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FINtastic · 01-02-2011, 01:28 PM

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I'm still not nearly as concerned about a backup for dirk as I am a replacement for caron/sg..someone consistent to count on for scoring.

Dirk's backup will be shawn if they get that guy.. If not, it doesn't matter who his backup really is imo.

I'd rather not move Marion back to power forward if we don't have to. It's one thing if Caron is healthy, but I'd rather take this opportunity to leave Marion at small forward where he really belongs. With a healthy Roddy, I think the Mavericks have enough to make the 1 through 3 spots work. They just need to find a decent backup at power forward so that we aren't forced to give all the backup minutes to Brian Cardinal. Maybe that's Mahinmi? Maybe it's someone that we need to trade for? I don't quite know for sure, but I don't want to suddenly get desperate and make a panic trade.

rabbitproof · 01-02-2011, 01:35 PM

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I'd rather not move Marion back to power forward if we don't have to. It's one thing if Caron is healthy, but I'd rather take this opportunity to leave Marion at small forward where he really belongs. With a healthy Roddy, I think the Mavericks have enough to make the 1 through 3 spots work. They just need to find a decent backup at power forward so that we aren't forced to give all the backup minutes to Brian Cardinal. Maybe that's Mahinmi? Maybe it's someone that we need to trade for? I don't quite know for sure, but I don't want to suddenly get desperate and make a panic trade.

I think Marion can still play backup PF minutes and super sub at SF if we move Stevenson from SG to SF and up his workload from 15 minutes to 20 minutes (he has been averaging 20 over the last five anyways). DoJo/Roddy/JET should be enough firepower and skill to man the SG spot.

The lack of DoJo/Roddy/good JET is forcing us to play Stevenson at 2 and extend minutes to Cardinal at 4.

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

They just need to find a decent backup at power forward so that we aren't forced to give all the backup minutes to Brian Cardinal. Maybe that's Mahinmi? Maybe it's someone that we need to trade for? I don't quite know for sure, but I don't want to suddenly get desperate and make a panic trade.

They really don't see Ian as a 4, he's seen as a 5.

I'm more inclined to think if they go for a trade - it's for a wing and Marion sticks to doing what he's done all year: 50/50 split

FINtastic · 01-02-2011, 01:52 PM

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They really don't see Ian as a 4, he's seen as a 5.

I'm more inclined to think if they go for a trade - it's for a wing and Marion sticks to doing what he's done all year: 50/50 split

It's funny though, I've read all of his old scouting reports and it looks like he was considered a prospect at power forward. I think the Spurs considered him a PF/C too as it looks like he got some minutes at the power forward when he played for their NBDL affiliate. He also seemed to like catching the ball 10 feet or so from the basket, facing up, and driving on his man when I watched him play in summer league. I wonder why they don't think he's capable of playing backup minutes at the power forward spot. It would surely give a nice boost to our rebounding (which we could sorely use right now).

I also really wish we would take the opportunity to put Marion back into the role that he's best at - small forward. Why shoehorn him back into a role as backup power forward if you don't have to? You don't have to play Mahinmi as your backup four, I'm simply spitballing here. But if you don't think that guy is on your roster, maybe you make a trade for a guy who is a backup four that frees Marion to play all of his minutes at small forward again.

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 12:59 PM

My sources are telling me that it's dependent on Roddy. If he's able to get going by the end of February, then they'll hold the course - maybe a minor move. If not, they'll make a strong push for a wing player.

grndmstr_c · 01-02-2011, 02:16 PM

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My sources are telling me that it's dependent on Roddy. If he's able to get going by the end of February, then they'll hold the course - maybe a minor move. If not, they'll make a strong push for a wing player.

What does "get going" mean? Does that mean just getting on the court in a game? Or getting going on the court the way he did against the Spurs in the playoffs last year? The latter seems to make more sense as a litmus test for a trade.

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 02:21 PM

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What does "get going" mean? Does that mean just getting on the court in a game? Or getting going on the court the way he did against the Spurs in the playoffs last year? The latter seems to make more sense as a litmus test for a trade.

I think they see step 1 "get going" as a prelude to the latter. Getting him back on the court and playing with no setbacks, if that can happen sooner rather than later then they're confident he'll get back into that groove.

dude1394 · 01-02-2011, 01:05 PM

End of stinking FEBURARY!! Good grief......what has it been 6 months?

rabbitproof · 01-02-2011, 01:31 PM

I think we try to tap that Charlotte well again. We already pillaged them for Chandler and Ajinca and somehow they have Najera/Carroll/Diop haha.

