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LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 10:43 PM

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I assumed that. Dumb question I guess... How many do I have to make?

I actually don't know what the number is, to be honest. But, as a general rule of thumb, you should probably try to post a significant number of times in other threads so that people know who you are a little bit before you write your own post. Your post will be much more likely to get read if you've established yourself at least a little bit.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That threw me off guard a bit too, the fact that everyone was basically there. They made that trade yesterday didn't they? Don't guys usually take a game, maybe two off to get used to the team, maybe they were absolutely forced to play Lowry.

Yep, that team tonight was the Rockets for the rest of the year. Not a bad group, obviously, but lets not act like they were "undermanned." McGrady is not coming back.

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 10:46 PM

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I actually don't know what the number is, to be honest. But, as a general rule of thumb, you should probably try to post a significant number of times in other threads so that people know who you are a little bit before you write your own post. Your post will be much more likely to get read if you've established yourself at least a little bit.

As long as it is Mav related, it shouldn't matter.

But the only reason they put that rule in place was to stop the damn spammers that would post porn sites, etc.

Then again, maybe us Mav fans have been watching too much gay porn. I know after watching tonight's game I feel like I've been violated.

GuerillaBlack · 02-20-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I assumed that. Dumb question I guess... How many do I have to make?

1,000.

GuerillaBlack · 02-20-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yep, that team tonight was the Rockets for the rest of the year. Not a bad group, obviously, but lets not act like they were "undermanned." McGrady is not coming back.

We need more time to gel. I really liked what I saw in Lowry, though he left Barea wide open for threes a few time. Other than Lowry and Brooks getting more comfortable in his starting roll, I think the Rockets have more than enough to at least make the playoffs. Don't know how far we will go.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 10:51 PM

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We need more time to gel. I really liked what I saw in Lowry, though he left Barea wide open for threes a few time. Other than Lowry and Brooks getting more comfortable in his starting roll, I think the Rockets have more than enough to at least make the playoffs. Don't know how far we will go.

They should definitely improve a bit. I think they'll be competitive in a first round series but probably lose again, though if they end up playing Portland or Phoenix I might pick them to finally win one.

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

As long as it is Mav related, it shouldn't matter.

Maybe ideally, but that's just not the way the world works. You build your rep before you start seeking an audience. That rule certainly applies to a fairly tight-knit community like this one.

jc1988 · 02-20-2009, 10:54 PM

you guys almost won against my rockets, we had too many turnovers but dirk was off and dallas couldn't utilize the turnovers in the fourth quarter, missing some key shots (good shots though).

good game overall

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 10:56 PM

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Maybe ideally, but that's just not the way the world works. You build your rep before you start seeking an audience. That rule certainly applies to a fairly tight-knit community like this one.

Starting a topic should never be based on rep. And exactly how close knit is this board? There are more members on this site than live in my town. I wouldn't call my town close knit.

GuerillaBlack · 02-20-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Starting a topic should never be based on rep. And exactly how close knit is this board? There are more members on this site than live in my town. I wouldn't call my town close knit.

It's different with a message board. What you said about your town may be true, but there are a ton of people that don't even check in. Plus, you have people who just read, and even less people who just post. Thus, you remember the few "normal" posters, and others are "newbies".

LonghornDub · 02-20-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Starting a topic should never be based on rep. And exactly how close knit is this board? There are more members on this site than live in my town. I wouldn't call my town close knit.

Again, I dunno why you're arguing what "should" be one way or another. That's not the point. The point is how it is, and the fact of the matter is that people are much more likely to listen to you when you seek their audience if you've taken a bit of time to establish yourself. That's true at your job, in your social groups, and yes, even on the Internet, at least in a venue like this one where people aren't completely anonymous in the true sense. I was offering him a bit of practical advice meant to help him get his opinion noticed, not engaging in some abstract form of elitism.

