General NBA watching thread 2010-11 edition - Page 48 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mac222b · 05-08-2011, 01:24 PM

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Wow, that was uncomfortable to watch...

Of course it was uncomfortable- HE HAS A CRICK IN HIS NECK!!!
Someone please get the poor guy a neckbrace and wheelchair.

Underdog · 05-08-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Of course it was uncomfortable- HE HAS A CRICK IN HIS NECK!!!
Someone please get the poor guy a neckbrace and wheelchair.

zing!

fluid.forty.one · 05-08-2011, 02:07 PM

edit: I guess I should read more recent posts

FINtastic · 05-08-2011, 06:04 PM

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Of course it was uncomfortable- HE HAS A CRICK IN HIS NECK!!!
Someone please get the poor guy a neckbrace and wheelchair.

The wheelchair is reserved for Wade.

jthig32 · 05-08-2011, 09:26 PM

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Give me the Thunder. I don't like the prospect of facing up against Z-Bo at all as I don't think we really have anyone who can defend him well. Plus the Memphis guards are pretty stout defensively and the key to our run has been the increased production of JET and Kidd in the postseason. If they come crashing down to earth again we may in trouble.

As for the Thunder, you've already noted that Marion is about as good of a Durant defender as you can get. While Westbrook seems like a potentially scary matchup for us, all I can do is look at the numbers he's posted against us in the last two seasons, and they haven't been good at all. Plus if Westbrook wants to play hero against us, I'm willing to let him do so because he's just about the most inefficient member of their offense right now.

You are right that Ibaka seems to be about as ideal of a Dirk defender as one can think of, but it's not like Dirk has had much trouble against the Thunder in the ~50 minutes he played against the Thunder this season (he absolutely torched them). Even though that's a pretty limited sample to draw from, I'm also of the opinion that Dirk is unguardable one-on-one right now so I'll take my chances against Ibaka even if he is long and super athletic. I think the most underrated aspect of the Thunder matchup is that it will free up Chandler to be a beast again whereas facing up against Randolph is going to be another bad defensive matchup that could result in more foul trouble for our big guy.

I'll take the Thunder, who I think get overrated because everyone loves Durant so much. And whether or not they are truly overrated, we seem to do pretty well against them anyways. It seems strange to fear a 8th seed in the Western Conference Finals, but I'm not a huge fan of the Memphis matchup. And it's not like our franchise has had the best history with 8th seeds...

Well, first of all let me say that you make good points, and I'm not thrilled with either match up.

But a couple of rebuttals:

1. I think Tyson can guard Randolph. I don't fear him any more than I feared Aldridge. He'll be tough and he might get Tyson in foul trouble a couple of times, but I certainly think Tyson can stay with him.

2. I'm not sure that Ibaka guarded Dirk much during the regular season. We never played them before they got Perkins, and unless I'm mistaken, they generally played Ibaka at center before that trade.

3. At the end of the day, if the teams seem relatively equal, then I don't want the team with the best player. And Durant is clearly the best player on either of those teams.

Flacolaco · 05-08-2011, 10:46 PM

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3. At the end of the day, if the teams seem relatively equal, then I don't want the team with the best player. And Durant is clearly the best player on either of those teams.

I think I am coming around to this way of thinking...both teams are scary though just because of the youth and athleticism.

The Mavs just beat an old, slow team. The "We beat the Lakers, so obviously we're going to win the WCF" attitude that a lot of Mavs fans are putting out there today is a farce. That will have nothing to do with anything next round because, as we all know, styles make fights.

I would rather avoid that OKC crowd too, like you've been saying. That's a big factor, for whatever reason.

Dirkadirkastan · 05-08-2011, 10:56 PM

I think we should complain about the path ahead no matter how difficult it appears. If it looks tough, we should complain about the fact that it's not easy. But if it looks easy, we should complain about the Mavs suddenly becoming a slacking, overconfident team, even though there's never been any evidence of such a thing.

Underdog · 05-08-2011, 11:34 PM

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I would rather avoid that OKC crowd too, like you've been saying. That's a big factor, for whatever reason.

We have HCA, for whatever that's worth...

mavs777 · 05-08-2011, 11:52 PM

well we also beat Portland who is pretty athletic at the 2-4 sans Roy

Flacolaco · 05-08-2011, 11:55 PM

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We have HCA, for whatever that's worth...

