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Melonhead · 06-13-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont care about the pot, but that leaked video with Nick Young WAS pure character garbage

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/30/1...zalea-cheating

Snitched on a teammate that was cheating on his gf? At 19, I dont think thats a huge deal. Doesnt define character imo

endtroducing MASKED · 06-13-2019, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Kemba says he is willing to take less than the max to stay with Charlotte, but is open to signing elsewhere.

Even if he took less, Hornets are still in cap hell and would only have the MLE.

EricaLubarsky · 06-13-2019, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

You wanna blow 15m+ per on Jonas?

Blow? No

Spend yes

15 on Jonas. Dude put up 20-10 for Spurs
8-10 on Beverly
5-7 on a sharpshooter

BPo001 · 06-13-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Blow? No

Spend yes

15 on Jonas. Dude put up 20-10 for Spurs
8-10 on Beverly
5-7 on a sharpshooter

*Grizzlies

JJP · 06-13-2019, 05:11 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Jonas opted out of a contract for 17 mil. I doubt he takes a contract less than that from anyone.

hayth.james.g · 06-13-2019, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Even if he took less, Hornets are still in cap hell and would only have the MLE.

Exactly. This story will evolve before July 1. If he wants to stay home, make a few all starts, maybe see first round of playoffs, then he will resign. There is no scenario where they compete for a title in the next 4 years.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-13-2019, 05:30 PM

I think Kemba is going to end up in New York after they lose Kyrie to Brooklyn. Kemba going home to New York would make sense.

EricaLubarsky · 06-13-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

I think Kemba is going to end up in New York after they lose Kyrie to Brooklyn. Kemba going home to New York would make sense.

If that happens, then someone needs to photoshop Smith Jr’s head On the crying Jordan meme

EricaLubarsky · 06-13-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

If I'm not mistaken, Jonas opted out of a contract for 17 mil. I doubt he takes a contract less than that from anyone.

He opted out of 1/17

I could see him taking 4/58

Melonhead · 06-13-2019, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Blow? No

Spend yes

15 on Jonas. Dude put up 20-10 for Spurs
8-10 on Beverly
5-7 on a sharpshooter

Still makes the Mavs a slow ass team. We need athleticism on the wing. Id absolutely want him if we didnt already have KP. Sharpshooters dont grow on trees.

JJP · 06-13-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He opted out of 1/17

I could see him taking 4/58

Yes, I just thought that too. The length of the contract is the critical piece.

And the post by melonhead above is probably accurate. Small-ball teams like Golden State this year would run us to death with those two bigs on the court at the same time.

sefant77 · 06-13-2019, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Kemba says he is willing to take less than the max to stay with Charlotte, but is open to signing elsewhere.

Veteran leadership as high character guy, we dont have to run Luka into the ground, they are able to play off each other in the 16-18min they are together on the court.

Im still team Kemba. I like his loyalty to Charlotte but that franchise is going nowhere the next few years. Jordan just sucks and they suck worse in drafting than we pre-Luka.

And Kemba isnt going to the Knicks, last thing he wants is a chaotic crap franchise

JJP · 06-13-2019, 06:46 PM

Goran Dragic just opted into his contract, so he stays in Miami unless traded.

https://hoopshype.com/storyline/gora...c-free-agency/

sefant77 · 06-13-2019, 07:20 PM

No surprise, he is never going to see this money again at his age.

Could be an option for a simple Lee-Dragic switch, if the Heat decide to move on from him

Dtownsfinest · 06-13-2019, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP

I don't think this is about "hoping" for anything. It's just about realistic expectations, and the distribution of cap money over time.

I don't think the front office wants to spend all it's money on hired guns for short contracts. They want to "build" a championship that can contend for several years. You'd rather be Golden State than Oklahoma City, and there's a method to that.

Oklahoma City made the Finals. I'd be ok with that too. People said Raptors shouldn't trade for Leonard because he would be a one year rental and one year rentals don't go on to make it to the Final. People try to use history to dictate the future and I Just don't agree with it.

Dtownsfinest · 06-13-2019, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

He opted out of 1/17

I could see him taking 4/58

If he takes that I'd be shocked. Extremely shocked.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-14-2019, 12:37 AM

Klay Thompson tore his ACL as well. Man. Warriors have to punt next year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2019, 12:48 AM

Klay and Durant’s injuries change a lot this summer. They won’t be the same team next season even if both are retained. Now is the time to get as good as you can as quickly as you can.

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 04:04 AM

Yepp...Houston a mess and Harden also reaching 30. Westbrick strongly declining and Thunder in cap hell. Lakers maybe striking Out with AD and in the FA. Clippers maybe striking out too.

