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Zeus · 07-17-2021, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

So what? Anyone being honest, paying attention now, knows what tap2390 is true. Fuck what people think in a decade or two.

People to this day hold it against Malone, Stockton, Barkley et al for not winning a ring yet talk glowingly about Garnett winning a ring when he clearly chased. All ya all fucking insane.

rimrocker · 07-17-2021, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Maybe. Maybe not. I might be confusing teams but didn’t the Cavs beat them WITH KD.?

I think that was the year before KD arrived.

rimrocker · 07-17-2021, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

People to this day hold it against Malone, Stockton, Barkley et al for not winning a ring yet talk glowingly about Garnett winning a ring when he clearly chased. All ya all fucking insane.

I thought KG was traded to Boston.
Think Ainge chased him.

JustJay · 07-17-2021, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I thought KG was traded to Boston.
Think Ainge chased him.

He was, but he demanded a trade. Basically did the same thing AD did then won a ring.

No one mentions AD really even though he was the most recent one to demand a trade and win one. Maybe he isn't looked at as the same category as Garnett/KD?

But I'm not sure why it's worse to let your contractual obligations conclude with a team then leave to another team all be it ringchase vs. still be under contract and put pressure on the team to trade you to a contender before you fulfilled your obligation to them.

BPo001 · 07-17-2021, 10:49 PM

I still think KD’s ring chase was even shittier than the rest though. Joining a team that had already been to the finals 2 years in a row and won 1. A team with the best regular season record in history. A team you were up 2-0 on in the previous year. Then you go join them?

As already stated Garnett was traded to Boston, so I don’t know that I’d count him as a ring chaser. I understand players can’t win by themselves. Personally I like watching the league being more competitive rather than teams with 2 top 10 players join forces. That said if Dame finds his way to Dallas I won’t be mad about it.

BPo001 · 07-17-2021, 10:49 PM

I still think KD’s ring chase was even shittier than the rest though. Joining a team that had already been to the finals 2 years in a row and won 1. A team with the best regular season record in history. A team you were up 2-0 on in the previous year. Then you go join them?

As already stated Garnett was traded to Boston, so I don’t know that I’d count him as a ring chaser. I understand players can’t win by themselves. Personally I like watching the league being more competitive rather than teams with 2 top 10 players join forces. That said if Dame finds his way to Dallas I won’t be mad about it.

JustJay · 07-17-2021, 10:51 PM

Seems the majority have the same mentality.

If you're under contract and DEMAND your team trade you to a contender. You did nothing wrong and you didn't ring chase. You just have passion and you want to win here's a pat on the back.

But if you're out of contract and go to a contender, you're a ringchasing b*tch.

Someone will have to explain that one to me, because I don't get it. I would think the refusal to uphold your obligation of your contract that YOU agreed to, is a little worse and both are clearly ringchasing. Guess I'm in the minority.

JustJay · 07-17-2021, 10:51 PM

Seems the majority have the same mentality.

If you're under contract and DEMAND your team trade you to a contender. You did nothing wrong and you didn't ring chase. You just have passion and you want to win here's a pat on the back.

But if you're out of contract and go to a contender, you're a ringchasing b*tch.

Someone will have to explain that one to me, because I don't get it. I would think the refusal to uphold your obligation of your contract that YOU agreed to, is a little worse and both are clearly ringchasing. Guess I'm in the minority.

BPo001 · 07-17-2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

Seems the majority have the same mentality.

If you're under contract and DEMAND your team trade you to a contender. You did nothing wrong and you didn't ring chase. You just have passion and you want to win here's a pat on the back.

But if you're out of contract and go to a contender, you're a ringchasing b*tch.

Someone will have to explain that one to me, because I don't get it. I would think the refusal to uphold your obligation of your contract that YOU agreed to, is a little worse and both are clearly ringchasing. Guess I'm in the minority.

Lakers weren’t a contender without AD. That’s obvious because the missed the playoffs the previous year.

KD joined a team that just made back-to-back finals appearances and won one. It doesn’t help that KD is considered a top 3 player in the league, and maybe the best player depending who you ask.

