difficult time figuring out what LANGUAGE people have been arguing in lately...

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

whats the point in arguing with these guys? its just supports my point.....


jews #1 loyality is to Israel , NOT AMERICA

that these guys prooved it. When people immigrate here, they keep their culture, but they gain citizenship and become Americans, and they look out for AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST, not their former country.


you can call me names and say this or that....

NO ONE HAS YET TO STATE THE BENEFIT OF OUR SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL



no point is arguing with people who are not patriots, of course they support what America does for Israel, they benefit from it.

but if your not Jewish, you & your friends are being screwed out of money, lives lost in wars and a greater threat of terrorism than if you did nothing. I should at least get a kiss when i'm being screwed.

the blind will continue to be blind....or, to put it another way, you can try and reason with a bigot, but a bigot will still be a bigot.

[kappasigma]

benefits, anyone? just one benefit? can someone google something?

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

how would you know unless you asked or they volunteered the info?

That's why I said "I don't know that I have" instead of saying "I haven't met a Jewish person in my life".

[mary]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

benefits, anyone? just one benefit? can someone google something?

I googled. I found this.

[kappasigma]

lol, and look at the posts below it

[mary]

Originally Posted by kappasigma

lol, and look at the posts below it

Which one? There are 46 posts following that one.

The ones of you claiming nobody had answered your question?

Do you have any interest in carrying out a discussion, or are you just trolling the political forum?

I have a feeling its the latter.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

That's why I said "I don't know that I have" instead of saying "I haven't met a Jewish person in my life".

oh, you're right.

[Murphy3]

Hey, not a big deal. Keep up the good posting.

[dude1394]

Have Obama come to your house and ask him a question that he and his brownshirts don't like....You'd better get ready for it.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...e.html?sid=101

Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday, October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.

[kappasigma]

the mexican guy with the sign "juan the plumber" was pretty funny

[Usually Lurkin]

With Obama in charge, press better not ask tough questions or they will lose access. The Obama campaign cancelled all future interviews with this reporter (whom they'd done a lot of softball interviews with in the past) when she asked Biden about ACORN, "spread the wealth," and "Obama will be tested" all in one sitting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8

Once they kick in the fairness doctrine, how long will it be until the government starts shutting down or buying up companies they don't agree with?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

With Obama in charge, press better not ask tough questions or they will lose access. The Obama campaign cancelled all future interviews with this reporter (whom they'd done a lot of softball interviews with in the past) when she asked Biden about ACORN, "spread the wealth," and "Obama will be tested" all in one sitting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8

Once they kick in the fairness doctrine, how long will it be until the government starts shutting down or buying up companies they don't agree with?

that lady didn't ask "tough questions", she asked ridiculous questions.

I wouldn't give her a minute of my time either.

[dude1394]

As someone said.

No Soup For You!

WFTV Channel 9’s Barbara West puts increasingly erratic, super-gaffetastic Joe Biden on the hot seat over ACORN, voter fraud, and Barack Obama’s “Spread the wealth” comments.

The result?

Best interview of Joe Biden ever.

The increasingly erratic, super-gaffetastic Biden was so upset that the campaign canceled an interview West’s station had scheduled with his wife, Jill. The Orlando Sentinel reports:

She was completely professional and gracious.

But remember: Anything less than total sycophancy from the Obamedia is considered “combative.”

Keep Barbara West in your thoughts and prayers. She can expect the Joe the Plumber treatment any minute now.

[dude1394]

Sounded like she just didn't beat around the bush with it. It gave biden an opportunity to address them straight on. Everyone of those questions have been asked (not by anyone in the msm) but by the McCain campaign.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

that lady didn't ask "tough questions", she asked ridiculous questions.

I wouldn't give her a minute of my time either.

If Palin were to answer questions about her wardrobe (let alone what she thinks of abortion clinic bombers) with "Is that a joke?" and then the McCain campaign were to shut off all access for the questioning reporter, would this be your response?

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

As someone said.

what exactly is "joe the plumber treatment"? does she get on national shows, dozens of interviews and her family entertained in nyc like he did?

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Sounded like she just didn't beat around the bush with it. It gave biden an opportunity to address them straight on. Everyone of those questions have been asked (not by anyone in the msm) but by the McCain campaign.

questions aren't valid if they come from the right. If they come from there, then they consitute unprofessionally nasty behavior on the part of the press, who are supposed to be for Obama / Biden.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

If Palin were to answer questions about her wardrobe (let alone what she thinks of abortion clinic bombers) with "Is that a joke?" and then the McCain campaign were to shut off all access for the questioning reporter, would this be your response?

the questions were absurd, she quotes marx as if there were some connection. even fox news would be embarrassed if one of their reporters acted like that.

she was a tool. that was a ridiculous charade of an interview.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

what exactly is "joe the plumber treatment"? does she get on national shows, dozens of interviews and her family entertained in nyc like he did?

That would be having her taxes investigated, her privacy invaded(possibly illegally by the guvment systems), her garbage gone through and a bunch of lunatic leftists trying to find dirt on her.