And if you think this board isn't fairly tightly knit, I have to ask if you spend much time on many other boards? This is about as tight knit as it gets for a board of a major sports team. Unless your town has less than 100 or so people, I'd say that this board has less consistently active members than your town. It's really irrelevant whether we have 10,000 registered users if 95% of them are never here.

BGMaverick9 · 02-20-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yep, that team tonight was the Rockets for the rest of the year. Not a bad group, obviously, but lets not act like they were "undermanned." McGrady is not coming back.

IMO that team is better without McGrady, I'm not sure how people can really suggest otherwise.

But like you said, let's just move on to tomorrow and face a "new" Kings squad.

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 11:04 PM

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Again, I dunno why you're arguing what "should" be one way or another. That's not the point. The point is how it is, and the fact of the matter is that people are much more likely to listen to you when you seek their audience if you've taken a bit of time to establish yourself. That's true at your job, in your social groups, and yes, even on the Internet, at least in a venue like this one where people aren't completely anonymous in the true sense.

If we are only going to talk about what is, then there is never any reason to have this site in the first place. Never any reason to have thousands of threads in the trade forum, etc.

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And if you think this board isn't fairly tightly knit, I have to ask if you spend much time on many other boards? This is about as tight knit as it gets for a board of a major sports team. And unless your town has less than 100 or so people, I'd say that this board has less consistently active members than your town. It's really irrelevant whether we have 10,000 registered users if 95% of them are never here.

I spend time on 5 other message boards. They are all basketball boards. I go to here, LMF, DB.com, Hoopsworld, RealGM, Insidehoops, and I sometimes check out Scout (although it is slow lately.)

And this board isn't any different than any of the other boards. And there aren't stipulations of topics such as "rep" or post count.

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 11:05 PM

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Again, I dunno why you're arguing what "should" be one way or another. That's not the point. The point is how it is, and the fact of the matter is that people are much more likely to listen to you when you seek their audience if you've taken a bit of time to establish yourself. That's true at your job, in your social groups, and yes, even on the Internet, at least in a venue like this one where people aren't completely anonymous in the true sense.

If we are only going to talk about what is, then there is never any reason to have this site in the first place. Never any reason to have thousands of threads in the trade forum, etc.

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And if you think this board isn't fairly tightly knit, I have to ask if you spend much time on many other boards? This is about as tight knit as it gets for a board of a major sports team. And unless your town has less than 100 or so people, I'd say that this board has less consistently active members than your town. It's really irrelevant whether we have 10,000 registered users if 95% of them are never here.

I spend time on 5 other message boards. They are all basketball boards. I go to here, LMF, DB.com, Hoopsworld, RealGM, Insidehoops, and I sometimes check out Scout (although it is slow lately.)

And this board isn't any different than any of the other boards. And there aren't stipulations of topics such as "rep" or post count.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-20-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jc1988

you guys almost won against my rockets, we had too many turnovers but dirk was off and dallas couldn't utilize the turnovers in the fourth quarter, missing some key shots (good shots though).

good game overall

"Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I hope your team crumbles and dies." -chumdawg

BGMaverick9 · 02-20-2009, 11:08 PM

It MUST be a slow night, or people are out on a Friday Night. The Mavs did LOSE right? I thought all the vultures would be out and about now.

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 11:09 PM

Unfortunately moving onto the Kings won't fix the situation that the Mavs will stay at the bottom of the WC bracket. And if they do sneak into the playoffs, they will get ousted in the first round again.

The Kings game wasn't nearly as important as this game. Not even close. The Mavs had a chance to leapfrog at least 1 team (at the end of the tonight I bet it will be a total of 3 teams)... and they didn't.

Now they are 1 1/2 games behind Houston. And without Terry that is going to be hard to make up. Beating the Kings won't show them anything anyway regarding the playoffs. Hell, Houston may be a team the Mavs could have played in the first round this year!

jc1988 · 02-20-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

"Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I hope your team crumbles and dies." -chumdawg

BGMaverick9 · 02-20-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Unfortunately moving onto the Kings won't fix the situation that the Mavs will stay at the bottom of the WC bracket. And if they do sneak into the playoffs, they will get ousted in the first round again.

