Offseason 2010 Thread

[Kante]

Johnson to accept offer from the Hawks, so he´s no longer our target or S&T? http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...gentbuzz063010

[Maringa]

Originally Posted by Kante

Johnson to accept offer from the Hawks, so he´s no longer our target or S&T? http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...gentbuzz063010

I think in the end, this free agency bonanza will be a general let down.

JJ signing in Atl, Byron Scott as coach in Cleveland...All major players will be staying put. Only major mover will be Bosh to Miami. There may be a few more second tier movers - Boozer, Jefferson, etc. but most of them will stay where they are because teams will be desperate and overpay to keep their services since most of the big ones are staying put.

This doesn't play well for the Mavs, since the DUST chip's value will only come from teams desperate to unload bad contracts.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Kante

Johnson to accept offer from the Hawks, so he´s no longer our target or S&T? http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...gentbuzz063010

Does it even say in the article you just posted that he did in fact accept the offer??

[Kante]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Does it even say in the article you just posted that he did in fact accept the offer??

and sources close to the All-Star guard expect him to accept the max deal soon.

That´s why i assumed he will do it.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Kante

and sources close to the All-Star guard expect him to accept the max deal soon.

That´s why i assumed he will do it.

hmm, I just don't believe these sources anymore. Even if he accepted a max deal, isn't it possible it is for a SnT?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

hmm, I just don't believe these sources anymore. Even if he accepted a max deal, isn't it possible it is for a SnT?

Well has ATL or JJ commented on this rumor? If not, to me he's still on the table. I don't see how he can accept a max deal without the consent of the 2nd team. I would think he would have to pick his destination for a SnT to kick in. ATL can't have an agreement with JJ on the max, then deal him to the Clippers once signings open.

[tcat075]

ESPN prediction panel

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eAgency-100630

Everyone predicts Dirk to stay in Dallas and Wade to stay in Miami. One writer predicts JJ to Dallas. Only one writer predicts James to stay in Cleveland. David Lee to Utah, in fact, is one prediction.

[jthig32]

Gooden is signing a 5/32mil deal with Milwaukee. Five years guaranteed for Drew Gooden strikes me as ridiculous. But at least he'll be playing PF, where he belongs.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Gooden is signing a 5/32mil deal with Milwaukee. Five years guaranteed for Drew Gooden strikes me as ridiculous. But at least he'll be playing PF, where he belongs.

It is, but hey...good for him. Haywood and his agent now have a reference point to use in negotiations.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Gooden is signing a 5/32mil deal with Milwaukee. Five years guaranteed for Drew Gooden strikes me as ridiculous. But at least he'll be playing PF, where he belongs.

Dangit. He was a guy I wanted to target with a large chunk of the MLE. Good for him, though. That's a nice situation starting next to Bogut that's a hell of a good contract for him.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Gooden is signing a 5/32mil deal with Milwaukee. Five years guaranteed for Drew Gooden strikes me as ridiculous. But at least he'll be playing PF, where he belongs.

This is team #10, if anyone is wondering.

He's a good player, hope he gets a chance to stick there. The deal might be a bit much, but Milwaukee had some cap room to spend. They were a Carlos Delfino cutting away from having enough to sign a max guy.

[tcat075]

So...when should we expect stuff to start happening? I'm not even talking about James signing, when are going to see Beasley dumped or other people like him to free up that extra room so players can be signed? Is everyone going to inquire everywhere in the next few days before decisions are made? I know there's no way to know for certain when stuff will happen, but give me your best rough estimate. Hours, days, weeks?

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by tcat075

So...when should we expect stuff to start happening? I'm not even talking about James signing, when are going to see Beasley dumped or other people like him to free up that extra room so players can be signed? Is everyone going to inquire everywhere in the next few days before decisions are made? I know there's no way to know for certain when stuff will happen, but give me your best rough estimate. Hours, days, weeks?

If the LeBron deadline of the 5th holds up, none of the big cap teams are going to make a move until they know they are out of the running for him. When the deadline passes or they know they are out of the running, the movement will start to pick up at a rapid pace.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If the LeBron deadline of the 5th holds up, none of the big cap teams are going to make a move until they know they are out of the running for him. When the deadline passes or they know they are out of the running, the movement will start to pick up at a rapid pace.

I must have missed this. He said he'll sign by/on July 5th?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tcat075

I must have missed this. He said he'll sign by/on July 5th?