That's the question...what is it worth? 11 of 12 series this year have featured road teams winning at least one game if not more.

fluid.forty.one · 05-09-2011, 12:59 AM

Portland crowd > OKC crowd

Dirkadirkastan · 05-09-2011, 01:00 AM

We might lose. Good point, Flaco. I'm scared now.

mavs777 · 05-09-2011, 02:23 AM

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That's the question...what is it worth? 11 of 12 series this year have featured road teams winning at least one game if not more.

whats the mavs record at home in the playoffs?

Dirkadirkastan · 05-09-2011, 02:31 AM

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whats the mavs record at home in the playoffs?

According to Flaco, the Mavs' wins in Portland and LA now count against them in the "11 of 12" category. This is why they're much more likely to lose a home game next round than win a road game. See how it works?

fluid.forty.one · 05-09-2011, 06:49 PM

Go Celtics, Go.

dude1394 · 05-09-2011, 07:00 PM

go celtics go

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 07:25 PM

It amuses me greatly that Chris Bosh is such garbage.

FINtastic · 05-09-2011, 07:28 PM

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It amuses me greatly that Chris Bosh is such garbage.

He just has jitters, that's all.

FINtastic · 05-09-2011, 07:31 PM

I loved how in that highlight package coming out of the half they talked about Miami's "Big Three" but only had highlights of Lebron and Wade.

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 07:39 PM

Maybe Bosh heard me. He's managed to string together a few buckets, almost as if he's a real basketball player.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:16 PM

Good god this game has been hard to watch.

Mav Addict · 05-09-2011, 08:20 PM

I like how Pau and Bosh were considered two of the best PF's in the game during this past summer...these playoffs has showed that both are the equivalent of cottonelle ultra tissue with aloe vera

Ball don't lie boys and girls

OSUmavsfan · 05-09-2011, 08:28 PM

Does anyone else watching this game (especially the 4th quarter) feel like the Mavs are much better than these teams right now?

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:32 PM

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Does anyone else watching this game (especially the 4th quarter) feel like the Mavs are much better than these teams right now?

I think the Mavs could probably beat the Celtics, but I just don't want any part of the Heat. I'm rooting really hard for the Celtics to miraculously reach the finals again, because Chicago and Miami both worry me.

chumdawg · 05-09-2011, 08:33 PM

Why in the world did the Heat burn clock there?

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:35 PM

C'mon Celtics....

OSUmavsfan · 05-09-2011, 08:35 PM

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I think the Mavs could probably beat the Celtics, but I just don't want any part of the Heat. I'm rooting really hard for the Celtics to miraculously reach the finals again, because Chicago and Miami both worry me.

I'm rooting hard for the Celtics too just because of my hatred for the Heat. The level of play has picked up a lot since my last post haha, but I'm a lot more confident about our chances against any of these teams than I've been since about January.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:36 PM

Ugh... overtime...

FINtastic · 05-09-2011, 08:38 PM

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I think the Mavs could probably beat the Celtics, but I just don't want any part of the Heat. I'm rooting really hard for the Celtics to miraculously reach the finals again, because Chicago and Miami both worry me.

Chicago? There's nothing very scary about them right now from what I can see. They had a great run in the regular season but Boozer has been non-existent in the playoffs, and their offense is built around an inefficient point guard who seems to still be having trouble with his ankle. I guess he's got some time to heal between now and the Finals, but I can't see Bulls even making it there with the way they are currently playing. It's between the Celts and the Heat as for who comes out of the East, and honestly I think the Heat are the pick right now if I had to place a bet.

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 08:39 PM

I think people are sorely mistaken to think the Heat are more dangerous than the Celtics. If the Celtics reach the Finals, they are going to be firing on all cylinders and very tough to beat. They have a better coach than the Heat, and a better roster 3-8 than the Heat.

Oh, and not to mention that whole championship experience, Finals appearance last year, etc.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:40 PM

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Chicago? There's nothing very scary about them right now from what I can see. They had a great run in the regular season but Boozer has been non-existent in the playoffs, and their offense is built around an inefficient point guard who seems to still be having trouble with his ankle. I guess he's got some time to heal between now and the Finals, but I can't see Bulls even making it there with the way they are currently playing. It's between the Celts and the Heat as for who comes out of the East, and honestly I think the Heat are the pick right now if I had to place a bet.

I say Chicago simply because Derrick Rose is the kind of player the Mavs are completely incapable of guarding; a lightning-quick high-scoring PG.

Mav Addict · 05-09-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I think the Mavs could probably beat the Celtics, but I just don't want any part of the Heat. I'm rooting really hard for the Celtics to miraculously reach the finals again, because Chicago and Miami both worry me.

Despite our record against them in the regular season, I think we could beat Chicago...if our bench can stay hot as they are I also think we can beat Miami...again

GermanDunk · 05-09-2011, 08:46 PM

Wow. The Brons go 7-0 in OT.

