Who stays and who goes?

[dude1394]

Sounds promising, thanks.

[jthig32]

Um, Shawn also said these things:

Marion on what Dallas has to do or how much it'll cost to keep him: "Not much."

Shawn Marion on future: I want to retire here. I'm going to make this my home.

Marion on if it matters being a starter: "I've made sacrifices in my game to accomplish my dream. I wouldn't be against doing it again."

Shawn Marion on the Dallas Mavericks organization: "It's like a family here."

That doesn't mean it's a lock that he's staying, but it certainly doesn't sound like someone with one foot out the door either.

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Um, Shawn also said these things:

Quote:
Marion on what Dallas has to do or how much it'll cost to keep him: "Not much."
Quote:
Shawn Marion on future: I want to retire here. I'm going to make this my home.
Quote:
Marion on if it matters being a starter: "I've made sacrifices in my game to accomplish my dream. I wouldn't be against doing it again."
Quote:
Shawn Marion on the Dallas Mavericks organization: "It's like a family here."

[day1]

On contract next season
Ellis (8.7m) Stand pat
Calderon (7.1m) Stand pat
Wright (5.0m) tradeable
Ellington (2.5m) tradeable
Larkin (1.6m) Stand pat
Ledo (0.8m) Stand pat
Mekel (0.8m) tradeable

Team option
Dalembert (3.9m option) pick up the option

FA/UFA
Dirk re-sign: top priority
Marion try to re-sign (but Cuban won't pay the required price)
Carter try to re-sign (Raptors may compete for him)
Harris try to re-sign (he deserves the first contract we offered last offseason)
Blair depends on price & other moves
Crowder depends on price & other moves
James let walk

[Kante]

Crowder is a no-brainer and i would maybe try to see what he can do with more playing time. marion can come back cheap and off the bench. Carter has to stay, same with Harris.

Get a C/SF and roll with it. If it costs Calderon, it would not be great, but ok. Blair can leave when he finds more money elsewhere...

[#41 Shoot em up]

Sounds like Stephenson is not on the Mavs radar...... and Deng is a target. I suspect Ariza or Deng will be our starting SF next year.

I also predict we get our starting Center next year through trade.

[Vinsanity]

PG - Jose Calderon / Devin Harris
SG - Monta Ellis / Vince Carter
SF - Luol Deng / Jae Crowder
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Shawn Marion
C - Marcin Gortat / Jordan Hill

If that's our team next year, I'll be a happy man

[#41 Shoot em up]

^ Only if Sammy D is still here to backup Gortat. And Hill is our backup 4.... no more Marion at the 4. Would like one more wing defender too

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

PG - Jose Calderon / Devin Harris
SG - Monta Ellis / Vince Carter
SF - Luol Deng / Jae Crowder
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Shawn Marion
C - Marcin Gortat / Jordan Hill

If that's our team next year, I'll be a happy man

If you give Dirk 10Mil, Marion 3Mil, Devin 3Mil and trade Wright for nothing, that leaves you 20Mil to spend. (And assume Vince takes the Room Exception)

20Mil is a TON to spend on just two roster spots. And yet, it's almost certainly not enough for the top C and the top (non-Carmelo) SF on the market.

And I Gortat practically a lock to re-sign in Washington.

I'm starting to wonder if Ariza is someone the Mavs will go hard after. But he's played so well, he may get a nutso contract too.

Trade for Tyson and sign Ariza, add to current roster minus Blair/Wright?

Intriguing no?

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by jthig32

If you give Dirk 10Mil, Marion 3Mil, Devin 3Mil and trade Wright for nothing, that leaves you 20Mil to spend. (And assume Vince takes the Room Exception)

20Mil is a TON to spend on just two roster spots. And yet, it's almost certainly not enough for the top C and the top (non-Carmelo) SF on the market.

And I Gortat practically a lock to re-sign in Washington.

I'm starting to wonder if Ariza is someone the Mavs will go hard after. But he's played so well, he may get a nutso contract too.

Trade for Tyson and sign Ariza, add to current roster minus Blair/Wright?

Intriguing no?