No, it has been rumored that he would like to sign before his basketball camp starts which i think is on the 5th so he can focus on that.

[tcat075]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...p-room-summary

This is interesting, the actual cap room of each franchise. (this was published a couple days ago, I don't believe it has been posted but it could have, apoligies if it has. Still very intriguing.)

1. How many max players can each team afford?

We'll adopt a new unit of measure for this review -- the MC. Just as "grand" is common parlance for $1,000, an MC refers to a specific dollar amount. In fact, a very specific amount -- $16,568,908. This is the maximum salary to which LeBron James, Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade can be signed. One MC equals $16,568,908; two MCs equal $33,137,816. When we refer to a team having two MCs, it means it has enough cap room to sign two of the premier free agents to maximum salary contracts.

But this science is inexact -- for one, players have different maximum salaries. A player can sign for up to 105 percent of his previous salary, even if it's above the league-wide maximum. This is how the $16,568,908 value of the MC was derived -- James, Bosh and Wade each made $15,779,912 in 2009-10. But some players like Amare Stoudemire had higher salaries in 2009-10, so their 2010-11 maximum salary is also higher. Stoudemire's maximum salary is $17,197,241, so a franchise hoping to land the former Sun might need to clear extra cap room. Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce have a maximum of $20,785,500; Yao Ming's is $17,197,241.

Teams in the hunt for two maximum free agents are helped a little bit by the cap holds associated with empty roster spots. If a team has fewer than 12 roster spots accounted for by a player, an unsigned first-round draft pick or free-agent Bird rights, then it incurs a cap hold equivalent to the rookie minimum salary -- $473,604 -- for each spot fewer than 12. If a team has two MCs -- $33,137,816 -- then it actually has slightly more than enough to sign two maximum free agents. One cap hold is released when the team signs its first free agent, freeing $473,604 from its cap and giving it a little extra spending power.

With all that said, here are the players in this summer's free-agent hunt.

New York Knicks
Maximum cap room: 2.06 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents. The Knicks also have the ability to hang on to David Lee's Bird rights, which would leave them with about 1.5 MCs -- they can't sign two maximum free agents and keep Lee.

What can they do to get more? As expected, Eddy Curry invoked his contract option and his $11.3 million salary remains on the Knicks' books. There isn't much hope of getting to three MCs.

New Jersey Nets
Maximum cap room: 1.81 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? The Nets cleared additional cap space on Tuesday by sending Yi Jianlian to the Wizards for Quinton Ross. But their hopes of entering free agency with two max contracts were thwarted when Kris Humphries opted-in for 2010-11. Mikhail Prokhorov's team has to explore the trade market again if they want to land two maximum free agents -- and potentially upstage the neighboring Knicks.

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

Check this out. Despite reports, Heat can't get enough room to sign 3 max guys. Trading Beasley will allow two max guys and one pretty guy that's close to max, but not actually 3 max. Mainly, this is interesting because I've been hearing FROM EVERY SINGLE MEDIA SOURCE COVERING NBA FA THAT THEY CAN. Its annoying that you would report something like that when its incorrect.

Miami Heat
Maximum cap room: 1.67 MCs (with Wade re-signed); 2.64 MCs (if Wade leaves)

What needs to happen to get to this amount?: This may be counterintuitive, but the Heat gain more cap room if Wade becomes a free agent than if he invokes the option in his contract to stay with the team through 2010-11. Wade needs to become a free agent. The Heat already have declined the team option on Kenny Hasbrouck. They also released James Jones, whose $4.65 million salary was guaranteed for just $1.86 million -- clearing an additional $2.79 million from the team's books.

What can they do to get more? There's not much left to trim from their roster. To keep Wade and go after both James and Bosh, they'd need to convince at least one of the free agents to take less. Even moving Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers for nothing wouldn't create enough cap room to sign all three star free agents at the full maximum.

Los Angeles Clippers
Maximum cap room: 1.02 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Clippers did most of their work at the February trade deadline, and have just enough cap room to sign one maximum free agent (but not a player with a higher maximum such as Amare Stoudemire). But will players come?

