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Thomas86 · 05-03-2011, 09:54 AM

Did Marion shut down Artest?...Artest wasn't a beast last night at all.

Underdog · 05-03-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Carlisle seemed to press all the right buttons tonight. I'm still not sure why some around here consider it to be treasonous to call out Rick for his sometimes odd lineup choices and/or rotations or lack thereof. This is, after all, a forum wherein opinions are freely exchanged and expressed. Disagreement is part of the fun. Or we could go against the average "Carlisle is beyond reproach" Mavs optimist and agree with those who were screaming for more Corey Brewer 2 months ago?

I never said people couldn't freely exchange opinions about Carlisle - where did you get that idea?

And NOBODY around here has ever claimed that Carlisle is "beyond reproach" - this forum almost never gives the guy credit when credit is due. Hell, there are several posters on this board whose favorite past time is calling for Carlisle's head whenever we lose a game, or at least bitching about his rotations when we do win.

Well screw them - last night Rick Carlisle out-coached the best coach in the NBA. I'm not saying he's a better coach than Jackson, but he was last night...

Underdog · 05-03-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

This is a moving screen anyway. You can't sit there and rotate your body around to block a defender, even when you have the ball.

In any case, I can't believe Kobe didn't get that call, even if he did trip over his own two feet.

The refs actually let the players play a lot last night.

There were a few no-calls, but bad calls and phantom fouls were minimal...

j0Shi · 05-03-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The refs actually let the players play a lot last night.

There were a few no-calls, but bad calls and phantom fouls were minimal...

Including this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQqnKY6yhY

Dunno why I haven't noticed it initially, but Bynum takes two steps into Kidd and that frees up Kobe for the last shot. Wow ...

Fragism · 05-03-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Did Marion shut down Artest?...Artest wasn't a beast last night at all.

Artest sucks.

Kirobaito · 05-03-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Including this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQqnKY6yhY

Dunno why I haven't noticed it initially, but Bynum takes two steps into Kidd and that frees up Kobe for the last shot. Wow ...

Good god almighty.

kg_veteran · 05-03-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirobaito

Good god almighty.

I noticed the same thing as I watched the highlights this morning. That's a Timmy Duncan special right there!

dirno2000 · 05-03-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Agree with part 1. Kobe is fine, health wise. He just had the jumper going. He (hopefully) won't shoot like that in game 2, but he'll probably get to the rim more.

Disagree partly with part 2. DeShawn's defense was atrocious tonight. He just looked incredibly slow. Brewer didn't play great D either, but he's much more active on defense and offense. He needs to start over DeShawn. DeShawn isn't bringing lockdown D, and he hurts us on offense a lot.

DeShawn was bad on both ends of the floor last night. When I say he's a better on ball defender I'm basing it on what I've seen all year. Brewer has more potential but he tends to be too frenetic and react to every ball fake, head fake or jab step. Veteran players will use that to keep him in foul trouble. Stevenson is a bit more disciplined.

That being said I don’t have a problem starting Brewer. It’s not like we’re getting off to great starts so there’s not much to lose. That position has been a revolving door all year anyway.

JeffViggiano · 05-03-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

lol am I still a fool?

it's only the first game man

i don't like carlisle but i admit that he coached very well.no doubt.

Axilla · 05-03-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Including this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQqnKY6yhY

Dunno why I haven't noticed it initially, but Bynum takes two steps into Kidd and that frees up Kobe for the last shot. Wow ...

all of a sudden that win means nothing... i'm pissed!

but seriously thats blatant

sike · 05-03-2011, 11:14 AM

This needs to be seen by everyone...again and again.

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQqnKY6yhY

Dunno why I haven't noticed it initially, but Bynum takes two steps into Kidd and that frees up Kobe for the last shot. Wow ...

mavs777 · 05-03-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kante

Surprised to saw Haywood with 0 rebounds, still played well.

Marion needs to come around and make more shots next game and start Brewer or Stevenson, hmm... Brewer gives you more on Offense though!

If Marion plays defense like he did in game 1 his offense isn't necessarily

mavs777 · 05-03-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Kidd defended Bryant great but this is really just an option for some important minutes. Kidd doesnt have the legs to hunt Bryant two, free, four quarter.

I expect the Lakers to take the ball really into the paint next game. Much more shots for Gasol and Bynum. They know they have to exploit this.

Best case would be of course Kobe in a hero chucker game, taking all his teammates out of the game.

As others have said the real reason for closing out Kidd on Kobe is so you don't have Terry or Kidd on Artest.

j0Shi · 05-03-2011, 12:12 PM

http://refcalls.com/2011/05/03/maver...ne-either-way/

View on controversal calls/non-calls

jthig32 · 05-03-2011, 12:25 PM

Man, sometimes Slam just gives the best recaps. The point in here about the defense is not really accurate, but overall I enjoyed this thoroughly.