The Kings game wasn't nearly as important as this game. Not even close. The Mavs had a chance to leapfrog at least 1 team (at the end of the tonight I bet it will be a total of 3 teams)... and they didn't.

Now they are 1 1/2 games behind Houston. And without Terry that is going to be hard to make up. Beating the Kings won't show them anything anyway regarding the playoffs. Hell, Houston may be a team the Mavs could have played in the first round this year!

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Dude, just stop with the schtick. We're tired of it man.

That's about all I've gotta say on that one. There isn't anything else NEW that needs to be said on the subject.

Bayliss · 02-20-2009, 11:17 PM

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There isn't anything else NEW that needs to be said on the subject.

That is why a trade needed to happen.

GuerillaBlack · 02-20-2009, 11:25 PM

To add on the "undermanned" part, I forgot the Rockets were missing Carl Landry. Averaging 9 points and 5 rebounds this season (not bad). Good bench player, but obviously not as big of a loss as Terry is for the Mavs.

Usually Lurkin · 02-20-2009, 11:41 PM

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That is why a trade needed to happen.

this loss is on Dirk and Cuban.

Dirkgreatness · 02-20-2009, 11:46 PM

This loss on Dirk, everyone stepped up besides him.

Usually Lurkin · 02-20-2009, 11:49 PM

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This loss on Dirk, everyone stepped up besides him.

Josh Howard was Josh Howard - meaning he disappeared during the 2nd half and was nowhere to be found when we needed a goto in the 4th. Everyone knows this is what he does. Everyone knows this is who he is. Cuban (or Donnie or whoever) keeps refusing trades because they don't want to give up Josh's complete lack of clutch. Our continued mediocrity is on those decision makers who decided to hold onto Josh's proven mediocrity rather than take a risk (you can read that as 'take on salary' if you like)..

twistaeffect2004 · 02-20-2009, 11:49 PM

Really disappointing loss.

Right now, it's pretty simple. With everyone so bunched together it's pivotal to win every game. It would be tough to be that team that didn't make it into the playoffs.

Got to win the next game. Jet or not Jet, it's a must. Everyone must step up.

dabien1 · 02-20-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yep, that team tonight was the Rockets for the rest of the year. Not a bad group, obviously, but lets not act like they were "undermanned." McGrady is not coming back.

This is true but the Rockets defense won the game tonight. There were a lot of questionable calls that went against the Rockets tonight.

Besides, Rockets were without Landry tonight also. It was a good game tonight

dabien1 · 02-20-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

To add on the "undermanned" part, I forgot the Rockets were missing Carl Landry. Averaging 9 points and 5 rebounds this season (not bad). Good bench player, but obviously not as big of a loss as Terry is for the Mavs.

Yep Terry has always been a Rockets killer. However, if he had played tonight, the stars probably wouldnt' have aligned for Barea tonight.

Flacolaco · 02-20-2009, 11:53 PM

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This is true but the Rockets defense won the game tonight. There were a lot of questionable calls that went against the Rockets tonight.

Besides, Rockets were without Landry tonight also. It was a good game tonight

When was the game?

JayGoogle · 02-20-2009, 11:54 PM

Rocket fan here...You guys will be alright. Had you had Terry tonight, most likely a win for the Mavs AGAIN in H-town seeing as how Terry has big nights against us in our building.

But I think it was a smart move to not trade Kidd for Baron and Kaman and at least...AT THE VERY LEAST...you're star player isn't hurt every year.

JJ looks good as always, but the Rockets are a gritty little team with better ball movement and more effort without Tmac.

Also being in the lower half isn't going to matter much if you play the Spurs or Lakers in the first round, I think you guys might get matched with Denver...and they are unproven in the playoffs and Melo isn't exactly mr.clutch himself. I could see the Mavs beating the Blazers/Nuggets/ Rockets(with Terry)/ and Hornets. The west is really wide open besides the Lakers.