What can they do to get more? It's no secret that the Clippers aren't enamored with Baron Davis' contributions over the last two seasons, and would welcome a reasonable deal to unload his expensive contract. But even dumping Davis for nothing wouldn't be enough to get the Clippers to two MCs.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Doesn't surprise me about Gooden. Milwauke is a small market team with little hope of luring free agents (unless it's a ridiculous contract like RJ). Gooden is still capable of being a double-double guy and has good size for the 4. Good for them and Drew.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Doesn't surprise me about Gooden. Milwauke is a small market team with little hope of luring free agents (unless it's a ridiculous contract like RJ). Gooden is still capable of being a double-double guy and has good size for the 4. Good for them and Drew.

Ditto, good for Drew, good long term deal.

[GermanFan]

" But before Dallas dabbles too far in the Big Al direction, Fish is telling me from across the DB.com Headquarters hall that he’s got Big Wood information upcoming …"

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by GermanFan

Fish is telling me from across the DB.com Headquarters hall that he’s got Big Wood" information upcoming.

That's what she said

[GermanFan]

Originally Posted by GermanFan

" But before Dallas dabbles too far in the Big Al direction, Fish is telling me from across the DB.com Headquarters hall that he’s got Big Wood information upcoming …"

Carlisle: Haywood meeting productive

While Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban was in Los Angeles shooting a cemeo role in "Entourage" and president Donnie Nelson waits on Dirk Nowitzki to meander back to Dallas, coach Rick Carlisle actually accomplished a face-to-face sit-down with center Brendan Haywood at the center's North Carolina home.

"There is a mutual interest," Carlisle said. "We are working toward getting something done."

Carlisle said he told Haywood he would be the team's starting center next season, even if Erick Dampier is on the team.

It looks like Haywood will have plenty of options. Miami, Cleveland, Toronto, New York and Detroit reportedly have interest in talking to Haywood.

[GermanFan]

they should type faster -- if there have news on wood --- search wait search

[Kidd Karma]

Haha, too bad Wood ain't as big as the Big 3.

[GermanFan]

Mavs' 'Productive' Meeting With Haywood: 'He's Our Guy'

More text on wood

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Glad the FO isn't messing around with the center position. Haywood is the rightfully safe choice as our starting center if he agrees to come back.

[LonghornDub]

Locking up Wood and Dirk would be a great way to start this signing period.

[jthig32]

Multiple reports that Memphis has offered Gay a big contract and he's accepting.

Also continuing to see reliable reports that Joe Johnson is all but off the market.

Some big money moving around right now.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Multiple reports that Memphis has offered Gay a big contract and he's accepting.

Also continuing to see reliable reports that Joe Johnson is all but off the market.

Some big money moving around right now.

Good to see Chris Wallace still doing a terrible job as always.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Multiple reports that Memphis has offered Gay a big contract and he's accepting.

Also continuing to see reliable reports that Joe Johnson is all but off the market.

Some big money moving around right now.

And it makes you wonder why Stern is complaining about the league losing 400 million this year. Yea, just blow another 120 million on your max deals.

[grndmstr_c]

Lots of movement in the market for wing players not in the top tier (JJ, Gay, Salmons). Just realized I haven't heard a peep about Pierce. Wonder what's going on with him?

[rabbitproof]

If Gooden is getting 5/32, I'm guessing Haywood should aim for 5/45ish or 4/40ish.

[rabbitproof]

Kind of makes sense.. they stand to make the most money at home and don't have endorsements, etc, to cover as Wade and Bron can.

It's early but a little ominous, the way the market is shaping up it's going to be going for gold (LeBron/Wade) or a big, most whom play the 4 or prefer to play the 4 (Boozer, Amare, Bosh).

I believe Pierce will resign w/Boston.

[SMC0007]

Pierce is another SF crammed into a SG role around here. I'd rather have Ray Allen, who is probably the best shooter in the game and he still runs wild all over the court getting open looks.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Pierce is another SF crammed into a SG role around here. I'd rather have Ray Allen, who is probably the best shooter in the game and he still runs wild all over the court getting open looks.

Ray Allen? You mean that guy who occasionally catches fire and nails 5 or 6 threes in a game, but typically goes 1/8 or 0/5? You mean that guy who failed to show in 6/7ths of the Finals? You mean that guy who shot more 3's last year than Terry at a lower percentage? Allen goes to the FT line less, gets less steals, and turns the ball over more. And he comes with the mentality that he deserves shots, because he's a superstar. That's not true anymore. Ray Allen is the EXACT SAME player as Jason Terry is right now, with maybe slightly improved defense.