Zeus · 07-17-2021, 11:14 PM

This whole ring chasing discussion is literally retarded. You are somehow more noble if you just happen to get drafted by a team that goes onto accumulate a lot of talent but if you go to a team that has talent already you are a bad person?? Let's move on to something interesting.

Dtownsfinest · 07-18-2021, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

This whole ring chasing discussion is literally retarded. You are somehow more noble if you just happen to get drafted by a team that goes onto accumulate a lot of talent but if you go to a team that has talent already you are a bad person?? Let's move on to something interesting.

That's the thing.....so because Durant plays with Kyrie and Harden...he's not ring chasing because he got there before Harden........

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-18-2021, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

This whole ring chasing discussion is literally retarded. You are somehow more noble if you just happen to get drafted by a team that goes onto accumulate a lot of talent but if you go to a team that has talent already you are a bad person?? Let's move on to something interesting.

Not only that, but it completely undermines free agency.

It's not like Durant forced a trade to OKC. He was a fricken' free agent. Are players not allowed to go where they want? The guy wasn't going to make a lateral move from OKC either. Getting away from Westbrick was the best decision he ever made.

Why are we talking about this again? lol.

JustJay · 07-18-2021, 08:46 AM

Players get all the blame but organizations deserve some too. If you have a superstar and are unable to build a contender around them is that the player's fault? There's still time but the Mavs might be in the same situation as Dame one day with Luka and if they fail to put the talent around him to at least contend for a championship they deserve it.

Dirk is an example of being loyal and it worked out but it could have gone the other way. When we won the championship no one thought we were even contenders and we were not favored against at least the Lakers and Heat can't remember if we were in the other team series. Dirk doesn't win suddenly he's in the best player ever to not win a ring discussion which is a bad discussion to be involved in.

Unicorn · 07-18-2021, 09:06 AM

https://youtu.be/vKzt5gHcrgk KP interview for Latvian TV. KP said for him is more important to win a chip than to be an nr1 gay on the team. there were no questions about his relationship with Luka

JustJay · 07-18-2021, 09:59 AM

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https://youtu.be/vKzt5gHcrgk KP interview for Latvian TV. KP said for him is more important to win a chip than to be an nr1 gay on the team. there were no questions about his relationship with Luka

Lol I know that's a typo, but funny.

Dtownsfinest · 07-18-2021, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Not only that, but it completely undermines free agency.

It's not like Durant forced a trade to OKC. He was a fricken' free agent. Are players not allowed to go where they want? The guy wasn't going to make a lateral move from OKC either. Getting away from Westbrick was the best decision he ever made.

Why are we talking about this again? lol.

It happens every time Durant's gets mentioned....I don't care bout his accolades or how he got them....at the end of the day I Watch him play and I've never seen anyone like him...I'm trying to think of what weaknesses does he actually have...I can't think of any.

FreshJive · 07-18-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Maybe. Maybe not. I might be confusing teams but didn’t the Cavs beat them WITH KD.?

They did not.

FreshJive · 07-18-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

This whole ring chasing discussion is literally retarded. You are somehow more noble if you just happen to get drafted by a team that goes onto accumulate a lot of talent but if you go to a team that has talent already you are a bad person?? Let's move on to something interesting.

I never said anything about nobility or KD being a good/bad person. Just that when a top 3 or so player goes to a team that was as dominant as the Warriors were at the time, and win a championship, it’s a bit of a yawn.

I don’t consider AD forcing a trade to LA, or even the Heatles as remotely similar.

SMC0007 · 07-18-2021, 01:44 PM

The horse has been beaten.

Any wild predictions or Mavs news?

SMC0007 · 07-18-2021, 01:44 PM

The horse has been beaten.

Any wild predictions or Mavs news?

JustJay · 07-18-2021, 02:02 PM

We're going to sign Kawhi Leonard.

It's a wild prediction, not that I believe it.

JustJay · 07-18-2021, 02:02 PM

We're going to sign Kawhi Leonard.

It's a wild prediction, not that I believe it.

