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LSMF · 05-30-2008, 01:09 PM

I didn't want to start a thread about this but Tim Mcmahon is really getting on my nerves wit these useless articles. Can you just imagine what would have happened if Avery tried to coach Kobe. LOL. Kobe would own Avery lol

Mavs should have pulled trigger on Dirk-Kobe trade
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It's easy to say told-ya-so after Kobe carried the Lakers to the West title, putting LA on his back during crunch time of the clincher over the Spurs. So I will.

Kobe was on my list of six dudes I'd trade straight up for Dirk, which was crafted when folks were trying to run the big German out of town after the BPUIMPSH vs. Golden State. (Dwyane Wade has since been scratched from the list. I'm adding Chris Paul.)

This is a somewhat timely topic because Mark Cuban acknowledged that deal was discussed with the Lakers (briefly), just as he acknowledged that a Josh Howard-for-Pau Gasol deal was discussed but never offered.

"I wasn't going to trade Dirk straight up and they weren't going to do anything else," Cuban said at the end of his ESPN 103.3 FM interview Wednesday. "If something else would have presented itself, I would have done it."

Could Kobe have won a title with the Dirkless Mavs this season? Probably not, unless the Howard/Gasol deal wen

Caseman · 05-30-2008, 01:59 PM

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I didn't want to start a thread about this but Tim Mcmahon is really getting on my nerves wit these useless articles. Can you just imagine what would have happened if Avery tried to coach Kobe. LOL. Kobe would own Avery lol

Mavs should have pulled trigger on Dirk-Kobe trade
9:48 AM Fri, May 30, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Tim MacMahon E-mail News tips

AP

It's easy to say told-ya-so after Kobe carried the Lakers to the West title, putting LA on his back during crunch time of the clincher over the Spurs. So I will.

Kobe was on my list of six dudes I'd trade straight up for Dirk, which was crafted when folks were trying to run the big German out of town after the BPUIMPSH vs. Golden State. (Dwyane Wade has since been scratched from the list. I'm adding Chris Paul.)

This is a somewhat timely topic because Mark Cuban acknowledged that deal was discussed with the Lakers (briefly), just as he acknowledged that a Josh Howard-for-Pau Gasol deal was discussed but never offered.

"I wasn't going to trade Dirk straight up and they weren't going to do anything else," Cuban said at the end of his ESPN 103.3 FM interview Wednesday. "If something else would have presented itself, I would have done it."

Could Kobe have won a title with the Dirkless Mavs this season? Probably not, unless the Howard/Gasol deal wen

No thanks. I don't want that whiner here. He broke up the championship team earlier this millenium and almost did it last off-season (wanting to trade Bynum, wanting Kidd (which means no Fisher or Farmar), and ultimately wanted out himself). I don't care what people say or how good he is.

LSMF · 05-30-2008, 02:11 PM

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No thanks. I don't want that whiner here. He broke up the championship team earlier this millenium and almost did it last off-season (wanting to trade Bynum, wanting Kidd (which means no Fisher or Farmar), and ultimately wanted out himself). I don't care what people say or how good he is.

Good point Caseman, if they didn't get Pau in that "trade" that team might have probably gotten beat in the first round again and Kobe would have been crying again.

bgarrett · 05-30-2008, 02:45 PM

yeah, IF they even made the playoffs, they went on a nice streak after they got pau, and the west was a tight race. With no Bynum too.

Tokey41 · 05-30-2008, 05:29 PM

I think at the point in time when all these rumors began the Lakers would have settled for Howard and Harris for Kobe, but we were gun shy at the wrong time and eventually trigger happy after realizing our mistake. Even if it was Dirk for Kobe looking back now the team may have been better off: Harris/Kobe/Howard/Bass/Dampier seems more complete than what we were/are.

alby · 05-30-2008, 05:44 PM

edit.

Go Mavs

sike · 05-30-2008, 05:52 PM

edit.