[dude1394]

Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818–March 14, 1883) was a German[1] philosopher, political economist, sociologist, humanist, political theorist, revolutionary, and communist icon.

Marx's approach to history and politics is indicated by the opening line of the first chapter of The Communist Manifesto (1848): “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles”. Marx argued that capitalism, like previous socioeconomic systems, will produce internal tensions which will lead to its destruction.[2] Just as capitalism replaced feudalism, capitalism itself will be displaced by communism, a classless society which emerges after a transitional period—socialism—in which the state would be nothing else but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.[3][4][5]

On the one hand, Marx argued for a systemic understanding of socioeconomic change. On this model, it is the structural contradictions within capitalism which necessitate its end, giving way to communism:
“ The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable. ”

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

That would be having her taxes investigated, her privacy invaded(possibly illegally by the guvment systems), her garbage gone through and a bunch of lunatic leftists trying to find dirt on her.

you mean like any person who seeks fame is treated?

sure. it comes with the 15 minutes.

doesn't matter what political leaning one has either.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

the questions were absurd, she quotes marx as if there were some connection. even fox news would be embarrassed if one of their reporters acted like that.

she was a tool. that was a ridiculous charade of an interview.

so you think Palin should answer ridiculous questions about her clothes and about what she thinks of abortion clinic bombings but Biden should not have to answer questions about ACORN, Ayers, "spread the wealth" (and Marx), and about his own statement about how it will look like Obama is wrong in a big global test that will happen in 6 months?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

so you think Palin should answer ridiculous questions about her clothes and about what she thinks of abortion clinic bombings but Biden should not have to answer questions about ACORN, Ayers, "spread the wealth" (and Marx), and about his own statement about how it will look like Obama is wrong in a big global test that will happen in 6 months?

Obviously not.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

With Obama in charge, press better not ask tough questions or they will lose access. The Obama campaign cancelled all future interviews with this reporter (whom they'd done a lot of softball interviews with in the past) when she asked Biden about ACORN, "spread the wealth," and "Obama will be tested" all in one sitting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8

Once they kick in the fairness doctrine, how long will it be until the government starts shutting down or buying up companies they don't agree with?

Wow. THAT's how you handle tough questions with grace and aplomb, not to mention a stick of your own. If there is any doubt about the relative political skills of the two campaigns, this should completely erase it. Biden managed not only to not need a Sarah Palin Lifeline, but also to turn the thrust of the questions back at the questioner. His last answer was particularly incisive, for its pith and steadfastness.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

so you think Palin should answer ridiculous questions about her clothes and about what she thinks of abortion clinic bombings but Biden should not have to answer questions about ACORN, Ayers, "spread the wealth" (and Marx), and about his own statement about how it will look like Obama is wrong in a big global test that will happen in 6 months?

to correct you, the question should be "but Biden should answer illogical and incorrect questions about ACORN, Ayers, "spread the wealth" (and Marx), and about his own statement about how it will look like Obama is wrong in a big global test that will happen in 6 months?"

well, if you watched the video, he DID answer her!

as he pointed out, the question about acorn was wrong, there is no marxism in their platform, and the mischaracterization of biden's remark was corrected.

why should they need to appear with this woman and go thru the corrections again?

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

why should they need to appear with this woman and go thru the corrections again?

They were happy to visit and revisit her to present their talking points in response to softballs.

The answers that Joe did provide here were full of misdirection and lies. But the point is how the Obama campaign handles press they don't like. At some point, they will be in charge of the White House press room. If the Dems have their way, they will have a fairness doctrine with which they can enforce their view of what is fair questioning.

[Usually Lurkin]

The LA Times knows how to keep their license:

Confirmed: MSM Holds Video Of Barack Obama Attending Jew-Bash & Toasting a Former PLO Operative... Refuse to Release the Video!

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...of-barack.html

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

The LA Times knows how to keep their license:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...of-barack.html

Pretty amazing stuff really. Pravda would be proud.

[chumdawg]

Wow, you guys are turning into 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

They were happy to visit and revisit her to present their talking points in response to softballs.

The answers that Joe did provide here were full of misdirection and lies. But the point is how the Obama campaign handles press they don't like. At some point, they will be in charge of the White House press room. If the Dems have their way, they will have a fairness doctrine with which they can enforce their view of what is fair questioning.

ok, let's hear what "lies" were said. your proclivity to hyperbole has gone to the point of dishonesty.

the point is any candidate doen't need to be a part of an interview that is conducted with a person who isn't after fact finding but has another agenda, in this case apparently her own politics. she was unprofessional, inaccurate and sorta nutty.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Wow, you guys are turning into 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

I come to realize that it may not be the true face of a select few here who refuse change that Obama represents. It is clear it is desperation on their part.

Here are two quotes that comes to mind:

"What is most original in a man’s nature is often that which is most desperate. Thus new systems are forced on the world by men who simply cannot bear the pain of living with what is."