Dirkgreatness · 02-20-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Josh Howard was Josh Howard - meaning he disappeared during the 2nd half and was nowhere to be found when we needed a goto in the 4th. Everyone knows this is what he does. Everyone knows this is who he is. Cuban (or Donnie or whoever) keeps refusing trades because they don't want to give up Josh's complete lack of clutch. Our continued mediocrity is on those decision makers who decided to hold onto Josh's proven mediocrity rather than take a risk (you can read that as 'take on salary' if you like)..

Well at least he somewhat showed up to the game. I don't know where Dirk was the entire time. But ill let it pass because Dirk is usually more consistent. Still, this loss was on Dirk though.

dabien1 · 02-20-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JayGoogle

Rocket fan here...You guys will be alright. Had you had Terry tonight, most likely a win for the Mavs AGAIN in H-town seeing as how Terry has big nights against us in our building.

But I think it was a smart move to not trade Kidd for Baron and Kaman and at least...AT THE VERY LEAST...you're star player isn't hurt every year.

JJ looks good as always, but the Rockets are a gritty little team with better ball movement and more effort without Tmac.

Also being in the lower half isn't going to matter much if you play the Spurs or Lakers in the first round, I think you guys might get matched with Denver...and they are unproven in the playoffs and Melo isn't exactly mr.clutch himself. I could see the Mavs beating the Blazers/Nuggets/ Rockets(with Terry)/ and Hornets. The west is really wide open besides the Lakers.

I have to disagree. This Rockets team is better than most give them credit for. They very well could be the team to beat in the West with exception to maybe the Lakers and Spurs.

It's been a tumultuous year with all the McGrady drama, but that's behind them now (hopefully). Their chemistry will continue to grow and the defense will continue to improve.

dabien1 · 02-21-2009, 12:01 AM

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Well at least he somewhat showed up to the game. I don't know where Dirk was the entire time. But ill let it pass because Dirk is usually more consistent. Still, this loss was on Dirk though.

Dirk faced some tough defense tonight. But generally, he does make most of those tough shots.

BGMaverick9 · 02-21-2009, 12:03 AM

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Well at least he somewhat showed up to the game. I don't know where Dirk was the entire time. But ill let it pass because Dirk is usually more consistent. Still, this loss was on Dirk though.

I'm going to give Scola and Co. a lot of credit, especially later (after the 1st), they pushed on him and made things difficult. Even the few times he attacked and missed, they didn't give him a free pass.

When games like tonight happen they should try more screens for Dirk to free him up. Whether he has the ball or not, set some screens and give him some more room to work with...I think it'll make a big difference.

As for people disappearing late, it's not like they had a lot of opportunities. They were scrapping on defense and getting some easier opportunities but when it got tougher, JJ and Bass carried us as far as they could in the 4th and hammered their two man game to death.

LonghornDub · 02-21-2009, 12:03 AM

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This is true but the Rockets defense won the game tonight. There were a lot of questionable calls that went against the Rockets tonight.

There were also plenty of questionable calls that went against the Mavs (or that weren't called in favor of the Mavs). Doesn't mean sh*t. It tends to all balance out by the end of 48 minutes.

Bottom line, I thought the Mavs really did themselves an injustice by failing to hang on in this one. But I can't worry about it too much when their 2nd leading scorer (and perhaps their best 4th quarter player) was in a suit.

dabien1 · 02-21-2009, 12:06 AM

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There were also plenty of questionable calls that went against the Mavs (or that weren't called in favor of the Mavs). Doesn't mean sh*t. It tends to all balance out by the end of 48 minutes.

Bottom line, I thought the Mavs really did themselves an injustice by failing to hang on in this one. But I can't worry about it too much when their 2nd leading scorer (and perhaps their best 4th quarter player) was in a suit.

Look, the better team won tonight. Granted Mavs were without Terry tonight and he's always lit up the Rockets, that does not spell an automatic win. Barea played out of his mind tonight and got a career high. That won't happen very often. Things have a way of balancing out with or without all of your key players. Just tip your hat to the Rockets and give them credit for being a good team on the rise. Seriously, give them some credit.