Someone suggested Butler/JJB for Jackson/Livingston. I think that's a good basis for a deal. May have to include a first and cash so that's MJ can present it for more than just cap savings. On the contracts alone, Charlotte saves 19M with SJax and then another 3.5-7M off Livingston as both Butler/JJB are expirings.

Jackson can easily take up the 30 minutes Butler was averaging and is a nastier defender as well. Something would need to be done to reign in his shot selection and turnovers but otherwise, he is as good of a Robin candidate as anybody on this team.

Livingston can play JJB's role pretty well. He doesn't distribute or penetrate as well but is a more efficient scorer and better shooter. I think his length will be a boon to our zone as well.

EDIT: Rick coached SJ in Indy so Rick will be a good sanity check as well.

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 01:55 PM

I can see the logic for the Mavericks if they do something minor - either a PF or SF move but not a homerun deal.

Marion has finished his fair share of games at the SF position this year and it's been successful. They'll be assuming Roddy can fill in from a scoring perspective, roughly 16-17 a night.

Kante · 01-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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I can see the logic for the Mavericks if they do something minor - either a PF or SF move but not a homerun deal.

Marion has finished his fair share of games at the SF position this year and it's been successful. They'll be assuming Roddy can fill in from a scoring perspective, roughly 16-17 a night.

Agreed but the problem is that Roddy has been out so long and he will be rusty when/if he comes back!

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 02:05 PM

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Agreed but the problem is that Roddy has been out so long and he will be rusty when/if he comes back!

If they're not forcing Dirk and/or Marion back...that should tell you they're thinking macro and not micro. They'll take the speed-bumps along the way to get right when it's absolutely necessary.

Kante · 01-02-2011, 02:15 PM

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If they're not forcing Dirk and/or Marion back...that should tell you they're thinking macro and not micro. They'll take the speed-bumps along the way to get right when it's absolutely necessary.

If they do that it should be a good sign that they learned that the regular season record is not that important.

That´s why i wrote to give the Kidd the one or the other day off, but without Dirk, Marion., Butler and Roddy out you can´t do that.

FINtastic · 01-02-2011, 02:32 PM

I'm not sure if that timeline makes sense though. Isn't the trade deadline in the middle of February?

BGMaverick9 · 01-02-2011, 02:34 PM

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I'm not sure if that timeline makes sense though. Isn't the trade deadline in the middle of February?

It's the last week of February. Then that means the thought is he can go, he's 100% and setbacks shouldn't be an issue.

sefant77 · 01-02-2011, 02:36 PM

Yes, middle of february.

So basically we have like one month for Roddy to come back and the then a few games to "evaluate" him.

And we have like a month to decide if we trust Butler to be healthy (!) in the playoffs.

Dont like it..

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 02:59 PM

Stephen Jackson

clutch#41 · 01-02-2011, 03:44 PM

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Stephen Jackson

i think that would kill our team chemistry.

41mvp · 01-02-2011, 06:44 PM

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i think that would kill our team chemistry.

Why you think that?

sefant77 · 01-02-2011, 03:05 PM

Maybe also a solution (and kind of insurance). Send three million for a buyout and resign Stevenson.

http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5795339

grndmstr_c · 01-02-2011, 03:59 PM

All this talk about SJax is depressing me. I find it much more comfortable to hope for a strong return from Booby and a minor move to shore up the forward depth.

I wonder what the chances are that Peja eventually gets bought out (and gets healthy). Either by the Raps or whichever team they manage to trade him to.

rabbitproof · 01-02-2011, 04:01 PM

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All this talk about SJax is depressing me. I find it much more comfortable to hope for a strong return from Booby and a minor move to shore up the forward depth.

I wonder what the chances are that Peja eventually gets bought out (and gets healthy). Either by the Raps or whichever team they manage to trade him to.

We could hope for Gerald Wallace... but I think that would require the surrender of possibly two firsts.

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 04:05 PM

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We could hope for Gerald Wallace... but I think that would require the surrender of possibly two firsts.

I would prefer Jackson on the cheap, Geralds a great player when healthy, problem is 1 or 2 more concussions and he will be forced to give it up

Dirkadirkastan · 01-02-2011, 04:33 PM

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problem is 1 or 2 more concessions and he will be forced to give it up

Isn't that what concession means?