Give me Korver, Redick or Mike Miller. All three come way cheaper than Allen and don't need a lot of looks but knock down the ones they have at a very high percentage (at 54, 41 an 48% respectively last year). Or just keep JET, tone down his minutes, and use him like Allen without losing his fan appeal (to casual fans), his team leadership, his 4th quarter clutch (fading, but still shows up from time to time), or his knowledge of the system.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Ray Allen? You mean that guy who occasionally catches fire and nails 5 or 6 threes in a game, but typically goes 1/8 or 0/5? You mean that guy who failed to show in 6/7ths of the Finals? You mean that guy who shot more 3's last year than Terry at a lower percentage? Allen goes to the FT line less, gets less steals, and turns the ball over more. And he comes with the mentality that he deserves shots, because he's a superstar. That's not true anymore. Ray Allen is the EXACT SAME player as Jason Terry is right now, with maybe slightly improved defense.

Give me Korver, Redick or Mike Miller. All three come way cheaper than Allen and don't need a lot of looks but knock down the ones they have at a very high percentage (at 54, 41 an 48% respectively last year). Or just keep JET, tone down his minutes, and use him like Allen without losing his fan appeal (to casual fans), his team leadership, his 4th quarter clutch (fading, but still shows up from time to time), or his knowledge of the system.

Jet is NOT the same exact player Ray Allen is. I'm not saying he would be our savior by any stretch but Pierce would be expensive and is too big and slow to guard SG in the same way Caron is night after night. I'm worried about trying to force guys in at the SG position.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Jet is NOT the same exact player Ray Allen is. I'm not saying he would be our savior by any stretch but Pierce would be expensive and is too big and slow to guard SG in the same way Caron is night after night. I'm worried about trying to force guys in at the SG position.

Could explain why you don't think JET and Allen are the same player? Look, in a vacuum, Allen is a bit better. He's more efficient inside the arc, and he plays better defense. But when you look at JET, all he's done for the team, his chemistry, his leadership, his ability to prevent and overcome injuries, and his longevity with this team...he's simply a better fit than replacing him with a player than is very close in production this last year, maybe slightly better.

Terry averaged 16.6 ppg, Allen 16.3
Terry shot 36.5% from 3, Allen 36.3%
Terry shot 87% from the line, Allen 91%
Terry took 4.8 3's, making 1.8 of them per game. Allen took 5 3's, making 1.8 of them per game.
Terry turned the ball over 109 times, Allen turned it over 129 times.

Explain to me how they aren't anything but clones of each other at this point in their careers.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Could explain why you don't think JET and Allen are the same player? Look, in a vacuum, Allen is a bit better. He's more efficient inside the arc, and he plays better defense. But when you look at JET, all he's done for the team, his chemistry, his leadership, his ability to prevent and overcome injuries, and his longevity with this team...he's simply a better fit than replacing him with a player than is very close in production this last year, maybe slightly better.

Terry averaged 16.6 ppg, Allen 16.3
Terry shot 36.5% from 3, Allen 36.3%
Terry shot 87% from the line, Allen 91%
Terry took 4.8 3's, making 1.8 of them per game. Allen took 5 3's, making 1.8 of them per game.
Terry turned the ball over 109 times, Allen turned it over 129 times.

Explain to me how they aren't anything but clones of each other at this point in their careers.

Ray Allen can actually play defense, you are greatly underestimating that. There's really not much comparison in that area, Terrys defense is horrible.

He is a true SG unlike Jet who has been caught in between all his career
pretty much. Like I said earlier, he isn't our savior but it's better than Jet no question.

[rabbitproof]

I do not like the NY development. Donnie is hanging out in Dallas waiting.. and whatmore.. if we knew LeBron or Wade was going to be having dinner that night in town.. WWCD?

Cuban would probably call all the major restaurants big-timers go to for big-time dinners, pay for that meal plus some 50,000 dollar bottle of wine and then ask him to have breakfast in the morning (or go to a superstar lounge for a drink in the evening).

May all be nothing and if it soothes Dirk, cool, but have to wonder what it would've been like if we got the 12:01 agreement and the team (Cuban + Donnie/Kidd/Dirk) all went to talk to JJ.

[SMC0007]

If ATL signs JJ back, how long before they can turn around and trade him?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

If ATL signs JJ back, how long before they can turn around and trade him?

Dec. 15th, I believe.

FWIW, realgm currently has a link up stating that the Hawks' offer to JJ does not, at present, include a 6th year.