FreshJive · 07-19-2021, 12:02 AM

I predict that every time the Mavs win it will be because he’s better than Rick, and every time the Mavs lose it will be because Mosley would have been better than Kidd. The reason given why Kidd is better than Rick or worse than Mosley will always be something untrue that can easily be looked up like, “the Magic do more or less of x,y and z than the Mavs do”, but the Magic won’t actually do more or less than the Mavs do of x,y, or z.

dirt_dobber · 07-19-2021, 07:59 AM

NBA Key dates for 2021-2022 season
July 23 to Aug. 8: Toyko Olympics*
July 29: 2021 NBA draft
Aug. 2: Free agency negotiations can begin at 5 p.m.
Aug. 3: Official start of 2021-22 league year; brief moratorium period begins on transactions
Aug. 6: Moratorium period ends at 11:01 a.m. Central, allowing free agents to be signed and trades to be executed
Aug. 8-17: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
Sept. 28: Training camps open
Oct. 19: Regular season begins

dirt_dobber · 07-19-2021, 07:59 AM

NBA Key dates for 2021-2022 season
July 23 to Aug. 8: Toyko Olympics*
July 29: 2021 NBA draft
Aug. 2: Free agency negotiations can begin at 5 p.m.
Aug. 3: Official start of 2021-22 league year; brief moratorium period begins on transactions
Aug. 6: Moratorium period ends at 11:01 a.m. Central, allowing free agents to be signed and trades to be executed
Aug. 8-17: NBA Summer League in Las Vegas
Sept. 28: Training camps open
Oct. 19: Regular season begins

Dtownsfinest · 07-19-2021, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

I predict that every time the Mavs win it will be because he’s better than Rick, and every time the Mavs lose it will be because Mosley would have been better than Kidd. The reason given why Kidd is better than Rick or worse than Mosley will always be something untrue that can easily be looked up like, “the Magic do more or less of x,y and z than the Mavs do”, but the Magic won’t actually do more or less than the Mavs do of x,y, or z.

Magic team is so bad talent wise....might be the worst in the league...if they win 20 games next year I'd consider that a plus but maybe they'd hate it because they want to have the best pick available. I don't even know who their best player is......I personally think RJ Hampton has the most potential there and hell maybe he is....but man. Sucks for Mosely he deserved a better situation than that.

JustJay · 07-19-2021, 10:39 AM

Only two weeks until Kawhi Leonard is a Ma.......Made man.

BPo001 · 07-19-2021, 11:41 AM

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Magic team is so bad talent wise....might be the worst in the league...if they win 20 games next year I'd consider that a plus but maybe they'd hate it because they want to have the best pick available. I don't even know who their best player is......I personally think RJ Hampton has the most potential there and hell maybe he is....but man. Sucks for Mosely he deserved a better situation than that.

Nobody forced him to accept the job. I’m sure he is up to the challenge to turn the team around. They have some good young pieces to build around.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-19-2021, 11:46 AM

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Nobody forced him to accept the job. I’m sure he is up to the challenge to turn the team around. They have some good young pieces to build around.

People just aren't understanding where Mosley is in his coaching career and what the Mavs need to be next season. I was perfectly fine with the risk, but I do understand why it was perhaps unwise to put him in a position where he NEEDS to be a contending coach today.

Dtownsfinest · 07-19-2021, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Nobody forced him to accept the job. I’m sure he is up to the challenge to turn the team around. They have some good young pieces to build around.

What good young pieces? I know of Hampton....maybe Mo Bamba? The best players on their team all play the 5 spot it seems lol.

And no, no one "forced" him to accept the job but its tough to get a NBA gig it seems. If you're not a coaching retread like Stan Van Gundy, or a NBA champion like Carlisle or a ex-NBA All star, or a son of a ex-coach? Seems like not many of those guys got hired this offseason. This is probably the best gig he can get at this point.

Dtownsfinest · 07-19-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

People just aren't understanding where Mosley is in his coaching career and what the Mavs need to be next season. I was perfectly fine with the risk, but I do understand why it was perhaps unwise to put him in a position where he NEEDS to be a contending coach today.