Underdog · 06-14-2019, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Klay and Durant’s injuries change a lot this summer. They won’t be the same team next season even if both are retained. Now is the time to get as good as you can as quickly as you can.

I can't imagine that they'll max out TWO players who probably won't see the floor before next year's All-Star break (if at all)... If Toronto proved anything, it's that every season counts when you're a contender. GSW can't afford to punt next season if it means burning 1/4 of both Klay's and KD's max contracts while paying luxury (and repeaters) tax -- especially when there's a likelihood that Durant never gets back to 100%. The risk of effectively closing their window while Curry/Klay/Dray are still in their prime is too high if they take this route, even more so when you consider the price tag... I think they let KD walk.

tap2390 · 06-14-2019, 07:58 AM

Even if AD ends up going to the Lakers for Ingram, Kuzma, and the 4th pick, the West is looking wide open for the first time in years.

saclare · 06-14-2019, 11:06 AM

I'm all-in on a Kemba signing and going for it hard the next two years. I'm not sure how you round out the rebounding front, but the West is going to be wide open even when Durant and Klay are getting healthy into 2020-2021.

I'm also pumped after seeing the Kristaps All-Star reserve highlights again lol

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 11:55 AM

And there are rumours that Kawhi stays on a short deal in Toronto to run it back one or two times...

Lillard probably asking for it and signing the supermax also kills pretty any chance of improving the Blazers.

BPo001 · 06-14-2019, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

And there are rumours that Kawhi stays on a short deal in Toronto to run it back one or two times...

I think he’s 1-2 years away from being a 10 year vet that gets him a huge payday. I’d expect him back in Toronto next year.

Melonhead · 06-14-2019, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I can't imagine that they'll max out TWO players who probably won't see the floor before next year's All-Star break (if at all)... I think they let KD walk.

Warriors will max both. They have the money

SMC0007 · 06-14-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I can't imagine that they'll max out TWO players who probably won't see the floor before next year's All-Star break (if at all)... If Toronto proved anything, it's that every season counts when you're a contender. GSW can't afford to punt next season if it means burning 1/4 of both Klay's and KD's max contracts while paying luxury (and repeaters) tax -- especially when there's a likelihood that Durant never gets back to 100%. The risk of effectively closing their window while Curry/Klay/Dray are still in their prime is too high if they take this route, even more so when you consider the price tag... I think they let KD walk.

This is what I'm saying.

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 12:49 PM

Windhorst (yes i know) reporting the Warriors plan to offer both guys five year contracts.

The new arena is endless money printing (15$ for a hotdog), so i think they are running this group several more years until they are all 33+

Melonhead · 06-14-2019, 01:08 PM

You have arguably the best player in the league (Durant) and a core piece of the team that is one of the goat shooters, why would you let either of them walk? I dont understand that mindset. 80% Durant is still better than most the league. And they dont get those last two titles without him. Its billionaires money moving to a new stadium. Theyll do whats necessary to keep both.

sefant77 · 06-14-2019, 01:37 PM

https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/s...00975235375105

The obvious: Klay is staying:

And i really think with the injury Durant stays too. Now he has also a great excuse (they lost, unfinished business blabla). Better than rehabbing with a trashy Knicks franchise

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2019, 02:30 PM

I’m not sure the Warriors make the playoffs with just a healthy Curry. And 80% KD? Has any player with this injury come back 80%? They certainly never look the same again.

I actually think this improves our chances of landing someone like Walker because the West is wide open next season.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-14-2019, 03:06 PM

Warriors letting Durant or Thompson walk would be black hole stupid. They’ll be not great next year, but with both of them, that’s another 3 or 4 years of being title favorites. The luck will change and they’ll come across buy out vets who want to win, just didn’t happen this time.

BPo001 · 06-14-2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Warriors letting Durant or Thompson walk would be black hole stupid. They’ll be not great next year, but with both of them, that’s another 3 or 4 years of being title favorites. The luck will change and they’ll come across buy out vets who want to win, just didn’t happen this time.

You say it like it’s their choice. Both players are UFA and can go where they please. I full expect Thompson to be back, but KD could be looking to show that he can lead his own team to a title. I’m hopeful KD leaves.

Underdog · 06-14-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

You have arguably the best player in the league (Durant) and a core piece of the team that is one of the goat shooters, why would you let either of them walk? I dont understand that mindset. 80% Durant is still better than most the league. And they dont get those last two titles without him. Its billionaires money moving to a new stadium. Theyll do whats necessary to keep both.