Alright scratch the Gortat idea. But anything involving bringing Tyson back I'm down for. He's got one year left on his deal so his age and injury problems last year aren't as big of a concern. And for the SF position, I like Ariza, but we gotta find a way to get Deng. It'll take a lot of work to get Deng AND Chandler (or any good center)... but maybe it'll work if Deng takes about 10mil per, we trade Wright, don't pick up Dalembert's option, sign Carter/Harris for minimum, don't bring Marion back and resign Blair for minimum as well to be the backup PF. I'm not good with all the money/salary cap stuff but that sounds like it could work.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

And I Gortat practically a lock to re-sign in Washington.

I'm starting to wonder if Ariza is someone the Mavs will go hard after. But he's played so well, he may get a nutso contract too.

Washington is already at $46m with only 6 players under contract, not including the $3.5m option on Booker. They obviously can't keep both Gortat and Ariza, but I also wonder how motivated one would be to stick around if the other walks... I mean, is Gortat really a slam dunk to re-sign if Ariza isn't there? The Wizards might not even be a playoff team next year.

How much can Washington realistically throw at Gortat? And why wouldn't he consider another team if the money is about the same?

As far as Ariza - I think he's definitely Plan B if we can't get Deng.

[dude1394]

Hmm...I didn't realize that Jae was a free agent. He's gone.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Washington is already at $46m with only 6 players under contract, not including the $3.5m option on Booker. They obviously can't keep both Gortat and Ariza, but I also wonder how motivated one would be to stick around if the other walks... I mean, is Gortat really a slam dunk to re-sign if Ariza isn't there? The Wizards might not even be a playoff team next year.

How much can Washington realistically throw at Gortat? And why wouldn't he consider another team if the money is about the same?

As far as Ariza - I think he's definitely Plan B if we can't get Deng.

I mean, they CAN keep both of them. It's just a question of how much they're willing to spend. They have another 25Mil to go beyond the 46 they're at before they hit luxury tax. Maybe they're willing to pay the luxury tax to keep an ECF team together.

But why would the Wizards not be a playoff team next year? I think they're legitimately good. Wall is a budding superstar, Beal is really good and Nene is really good when he's healthy. If Gortat stays that's a great core.

They also spent the 3rd pick in the draft last year on a SF. And they signed Martell Webster last year. They went into this season expecting the Ariza of the last couple of years (who wasn't very good), so they were making alternative plans. So I don't think they or Gortat would view it as devastating to their future if they don't re-sign Ariza.

I actually think it's pretty likely that they don't re-sign Ariza. I imagine that's part of their plan.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Hmm...I didn't realize that Jae was a free agent. He's gone.

The Mavs have a player option on him for 900K. He's a near lock to be back, I would think.

[yahyes]

Looking at the mock draft I see 3 centers that are lottery pick potentials. Would it be a good idea if we trade all 3 our draft picks and an asset(maybe Wright) for the best lottery pick center? That way we can afford Blair back. Then have Dalembert, Blair, and center we drafted be the bigs. The case would be in bargaining with some teams during the draft. Maybe Denver could agree by giving us their 11th pick. Or even Detroit with their 8th pick. Also it can set up an opportunity to sign a backup PF for Dirk. How's Charlie Villanueva sound?

PF: Dirk and Villanueva
Center: Dalembert, Blair, and lottery pick center

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Hmm...I didn't realize that Jae was a free agent. He's gone.

Pretty much. Unless front office deals Ellington in a trade. Then Crowder gets brought back I bet.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by jthig32

The Mavs have a player option on him for 900K. He's a near lock to be back, I would think.

I thought so to but this site says no. Of course, it COULD be wrong.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I thought so to but this site says no. Of course, it COULD be wrong.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

Hoopshype is easily the least reliable salary/contract site around. Multiple quality sites have him as a player option.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I thought so to but this site says no. Of course, it COULD be wrong.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/dallas.htm

Shamsports has the deets. It's the same sort of deal that Chandler Parsons and Ledo both signed. There's pretty much zero chance that he becomes a free agent this summer.

[dude1394]

Shamsports needs to work on their SEO rating. Hoopsworld always comes up when I ask for it.

Thanks for the correct info.

Good God.. Shamsports shows two more years!!! Yea I agree, he's going nowhere.