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 04:56 PM

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Isn't that what concession means?

concussion you know what I meant

sefant77 · 01-02-2011, 04:46 PM

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All this talk about SJax is depressing me. I find it much more comfortable to hope for a strong return from Booby and a minor move to shore up the forward depth.

I think its more depressing to put all hope to full recovery of two heavily injured player within the next two months.

Ah and names like Peja and Joe Alexander (biggest draft bust of the past years) are depressing.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2011, 05:40 PM

I'm happy moving threevenson to the 3 so I'd be happy with either a 2 or 3. Wallace would be a coup but he's basically a Marion upgrade.

Sjax is a waste but could pick it up here with dirk

I'd def take iggy or Martin over everything else

mac222b · 01-02-2011, 06:57 PM

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I'm happy moving threevenson to the 3 so I'd be happy with either a 2 or 3. Wallace would be a coup but he's basically a Marion upgrade.

Sjax is a waste but could pick it up here with dirk

I'd def take iggy or Martin over everything else

S-Jax does take a TON of terrible shots but he is versatile and intense. and can post up smaller players and pass well out of the double if it comes. if he comes cheap (Butler, a pick, filler) we should probably jump on that.

i think Martin, G.Wallace and even Iggy are all preferable to S-Jax but will cost more. it would be counter productive to give up Roddy and/or multiple 1sts. and i think thats the only way you're getting any of those 3. unless you get a 3rd team involved to add young cheap talent for expirings(guys like Anthony Randolph)and that gets tricky.

another issue is none of the guys above are exactly the picture of health. Iggy's out the next 5 games or so.

MavsFTR · 01-02-2011, 07:02 PM

I'm gonna miss Tuff Juice.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2011, 07:27 PM

I feel like roddy is a way overrated piece. Potential is cheap and we've had a Lot of success without him. It's about right now for us. In 3-6 years we'll be a rebuilding team.

I don't wanna nix our amazing chemistry so I wouldn't touch Marion, Kidd, dirk, Chandler or even Stevenson. Jjb, Haywood, butler (as an expiring possible insurance policy guy), roddy...everyone but our core should be available

We just need a vet that can fit in and be ready with the team by the playoffs.

rabbitproof · 01-02-2011, 08:13 PM

How about Tawn?

He fills out the forward rotation, is okay starting or off the bench, generates his own offense and could be had for Butler+Ajinca salary-wise. Cleveland gets a young big prospect and also saves 15M next year.

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 09:28 PM

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How about Tawn?

He fills out the forward rotation, is okay starting or off the bench, generates his own offense and could be had for Butler+Ajinca salary-wise. Cleveland gets a young big prospect and also saves 15M next year.

Unless he is quick enough to play the 3 it really is no with his contract

rabbitproof · 01-02-2011, 09:32 PM

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Unless he is quick enough to play the 3 it really is no with his contract

He's been playing most of his minutes at the 3 this year. He and Marion could basically split all the three minutes and backup four minutes to 30 each.

I'd love to see Marion and Jamison play together. Must be the goofiest shot sequences ever.

grndmstr_c · 01-02-2011, 09:41 PM

AJ would be a very nice pick up as the primary backup at both forward spots. But I do tend to think the monetary cost would be seen as prohibitive.

mavs777 · 01-02-2011, 09:49 PM

I am not sure he can handle the 3 defensivley who knows

LSMF · 01-02-2011, 09:54 PM

Is there a possibility that we don't trade Caron and just wait for him to get healthy? All of these names being thrown out don't really impress me tbh, if it's only a two month injury (Hopefully) I think we'd make it without Butler. I really like what Butler brings to this team, and he was just starting to take over that "Robin" role. I think if this isn't a season-ending injury we should be patient. I know I'm probably in the minority on this one, but it's something to think about.

EricaLubarsky · 01-02-2011, 10:12 PM

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Is there a possibility that we don't trade Caron and just wait for him to get healthy? All of these names being thrown out don't really impress me tbh, if it's only a two month injury (Hopefully) I think we'd make it without Butler. I really like what Butler brings to this team, and he was just starting to take over that "Robin" role. I think if this isn't a season-ending injury we should be patient. I know I'm probably in the minority on this one, but it's something to think about.

I think waiting on Caron is the most likely scenario at this point actually.