"There exists, at the bottom of all abasement and misfortune, a last extreme which rebels and joins battle with the forces of law and respectability in a desperate struggle, waged partly by cunning and partly by violence, at once sick and ferocious, in which it attacks the prevailing social order with the pin-pricks of vice and the hammer-blows of crime."

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

ok, let's hear what "lies" were said. your proclivity to hyperbole has gone to the point of dishonesty.

the point is any candidate doen't need to be a part of an interview that is conducted with a person who isn't after fact finding but has another agenda, in this case apparently her own politics. she was unprofessional, inaccurate and sorta nutty.

It has become very clear that Palin and her supporters here who try to protect her and deface all values of Obama have crossed over to palpable absurdity. That is why there is nothing we can say or do to get them to understand common logic.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

The LA Times knows how to keep their license:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...of-barack.html

it's amusing that any person who expresses disagreement with american and israeli policies in the mideast is automatically a "jew bash[er]".

tell me, are the jews in israel and america who disagree with the israeli policies also "jew bashers" too?

even more revealing is the link saying "Barack Obama has denied his close association with Khalidi, too.", yet the link shows that obama DIDN"T deny his association, but admitted to knowing and speaking with khalidi.

oh the horror! actually discussing ideas with a palestinian supporter!

imo it is imperitive that dialogue between the israelis and the palestinians must happen in order to acheive a settlement to the conflict betwen them. I'd expect that rashid khalidi could contribute to that discussion, as well as israelis who truly want to secure peace will also do. barack obama is right to engage both palestinians and israelis, speak to each of them, and become more informed on the respective views of each side. that is how a person can find bridges between the two sides to a disagreement.

see, that is what diplomacy is all about.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

I come to realize that it may not be the true face of a select few here who refuse change that Obama represents. It is clear it is desperation on their part.

Here are two quotes that comes to mind:

"What is most original in a man’s nature is often that which is most desperate. Thus new systems are forced on the world by men who simply cannot bear the pain of living with what is."

"There exists, at the bottom of all abasement and misfortune, a last extreme which rebels and joins battle with the forces of law and respectability in a desperate struggle, waged partly by cunning and partly by violence, at once sick and ferocious, in which it attacks the prevailing social order with the pin-pricks of vice and the hammer-blows of crime."

O'Bama O'Bama O'Bama

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by dude1394

O'Bama O'Bama O'Bama

Need I say more?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Pretty amazing stuff really. Pravda would be proud.

Dang...my Pravda comment is more applicable than I thought.

Russia's Central Elections Committee has also assigned its Centre for the Study of Election Technology to review the U. S. election campaign.

A preliminary report prepared by the group, after studying U. S. media coverage on the NBC, CBS and ABC television networks since September, has concluded Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, has a "hidden advantage."

A preliminary report obtained by the Russian daily online newspaper Kommersant concludes the U. S. television networks devoted more time to Republican candidate John McCain, but "the material that makes up that time difference can be assessed as negative."

The Russian study also said Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential pick, has been subjected to more criticism than her Democratic counterpart, Senator Joe Biden.

It adds that when the presidential candidates' platforms are described, Mr. Obama's is described last, to make it look better, and when platforms are compared, "Obama's is presented preferable."

The observations appear to ape western criticisms of Russia's elections in which international observers have complained Russia's television networks are overwhelmingly pro-Kremlin and offer unbalanced and unfair coverage of opposition candidates.

[dude1394]

A voter suppression project by the MSM, heh.... Even professional pollsters see what is going on. Nah...wouldn't happen with Pravda..

Reader Frogg passed along this really interesting commentary from a professional pollster who is (a) a die hard Obama supporter and (b) laughing at the public polls:

I was having dinner a night ago with a friend of mine who is a statistician for a well-regarded private polling company. They do some work for Republicans in California, but most of the work they do is for Democrats or Democrat-leaning operations (Unions, etc.). Anyway, her shop was retained to do a few Presidential polls for targetted states on behalf of a union so the union could decide where to spend their ad dollars for the last week. They did Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Missouri. After mocking the hell out of the voter id spreads used by Rassmussen, Zogby, etc. (and this is coming from a committed Dem who will be voting for Barry O) she said the results of their polling lead her to believe that McCain will definitely win FL, OH, NC, MO and NV. She says Obama definitely wins New Mexico. She said that Colorado and New Hampshire were absolute dead heats. She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia–and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

Anyway, her companies conclusion is that the election will come down to Colorado, New Hampshire and the Republican leaning district in Maine, which in her opinion might very well decide the Presidency (apparently the district in Nebraska that Obama thought he might be able to get is now off the table).

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

it's amusing that any person who expresses disagreement with american and israeli policies in the mideast is automatically a "jew bash[er]".

blah blah
t.

YOu know what would be great? If, instead of just listening to you present your opinion as opposite whatever a blogger says, we could watch the video itself.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

A voter suppression project by the MSM, heh.... Even professional pollsters see what is going on. Nah...wouldn't happen with Pravda..

"voter suppression"?

is that done by convincing the obama supporters their vote isn't going to be needed?