[soundchaser]

After Melo and Bron sign then we see what the pecking order is and my top choices would include Lowry, Ariza, Deng, Gortat, Monroe. I want at least one big and two from this list. If you add to this with second tier guys on the cheap then we need to fill in with our free agents that might want more. Chemistry is something we need to keep in perspective. Harris Marion and Carter coming back would be nice but not needed if we get an Ariza or Deng. Wright Ellington Larkin and Mekel need to go. Ledo is a potential developing keeper and cheap so are Larkin and Mekel but if we can find a taker to give us a pick then you pay them to take them. Ellington was a talented player but no PT hurt his value so we probably won't get much. If we get Deng or Ariza with a center signing from Gortat or Monroe then we are set at everywhere with the exception of PG were Harris and Calderon would likely split time. Adding to our PG with what is left might not bring in a Kyle Lowry but maybe a 3rd PG prospect like Heinrich Crawford or Vasquez could come in and allow us to platoon the 4 g rotation with Ellis Harris Calderon with one of these three and Vasquez is my favorite to put next to a smaller SG like Ellis with his being 6'6" I like his size and ability when used in certain matchups.

Vasquez Calderon Harris
Ellis Carter Ledo
Ariza or Deng Marion Crowder
Dirk Blair
Gortat or Monroe Dalembert

Add to the bigs with signings and see what falls in our laps when teams make cuts or offer trades that add in youth to the core.

That would provide us a decent starting lineup with 4 positions and mixing it up with Harris Calderon and Vasquez all taking turns as the PG starter would be something we could live with till someone took the job. Calderon might actually improve when he has a second year to gel. Harris looked fairly comfortable here this go round so his familiarity with the city probably gave him some advantage in fitting in better.

to play things out I think you make your play for a big and a SF quickly and get the guy your wanting and then sit back and see who falls to fill in behind them

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Shamsports needs to work on their SEO rating. Hoopsworld always comes up when I ask for it.

Thanks for the correct info.

Good God.. Shamsports shows two more years!!! Yea I agree, he's going nowhere.

That last year (in red) is his qualifying offer amount that would be needed to make him a restricted free agent.

For the record, I actually prefer Story Tellers because it's all on one searchable page.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I mean, they CAN keep both of them. It's just a question of how much they're willing to spend. They have another 25Mil to go beyond the 46 they're at before they hit luxury tax. Maybe they're willing to pay the luxury tax to keep an ECF team together.

But why would the Wizards not be a playoff team next year? I think they're legitimately good. Wall is a budding superstar, Beal is really good and Nene is really good when he's healthy. If Gortat stays that's a great core.

They also spent the 3rd pick in the draft last year on a SF. And they signed Martell Webster last year. They went into this season expecting the Ariza of the last couple of years (who wasn't very good), so they were making alternative plans. So I don't think they or Gortat would view it as devastating to their future if they don't re-sign Ariza.

I actually think it's pretty likely that they don't re-sign Ariza. I imagine that's part of their plan.

If they had the Ariza of the last couple years then Washington probably wouldn't even be a playoff team right now... He's a big part of what they're doing, and it'll be pretty damn hard to replace him through free agency if he walks.

Also, tap the breaks on the ECF talk - they're not there yet.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If they had the Ariza of the last couple years then Washington probably wouldn't even be a playoff team right now... He's a big part of what they're doing, and it'll be pretty damn hard to replace him through free agency if he walks.

Also, tap the breaks on the ECF talk - they're not there yet.

I'll be shocked if they don't end up there.

John Wall is 23 and Bradley Beal is 20. And they have the #3 pick from last season waiting to start playing. I agree that they'll have a bit of a drop off if they let Ariza walk, but they're going to improve appreciably just by letting their young stars mature into their prime.

Plus, it's not like they'd have to let Ariza walk and replace him with nothing. They could still use the MLE to replace 75% of what he brings if they so choose.

[soundchaser]

of course Houston will probably want to make a move to improve the fit of players they have by doing something with Asik but I am not sold on him at this point, Gortat is a much more stable center IMHO but Hawes also offers something if he falls to us. I would think that Hawes and Dalembert might provide a nice mix of talent at the 5 but so would Gortat and Dally. Monroe is a talent you take if available but I doubt his defensive prowess is ever going to develop sort of like Amare never really defended all that well. But lets say Melo actually wanted out of NY and we could snag him and then a center like Hawes was all we could afford because Melo took us out of the Gortat and Monroe chase. That is still a potent offensive team and maybe we do something with what is left to add Vasquez for a bit more perimeter D and then look for bargain defensive bigs to fill in.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'll be shocked if they don't end up there.

John Wall is 23 and Bradley Beal is 20. And they have the #3 pick from last season waiting to start playing. I agree that they'll have a bit of a drop off if they let Ariza walk, but they're going to improve appreciably just by letting their young stars mature into their prime.