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There are some people in the press conference room who want some answers. They’re wondering when the Mavericks got good at defense. Tyson Chandler has totally transformed them, they’re saying, like they just saw a shooting star and were telling a small child.

Fine, Dirk Nowitzki’s over here just trudging toward a championship all by his damn self. Trudge, trudge, trudge. Free throw, free throw, free throw. Boring.

This defense has been good for years. That’s not the problem. The problem is—and say it with me—Dirk Nowitzki has no help.

But, oh, it doesn’t even matter anymore. Dirk Nowitzki might win a championship this year anyway. He and the Dallas Mavericks, but mostly he, defeated the Lakers in Game 1 in Los Angeles, 96-94.

It is a grueling exercise to say how he did it, so we’ll do this: You know those shots Zach Randolph has been hitting lately, the high-arching floaters that go in regardless of coverage? They’re like works of art, really, and they go in all the time, especially the important times, especially when they’re not supposed to.

Well, it’s that shot exactly. Over and over again. About eight of Dirk’s 11 buckets tonight were that exact shot. He’s been doing that for about 10 years now, he just wasn’t awful three years ago and didn’t provide a contrast.

So sorry. This Mavericks team is not sexy. It is just up 1-0 in a series against the favorites in the West.

Oh, those favorites in the West. Everybody but Kobe was asleep. Kobe was electric, as usual. He had their first seven points. He got so hot he was chucking heat checks and some of them were going in. It invigorated no one.

When they needed answers not named Kobe in the last three minutes, when the Mavericks were able to move every defender on to Kobe until one worked (it was Jason Kidd), no one was awake.

“We went in the locker room and felt like we gave the game away,” said Phil Jackson. “Not sure we felt like Dallas outplayed us.”

Then Phil Jackson said something a little more prescient. He realized he wasn’t giving any specific strategic reason why the Lakers lost in the press conference. He was getting anxious.

So he said this: “Here, guys, I’ll give you guys some help. The game was won in the third quarter when we stopped playing defense and stopped playing offense, basically.”

Boy, did that ever sound like code for, “This team is asleep and I don’t know if I can wake them up in time.”

The Lakers are the better team. Everybody knows it. Kobe knows it.

“We don’t do it purposefully,” he said, about getting into these holes. “I assure you.”

This might sound a little stupid, but the visitor’s locker room after the game was the most optimistic 60×30 space I’ve been around in a long time.

The Mavericks were down 16, by the way, in the third quarter. This is supposedly the emotionally fragile team, the sad loose cannon, the guy who gets drunk and talks about kicking his ex-girlfriend’s boyfriend’s ass, but winds up getting drunker and monopolizing your night with their crying. They collapse.

Well, that phase is apparently over.

If the Lakers don’t wake up by Wednesday, this might be the year Dirk Nowitzki wins an NBA Championship all by himself. We’ll have to deal with the consequences of what that means later.

He just came into the press conference room and snatched the mic, holding it in his hand to answer questions. He’s like Nas up here. Everyone’s very impressed. Yeah, pay attention to that. Write your stories about that and this brand new Dallas defense.

This guy’s been a monster for a decade. — Ben Collins

Lestat_1795 · 05-03-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Man, sometimes Slam just gives the best recaps. The point in here about the defense is not really accurate, but overall I enjoyed this thoroughly.

brilliant

and "This guy’s been a monster for a decade" is sig material

LonghornDub · 05-03-2011, 12:43 PM

To quote the great Dr. Perry Cox: "This moment is so great, I want to have sex with it."

ShaggyDirk · 05-03-2011, 12:53 PM

IMO Carlisle has been saving Brewer for the Lakers. That is the only thing that makes sense. I think he has more up his sleeve than we give him credit for.

Lestat_1795 · 05-03-2011, 12:55 PM

And he is saving Butler for the Heat.

WayOutWest · 05-03-2011, 01:07 PM

Been a while since I've visited this place. Just wanted to say congrats. Didn't watch the whole game, missed the Lakers being up by 16 but I did catch the last 3 minutes. I knew after Dirk put the Mavs up by 2 that Kobe would go for the high-degree-of-difficulty-hero-shot to win the game when the Lakers should have gone for th tie and OT at home. I could not believe that Jackson put Bynum on Kidd and Gasol on Dirk for that last possesion. Solid late game defense by the Mavs really put the Lakers in poor position to execute. Still believe the Lakers will prevail but I wouldn't bet the house on it. Good luck.

Murphy3 · 05-03-2011, 01:27 PM

Hey, good to see you Way Out West. I was curious as whether or not you would show uponce this series was set in stone.

SMC0007 · 05-03-2011, 01:40 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see Brewer start as a Mav adjustment. As a Laker adjustment, Artest will guarding Dirk a bit and Odumb should definitely be playing more minutes.

Rhylan · 05-03-2011, 01:59 PM

Is that the same Ben Collins that wrote kids' articles for the Mavs' website about 10 years ago? He was 12 or so at the time, I think.