Go Mavs

Caseman · 05-30-2008, 05:59 PM

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edit.

Go Mavs

That's true.

Tokey41 · 05-31-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Caseman

No thanks. I don't want that whiner here. He broke up the championship team earlier this millenium and almost did it last off-season (wanting to trade Bynum, wanting Kidd (which means no Fisher or Farmar), and ultimately wanted out himself). I don't care what people say or how good he is.

So when Kobe wants to revamp the team it's a horrible idea, but when we make a trade to appease Dirk from bitching it's a good one? Players shouldn't have any say in the matter, it's the reason they aren't calling the shots on the successful teams. Another example is Lebron, he wanted help and while his team got temporarily better they aren't going anywhere with that team... he doesn't know what the hell is good for him, demanding immediate changes is silly when there's nothing decent on the table.

And if Kobe didn't "force" Shaq out of town they wouldn't be where they are right now, think about that for a minute and get back to me a few years from now... we can count how many titles the Lakers accumulate and then judge how stupid of a move that was.

alby · 05-31-2008, 06:38 PM

so far, they are at 0.

sike · 05-31-2008, 06:41 PM

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so far, they are at 0.

you are a math wizard...

Caseman · 05-31-2008, 08:33 PM

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So when Kobe wants to revamp the team it's a horrible idea, but when we make a trade to appease Dirk from bitching it's a good one? Players shouldn't have any say in the matter, it's the reason they aren't calling the shots on the successful teams. Another example is Lebron, he wanted help and while his team got temporarily better they aren't going anywhere with that team... he doesn't know what the hell is good for him, demanding immediate changes is silly when there's nothing decent on the table.

And if Kobe didn't "force" Shaq out of town they wouldn't be where they are right now, think about that for a minute and get back to me a few years from now... we can count how many titles the Lakers accumulate and then judge how stupid of a move that was.

Um, Dirk didn't call out a player to get traded. Dirk didn't threaten to leave his franchise. Dirk never had personality clashes with the all-stars on his team. You can sugar-coat it as wanting a better team, but it's just whining. And when the league saw that poor Kobe Koberson was in distress, they went and bought him a new puppy, Gasol.

Tokey41 · 05-31-2008, 09:50 PM

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so far, they are at 0.

They would have to be pretty damn good to win a title in their first year before the season is even over, wouldn't you say? Like I said, we'll have to wait a few years... we know Shaq had maybe two good years left in him (and one title), we'll see how it plays out for L.A. I have a feeling they aren't mourning... in fact they are probably enjoying staying competitive for many more years to come while their division rival suffers that cap space crippling contract and the shell that was once Shaq.

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Um, Dirk didn't call out a player to get traded. Dirk didn't threaten to leave his franchise. Dirk never had personality clashes with the all-stars on his team. You can sugar-coat it as wanting a better team, but it's just whining. And when the league saw that poor Kobe Koberson was in distress, they went and bought him a new puppy, Gasol.

Believe me the personality differences between Dirk and Kobe are almost endless, but there are things that Kobe has that I sometimes wish Dirk had. Kobe called out his entire team and they responded incredibly well, why is this a bad thing? I wish someone on our roster had the balls to say that everyone else sucked... get a fire started in them, we seem to play our best when we have something to prove. Furthermore, Kobe isn't the only teammate who has had 'personality clashes' with Shaq. We don't know what went on between them, and it doesn't really matter.

Wanting a better team and whining are often the same thing in this league, Kobe's definitely not the only star that complains. The hate for Kobe on this board and many others is ridiculous. Are we just jealous and a bit resentful because he could have been ours?

dude1394 · 05-31-2008, 09:52 PM

Main thing I think kobe(and duncan) has that dirk doesn't is jackzen and pops. He's had crap.

alby · 05-31-2008, 10:13 PM

Yeah, and imagine if Dirk had Manu/Parker/Pop or Gasol/Odumb/Phil... oh and gets every call in the book