I wasn't against it because I Don't think his is a contending team currently constructed. I mean look at Steve Nash.....he's doing absolutely nothing and he was in the playoffs.

BPo001 · 07-19-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

What good young pieces? I know of Hampton....maybe Mo Bamba? The best players on their team all play the 5 spot it seems lol.

And no, no one "forced" him to accept the job but its tough to get a NBA gig it seems. If you're not a coaching retread like Stan Van Gundy, or a NBA champion like Carlisle or a ex-NBA All star, or a son of a ex-coach? Seems like not many of those guys got hired this offseason. This is probably the best gig he can get at this point.

Fultz, Isaac, Hampton, Bamba, cole Anthony, Wendall Carter Jr

Jack.Kerr · 07-19-2021, 12:05 PM

I never understood what the Magic's thinking was last year when they divested of Vucevic, Gordon, and Fournier. It can takes years to get even that level of talent assembled, and they basically let them go in a garage sale.

Did that DeVos (sc)Amway money run low?

That said, if they are looking to further divest of an asset like Bamba, I'd dangle some combination of Cauley-Stein, Finney-Smith and/or Brunson, and see what happens. Maybe Moseley wants to work with some familiar faces.

Dtownsfinest · 07-19-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

I never understood what the Magic's thinking was last year when they divested of Vucevic, Gordon, and Fournier. It can takes years to get even that level of talent assembled, and they basically let them go in a garage sale.

Did that DeVos (sc)Amway money run low?

That said, if they are looking to further divest of an asset like Bamba, I'd dangle some combination of Cauley-Stein, Finney-Smith and/or Brunson, and see what happens. Maybe Moseley wants to work with some familiar faces.

Yeah I mean I guess they are trying to tank and rebuild...

The thing about the Magic though is they already have a lot of young players with potential. They have Jonathan Isaacs so no need for Finney Smith. They have Markelle Fultz and just drafted Cole Anthony. No need for Brunson.

Dtownsfinest · 07-19-2021, 12:32 PM

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Fultz, Isaac, Hampton, Bamba, cole Anthony, Wendall Carter Jr

I actually forgot all about Isaacs....to me they are simply guys with potential..I don't think none of those guys will be stars or even All stars....maybe Hampton. I just don't see high ceilings....

mac222b · 07-19-2021, 03:08 PM

Orlando has picks 5&8 too. They could come out of the draft with two future starters— something like Scottie Barnes and Davion Mitchell added to Bamba, WCJ, Isaac, Anthony and Hampton isn’t too bad. Probably be in top 3 next draft too. Hampton especially looks really good.

mac222b · 07-19-2021, 03:08 PM

Orlando has picks 5&8 too. They could come out of the draft with two future starters— something like Scottie Barnes and Davion Mitchell added to Bamba, WCJ, Isaac, Anthony and Hampton isn’t too bad. Probably be in top 3 next draft too. Hampton especially looks really good.

EricaLubarsky · 07-20-2021, 09:55 AM

Chad Ford: Donnie wanted Saddiq Bey. Bob overruled him and wanted Green.

Sounds like another Giannis move where Donnie was left looking foolish while we made the wrong move.

EricaLubarsky · 07-20-2021, 09:55 AM

Chad Ford: Donnie wanted Saddiq Bey. Bob overruled him and wanted Green.

Sounds like another Giannis move where Donnie was left looking foolish while we made the wrong move.

Dtownsfinest · 07-20-2021, 10:10 AM

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Chad Ford: Donnie wanted Saddiq Bey. Bob overruled him and wanted Green.

Sounds like another Giannis move where Donnie was left looking foolish while we made the wrong move.

And this is why I have a issue with scapegoating Donnie for everything....we have no idea what moves he was responsible for or if he had his hands tied behind his back......the jury is still out on whether Green or Bey will be the right pick but its the fact that Bey was more NBA ready than Green was that kinda frustrates me....Green is too risky of a pick for a team who doesn't even have many picks to begin with.