Plus, it's not like they'd have to let Ariza walk and replace him with nothing. They could still use the MLE to replace 75% of what he brings if they so choose.

You think an MLE guy could replace 75% of what Ariza brings? Well, you just talked me out of wanting to sign him this summer... Better pencil-in Marion as our starting SF if we don't get Deng.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Underdog

You think an MLE guy could replace 75% of what Ariza brings? Well, you just talked me out of wanting to sign him this summer... Better pencil-in Marion as our starting SF if we don't get Deng.

Sure. He's not an all-star. He just happens to fit what we need very well (if he's playing like he did most of this season). I don't feel like I'm running him down when I say that. You pay a lot more for that last 25%.

I think there are guys around MLE money that replace 75% of what Deng does as well. Hell I think Marion does 75% of what Deng does.

[yahyes]

I don't see Ariza and Gortat leaving Washington. So.. onto another free agent.

[soundchaser]

Yeah getting Marion back at bargain money fills a lot of holes hopefully we get the home town discount

[jthig32]

Since some of Shawn's exit interview comments were discussed in this thread, I'll post the link to the full set of quotes compiled by our own BGutz.

It's worth your time. I love me some Shawn Marion.

[soundchaser]

maybe a mix of Kirlenko and or Granger with Marion at the 4/3 then we improve center in trade and sign Lowry at PG while casting off the unwanted.

[ffballer]

two names and we re contenders.. rondo/ monroe

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by ffballer

two names and we re contenders.. rondo/ monroe

Rondo needs the ball to be successful just like Ellis, so other than scrappy defense, I don't think you are adding as much as you'd think. We'd also have two guys incapable of shooting the three if Ellis and Rondo played together.

Monroe might be interesting, but I'd worry about price.

[spreedom]

I'd imagine that if we were getting Rondo, we'd almost certainly be sending Ellis to the Celtics anyway... I mean, they have to pay somebody with all of that cap space.

And I'd just do whatever I had to, to get Rondo on the team, and then I'd worry about the fit. He could still be an elite point guard for a decade.

[Underdog]

Rondo is one of a few players in this league that I'd comfortably trade Ellis for... That said, I don't really know why the Celtics would do it.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Rondo is one of a few players in this league that I'd comfortably trade Ellis for... That said, I don't really know why the Celtics would do it.

You'd have to assume we'd be sending them at least a couple of first-rounders in the deal as well. I'd probably give them just about anything they wanted for Rondo. He'd just be such a perfect fit next to Dirk, and if we had the right pieces at the three and five, we might not even have to deal Calderon.

[DGM]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Why? He'd likely play roughly the same number of minutes he played for us this season. Backing up at center isn't like backing up Monta at SG. You still play heavy minutes.

Besides, who else is he going to start for?

I think Dally as the backup is basically a foregone conclusion at this point.

Sam is gone. Mavs were a better team with him on the floor but Rick and Sam are oil and water. Sam can make the same money elsewhere without the Carlisle drama. Carlisle is a great coach but when he gets down on a player he won't play him. Rick chose to play Blair and Wright over Sam and cost the Mavs games because Sam pissed him off (see last Golden State game). Mavs have to pay to get some big guys.

By the way, Donnie failed Rick in big guy acquisition. Last year SA picked up Diaw for free. Look at what Drew Gooden I'd doing in Washington (another freebie). Just a little big guy help for Dirk and Mavs could have beat the Spurs. Duncan did not have to guard anyone on defense. He was able to float. We have got to get Dirk some help down low..

[Twenty4sevenn]

The longer the Wiz's playoff run lasts, the more dumb FOs will be willing to grossly overpay for Ariza and Gortat this summer. So we have that working against us. If we're really interested in the pair, it would serve us well for Indy to dominate the next 4 games and send DC packing.

I think that Houston will be come out guns blazin' for Melo this summer. They strike me as a team that would throw away young talent just to have their own Big 3. Parsons might be expendable. Also, he seems like a team player, but I doubt he'd want to lose all his minutes and starting job at this point in his career.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DGM

Sam is gone. Mavs were a better team with him on the floor but Rick and Sam are oil and water. Sam can make the same money elsewhere without the Carlisle drama.

We have a team option on Dalembert, so it's not his choice.

[DGM]

good. maybe mavs can get some value for him.