JayGoogle · 02-21-2009, 12:07 AM

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I have to disagree. This Rockets team is better than most give them credit for. They very well could be the team to beat in the West with exception to maybe the Lakers and Spurs.

It's been a tumultuous year with all the McGrady drama, but that's behind them now (hopefully). Their chemistry will continue to grow and the defense will continue to improve.

I gave the Spurs too much credit, I think they are not much better than the Rockets or Mavericks, just that their experience on closing out games and that playoff experience...is scary. They are given the benefit of the doubt but I've heard from Spurs fans that they don't want to see the Rockets and/or Mavs in the playoffs because of the familiarity of a division rival.

But...Jason Terry is a huge loss to the Mavs, I think he's their 2nd best scorer and Dirk kinda disappeared tonight in a clutch moment and JET seems to hit the big shots to beat us nearly all the time. I think it's a toss up between most of the teams in the West. Only teams that seem to be the weak link is Phoenix if they make it in without Amare and the Blazers because their inexperience.

dabien1 · 02-21-2009, 12:09 AM

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I gave the Spurs too much credit, I think they are not much better than the Rockets or Mavericks, just that their experience on closing out games and that playoff experience...is scary. They are given the benefit of the doubt but I've heard from Spurs fans that they don't want to see the Rockets and/or Mavs in the playoffs because of the familiarity of a division rival.

But...Jason Terry is a huge loss to the Mavs, I think he's their 2nd best scorer and Dirk kinda disappeared tonight in a clutch moment and JET seems to hit the big shots to beat us nearly all the time. I think it's a toss up between most of the teams in the West. Only teams that seem to be the weak link is Phoenix if they make it in without Amare and the Blazers because their inexperience.

Terry does seem to always light up the Rockets but Dirk missed a lot of his looks in large part to the Rockets defense tonight. The Rockets are a lot better than people (including yourself) give them credit for.

SMC0007 · 02-21-2009, 12:11 AM

As good as JJB was and I realize what he did, but he absolutely killed us with very untimely TO's late. STill a good game overall tho he stepped up to the challenge more than kiddirk did.

I'm done giving Dirk passes! Especially in situations like these. He gets these "passes" too much lately. He allowed himself to be guarded by everyone they threw at him and he took poor shots. They didn't fall and he pouted and started grabbing on D and just not being himself all around, instead of mixing it up more. He let the D dictate what he would do for the most part. The team feeds off him and that was very annoying to watch.

Jho was fine to me he hit the clutch huge 3 with around 3 mins left, it's a start and he played some good D drawing the offensive foul on Artest.

Houston had some lucky shots fall that we didn't. They beat us tonight but we helped them out a bit. It's ok, we just strap it back on and go to war with what we have.

BGMaverick9 · 02-21-2009, 12:19 AM

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As good as JJB was and I realize what he did, but he absolutely killed us with very untimely TO's late. STill a good game overall tho he stepped up to the challenge more than kiddirk did.

That's what I've been worried about with him, the complex he can get.
I still think he can learn from it instead of us having to settle with his negative aspects.

LonghornDub · 02-21-2009, 12:40 AM

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Look, the better team won tonight. Granted Mavs were without Terry tonight and he's always lit up the Rockets, that does not spell an automatic win. Barea played out of his mind tonight and got a career high. That won't happen very often. Things have a way of balancing out with or without all of your key players. Just tip your hat to the Rockets and give them credit for being a good team on the rise. Seriously, give them some credit.

The Rockets are not better than the Mavs. They won on their home court, by seven points, with the Mavs missing their second-leading scorer and the Mavs' best player having an absolutely terrible, uncharacteristic game.

And the Rockets are not a team "on the rise." They're a pretty solid team, with a chance of making the playoffs, and an even smaller chance of getting out of the first round (really, in a boat very similar to the Mavs). That's about it.