Flacolaco · 05-03-2011, 02:15 PM

That Ben Collins needs to tap the breaks. Holy hell.

fluid.forty.one · 05-03-2011, 02:29 PM

Still the best bday present I've gotten today. I'm just basking in it.

DULLAH · 05-03-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

mavs wouldnt of won if it wasnt for brewers spark.. one of the best coaching moves carlisle has made all season long

He hit a three, but his defense on Bryant was alot like Batum's defense on Dirk. Both Kobe and Dirk feel unstoppable against them.

I like Marion on Kobe the most of any matchup we have on him. As far as things Carlisle did, I liked his late 3rd and fourth quarter play calling ALOT> He seemed to really be in a groove keeping the lakers defense off balance, getting alot of good offensive situations for all our players.

41creepingdeath · 05-03-2011, 02:58 PM

Still can't believe we won this one...

And omfg, is this CadBane guy 12 years old? He negrepped me and called me a dumbass for this post:

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He's 4-9 after starting out 4-5. That's not enough against the defending champions.

fluid.forty.one · 05-03-2011, 03:10 PM

Dirk can do no wrong in his eyes. I wish I could say you get used to it, but it's a beating.

Axilla · 05-03-2011, 03:21 PM

That SLAM article misquoted Phil also..

phil used a double-negative and said "i don't think the mavs DIDN'T outplay us"

slightly muttered, but i feel like all the mavs fans heard him clearly LOL

BGMaverick9 · 05-03-2011, 03:22 PM

This was the first win for the Mavs during this run where Dirk shot less than 10 free throws in a game.

41creepingdeath · 05-03-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Dirk can do no wrong in his eyes. I wish I could say you get used to it, but it's a beating.

Oh, I see. Whatever floats his boat.

WayOutWest · 05-03-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Hey, good to see you Way Out West. I was curious as whether or not you would show uponce this series was set in stone.

I've become a very casual fan. I have not watched an entire Lakers game all year. I watched the fist half of game 1 Lakers/Mavs but I got side tracked and didn't get back to the game until 3 mins left in the 4th quarter. Hmmmmm.... seems like I've become a true Lakers fan...lol.

It was a surprising fact that that the Lakers/Mavs haven't met in the playoffs since 88. I remember that series, both teams held home court and the Lakers didn't really get fired up until Big Smooth Perkins took out Byron Scott. Looking forward to a great series, hope it stays injury and controversy free.

mac222b · 05-03-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I never said people couldn't freely exchange opinions about Carlisle - where did you get that idea?

And NOBODY around here has ever claimed that Carlisle is "beyond reproach" - this forum almost never gives the guy credit when credit is due. Hell, there are several posters on this board whose favorite past time is calling for Carlisle's head whenever we lose a game, or at least bitching about his rotations when we do win.

Well screw them - last night Rick Carlisle out-coached the best coach in the NBA. I'm not saying he's a better coach than Jackson, but he was last night...

Carlisle was great last night. Great. Sorry if my post was slightly snarky, it wasn't necessarily directed at you.

murry43 · 05-03-2011, 03:46 PM

Chandler is going to have to play harder if the Mavs are going to round 3. Kidd assisting Kobe to the ground was PRICELESS! The bench was great. Way to hang in there!!! The Lakers will beat themselves!! MFFL DFFL

Axilla · 05-03-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

This was the first win for the Mavs during this run where Dirk shot less than 10 free throws in a game.

Its not because Dirk wasn't aggressive or because he wasn't fouled, though.

The refs simply let them play. Portland had over 20 team fouls four times--the greatest being 26. LA only committed 17 and the game really seemed to have a different flow without all the stoppage.

CadBane · 05-03-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 41creepingdeath

Oh, I see. Whatever floats his boat.

Do you enjoy talking to yourself?

dude1394 · 05-03-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Including this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQqnKY6yhY

Dunno why I haven't noticed it initially, but Bynum takes two steps into Kidd and that frees up Kobe for the last shot. Wow ...

So a tremendously blatant moving pick is missed, jkiddo not only had to cover kobe but he had to do it while going over a violation. NBA refs are really bad sometimes. This would be a case where a challenge flag would have been needed. If Kobe hits that shot the lakers win by cheating and the Mavs would now be soft.

mavs777 · 05-03-2011, 04:06 PM

blackistone is an idiot

Kidd Karma · 05-03-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So a tremendously blatant moving pick is missed, jkiddo not only had to cover kobe but he had to do it while going over a violation. NBA refs are really bad sometimes. This would be a case where a challenge flag would have been needed. If Kobe hits that shot the lakers win by cheating and the Mavs would now be soft.

I guess the league allows these guys to play out the early ones then take control later in the series when they would like to extend out series as long as possible...as Donaghy has said in the past.

PartywithDirk · 05-03-2011, 04:41 PM

What a great freakin' game that was!

Is it me, or does anybody else want to puke when they hear Kobe say....oh, we're concerned, this team could beat us!!

Sounds so phoney...eh maybe it's just me.