Thespiralgoeson · 05-09-2011, 08:47 PM

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I think people are sorely mistaken to think the Heat are more dangerous than the Celtics. If the Celtics reach the Finals, they are going to be firing on all cylinders and very tough to beat. They have a better coach than the Heat, and a better roster 3-8 than the Heat.

Oh, and not to mention that whole championship experience, Finals appearance last year, etc.

I really couldn't disagree more. Yeah, the Celts have a better coach and a better bench, but the Heat have two of the top five players in the game plus another all-star. The Celtics just don't have that kind of offensive firepower, nor do the Celts have anything resembling a low-post threat.

I just have trouble seeing the Mavs being able to contain both Lebron and Wade in a seven game series. One of them, sure. But both of them? It worries me.

Edit: BTW, I must say I don't think there's anything in sports more overrated and truly irrelevant than "championship experience." The better team wins, regardless of experience. I think the Spurs/Grizzlies and Mavs/Lakers series should have proved that much.

FINtastic · 05-09-2011, 08:47 PM

Hahaha, I just saw this but were there Celtics fans in the seats wearing shirts with Kobe's face on them? They looked like the Obama presidential campaign posters so I'm guessing the bottom said Nope.

Mav Addict · 05-09-2011, 08:51 PM

A. Rondo is one tough SOB

B. As much as I hate Dwade, I would have suppressed those feeling if he signed with the Mavs

C. Peja is our Ray Allen

D. I think the Mavs would defeat the Celts in 5

LonghornDub · 05-09-2011, 09:10 PM

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I really couldn't disagree more. Yeah, the Celts have a better coach and a better bench, but the Heat have two of the top five players in the game plus another all-star. The Celtics just don't have that kind of offensive firepower, nor do the Celts have anything resembling a low-post threat.

I just have trouble seeing the Mavs being able to contain both Lebron and Wade in a seven game series. One of them, sure. But both of them? It worries me.

Edit: BTW, I must say I don't think there's anything in sports more overrated and truly irrelevant than "championship experience." The better team wins, regardless of experience. I think the Spurs/Grizzlies and Mavs/Lakers series should have proved that much.

You couldn't disagree more? Of all the things on the earth we could possibly disagree about, this is #1 on the list in terms of magnitude? Strong punch there, but somehow I doubt that.

Your point about Mavs-Lakers and Spurs-Grizzlies completely misses the mark. I didn't say championship experience is determinative of all playoff series. I didn't even say it's the most important factor. Surely not. But in the pressure of the Finals, the biggest stage, if you think it's not a huge boost to have been there before as a team, you are absolutely kidding yourself. Of course it matters. The "better team wins"---yeah, and part of being the better team is having team experience. Do you think it's just some mathematical equation where you add up all the talent on each team, and that's the "better team"?

The Mavs don't need to contain both LeBron and Wade. You don't contain both of them. Hell, I'm not even sure you contain one of them. Limit them as much as possible and shut down the other guys. Are those two going to combine for 95 a game for a 7-game series?

The first paragraph of your post is pretty misguided, too. The Celtics have four all-stars. They have a fantastic point guard (assuming he's healthy, which if they make the Finals, I'd assume he would be). You just said you didn't want to deal with Rose because we can't guard PG's, but you'd want to deal with Rondo and three other All-stars? Rose is better than Rondo, but KG, Allen, and Pierce are sure as hell better than...Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah.

And your statement about "offensive firepower" seems to beg the question. Part of the debate is whether having the best two players means you have the best team. The Heat have more offensive firepower at the top, but the Celtics' top four guys are better than anyone else on the Heat roster. The Celtics were the best FG% team in the entire league this year. No offensive firepower? Ok, then.

I absolutely agree the Heat have the two best players, and two of the top five in the league. But to act like that's everything....well, it's no different than the logic advanced to explain why the Mavs couldn't beat the Lakers in the playoffs.

Mav Addict · 05-09-2011, 09:24 PM

I don't care what happens.... I refuse to drink that Memphis koolaid

Underdog · 05-09-2011, 09:29 PM

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I don't care what happens.... I refuse to drink that Memphis koolaid

Memphis is built a lot like the Lakers - big guys, good defense, lots of transition, inside scoring...

They're probably the deepest team aside from us, but I'll take our playoff-tested veterans in a 7-game series... Memphis would be like a virgin hooking up with a porn star if they made it to the WCF.

Stylistic · 05-09-2011, 09:31 PM

OKC is just lazy on defense. They also take terrible quality shots. They are also soft.