Why would you assume that he comes back 80% from an achilles injury? Wes Mathews recovered pretty quickly and came back at maybe 60% of what he used to be (especially on the defensive end)... Boogie looks similar -- he can still score, but his lateral motion is kaput... Rudy Gay, like KD, was in his 12th season when he got injured and also came back at about 60%... Elton Brand was the same age as KD and his game completely fell off a cliff... Patrick Ewing and Kobe Bryant became shells of their former selves... And Isiah Thomas, Chauncy Billups, Anderson Varejao, Brandon Jennings, Mehmet Okur, and Voshon Lenard were all forced into retirement by their achilles injuries... The ONLY success story is Dominique Wilkins.

And just to be clear -- 60% Kevin Durant isn't anywhere near a max player.

quietsavant · 06-14-2019, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would you assume that he comes back 80% from an achilles injury? Wes Mathews recovered pretty quickly and came back at maybe 60% of what he used to be (especially on the defensive end)... Boogie looks similar -- he can still score, but his lateral motion is kaput... Rudy Gay, like KD, was in his 12th season when he got injured and also came back at about 60%... Elton Brand was the same age as KD and his game completely fell off a cliff... Patrick Ewing and Kobe Bryant became shells of their former selves... And Isiah Thomas, Chauncy Billups, Anderson Varejao, Brandon Jennings, Mehmet Okur, and Voshon Lenard were all forced into retirement by their achilles injuries... The ONLY success story is Dominique Wilkins.

And just to be clear -- 60% Kevin Durant isn't anywhere near a max player.

So much truth being spoken here, sir.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-14-2019, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would you assume that he comes back 80% from an achilles injury? Wes Mathews recovered pretty quickly and came back at maybe 60% of what he used to be (especially on the defensive end)... Boogie looks similar -- he can still score, but his lateral motion is kaput... Rudy Gay, like KD, was in his 12th season when he got injured and also came back at about 60%... Elton Brand was the same age as KD and his game completely fell off a cliff... Patrick Ewing and Kobe Bryant became shells of their former selves... And Isiah Thomas, Chauncy Billups, Anderson Varejao, Brandon Jennings, Mehmet Okur, and Voshon Lenard were all forced into retirement by their achilles injuries... The ONLY success story is Dominique Wilkins.

And just to be clear -- 60% Kevin Durant isn't anywhere near a max player.

Which is why I’d be jumping for joy if he stayed with GS. He will never be the same player. Wes iron manned his ass back to health, and it wasn’t enough. And what happens when you’re physically limited? The mind takes over thinking you still got it. All downhill from there...

Melonhead · 06-14-2019, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would you assume that he comes back 80% from an achilles injury? Wes Mathews recovered pretty quickly and came back at maybe 60% of what he used to be (especially on the defensive end)... Boogie looks similar -- he can still score, but his lateral motion is kaput... Rudy Gay, like KD, was in his 12th season when he got injured and also came back at about 60%... Elton Brand was the same age as KD and his game completely fell off a cliff... Patrick Ewing and Kobe Bryant became shells of their former selves... And Isiah Thomas, Chauncy Billups, Anderson Varejao, Brandon Jennings, Mehmet Okur, and Voshon Lenard were all forced into retirement by their achilles injuries... The ONLY success story is Dominique Wilkins.

And just to be clear -- 60% Kevin Durant isn't anywhere near a max player.

Cause his game isn’t completely built off athleticism and he doesn’t carry weight like the centers you mention. Also because he’s better than all of the players you mentioned. He’s getting max wherever he decides to go, but I think he rehabs in GS

rimrocker · 06-14-2019, 09:27 PM

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And there are rumours that Kawhi stays on a short deal in Toronto to run it back one or two times...

Seems Kawhi would sign a super-max deal and then ask for a trade after a few years if he is ready to move on or if things begin to go in a different direction for the Raptors.
He could put in a no-trade clause and I'm sure either the Lakers or Clippers would offer something pretty enticing for the Raptors if that is where he'd want to go.

After watching Klay and KD go down, I can't understand why any player offered a super-max deal wouldn't take it.

endtroducing MASKED · 06-15-2019, 05:35 PM

AD to Lakers for Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and 3 first rounders (including #4). Incredible trade for New Orleans.

sefant77 · 06-15-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

AD to Lakers for Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and 3 first rounders (including #4). Incredible trade for New Orleans.

Sucessfully destroyed his trade value in any other trade scenario (Knicks, Celtics).

Lonzo is trash (you can just sign Rubio) and Ingram has the bloodclot issue.

Well, the next injury is coming for Mr. Glassman

endtroducing MASKED · 06-15-2019, 05:47 PM

Lakers will have $28 or $32 million to spend if AD waives a trade bonus.