(NSFW) OFFICIAL: Deandre Jordan sucks

[bunkmoreland]

Heard the guys talking on 103.3 ESPN radio saying something about DeAndre going to work on shooting freethrows underhanded. Not sure if it is just a joke or what.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Are we bringing Rick Barry in to teach him?

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

This interview makes me so proud to be a Dirk fan. I think it's awesome that he grew up idolizing Dirk. Sure sounds like he's going to work on his free throws in the offseason. After knowing this, I don't think it was ever 50/50 with the Clippers. Once he asked for 4 years, it was over.

Just hope it's only FTs and 10-12ft jumpers.
I don't want that guy too far from the basket.

It will be great to have some 2nd chance shots this year. He should blow up the record book on rebounds playing with Dirk and Parsons.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

Heard the guys talking on 103.3 ESPN radio saying something about DeAndre going to work on shooting freethrows underhanded. Not sure if it is just a joke or what.

Worked for Wilt.

[hayth.james.g]

I just think it's laughable when LAC fans say Deandre needs CP3 to be effective. Did none of them watch Brandon Wright for us? I get that Paul is the best but to say that our system wouldn't be fantastic for him is just ignorant. I am curious to see how much he can evolve with us. I truly think he will be a 15/15 guy for us.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I just think it's laughable when LAC fans say Deandre needs CP3 to be effective. Did none of them watch Brandon Wright for us? I get that Paul is the best but to say that our system wouldn't be fantastic for him is just ignorant. I am curious to see how much he can evolve with us. I truly think he will be a 15/15 guy for us.

Totally agree with this. LAC and national media act like it takes CP3 to execute a simple lob to the rolling big man to the rim.

They clearly never needed a lawyer either.



Btw I'm going to miss this one.... A lot.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

LA fans are just butt hurt because it looks like Hibbert is going to be fumbling lobs for them next season.

[EastTxMFFL]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I just think it's laughable when LAC fans say Deandre needs CP3 to be effective. Did none of them watch Brandon Wright for us? I get that Paul is the best but to say that our system wouldn't be fantastic for him is just ignorant. I am curious to see how much he can evolve with us. I truly think he will be a 15/15 guy for us.

The majority of Clippers fans I've seen talking about DJ since yesterday have been underselling him big time while overselling CP. "Deandre is a nobody without CP3 and Dallas overpaid big time." It's pretty funny to see them say "Why would he want to go to Dallas when they aren't winning anything?" What exactly has Chris Paul and the Clippers won? Deandre is actually wanted here and is in a much better situation for his career AND brand.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by EastTxMFFL

The majority of Clippers fans I've seen talking about DJ since yesterday have been underselling him big time while overselling CP. "Deandre is a nobody without CP3 and Dallas overpaid big time." It's pretty funny to see them say "Why would he want to go to Dallas when they aren't winning anything?" What exactly has Chris Paul and the Clippers won? Deandre is actually wanted here and is in a much better situation for his career AND brand.

To Clippers fans everywhere.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by EastTxMFFL

The majority of Clippers fans I've seen talking about DJ since yesterday have been underselling him big time while overselling CP. "Deandre is a nobody without CP3 and Dallas overpaid big time." It's pretty funny to see them say "Why would he want to go to Dallas when they aren't winning anything?" What exactly has Chris Paul and the Clippers won? Deandre is actually wanted here and is in a much better situation for his career AND brand.

Ha, that's too funny, this is the guy Clippers brass was willing to fork over 108 million over to.....that don't sound like a guy who's only offense is predicated on Chris Paul. Clippers have not won anything either....and they won't for a few years in the Pacific.

[TVI]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Worked for Wilt.

Artis Gilmore too...

[Underdog]

@mavstats: DeAndre Jordan had four 20-pt/20-reb games last season. Mavs as a team have had only 1 since '03-04 (Dirk vs MIL 2/26/13).

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@mavstats: DeAndre Jordan had four 20-pt/20-reb games last season. Mavs as a team have had only 1 since '03-04 (Dirk vs MIL 2/26/13).

I expect him to have several 20+ RPG nights playing with Dirk and Parsons.

RC needs to unleash that beast offensively somehow. The more involved he is on offense the more motivated he'll most likely be on defense.

[LSMF]

All they have to do is give him the ball down low. He doesn't have the greatest skills or footwork but dude knows how to overwhelm people down low. He and Blake Griffin are good at playing "Bully Ball". Happy to have DJ here.

[Melonhead]

I haven't seen anyone BUT mavs fans on twitter, facebook, other message board think this was a good move for deandre. Everyone is dogging the move for deandre and for the mavs. They are laughing at the deal. From DJ cant do anything without CP3 to Mavs roster is garbage and noone can lob him the ball etc. Oh well a year from now mavs will be vying for WCF.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I haven't seen anyone BUT mavs fans on twitter, facebook, other message board think this was a good move for deandre. Everyone is dogging the move for deandre and for the mavs. They are laughing at the deal. From DJ cant do anything without CP3 to Mavs roster is garbage and noone can lob him the ball etc. Oh well a year from now mavs will be vying for WCF.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by LSMF

All they have to do is give him the ball down low.

That's exactly what they shouldn't do. Deandre is not the kind of player you can run your offense through. I don't mind a couple of post ups, but you cannot give him first option touches, even if you promised him that, because we won't go anywhere with that. He is an elite rebounder and shot blocker, and a prime target for lobs and putbacks. He is the best in the NBA at those, so we should help him do those, that's what will be best for the team.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

Heard the guys talking on 103.3 ESPN radio saying something about DeAndre going to work on shooting freethrows underhanded. Not sure if it is just a joke or what.

That would be amazing. If he can put his ego aside, I could easily see him shooting around 60%-65% underhanded, which would mean no more hack-a-DeAndre.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

That's exactly what they shouldn't do. Deandre is not the kind of player you can run your offense through. I don't mind a couple of post ups, but you cannot give him first option touches, even if you promised him that, because we won't go anywhere with that. He is an elite rebounder and shot blocker, and a prime target for lobs and putbacks. He is the best in the NBA at those, so we should help him do those, that's what will be best for the team.

Um, nowhere in my post did I say we should run our offense through him. All I was saying is that if you give him the ball down low he can and will finish. He's great at finishing off lobs and putbacks like you stated. But at the same time he's also good at sealing off defenders and finishing on the inside as well.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Dirk as a backup... That was pretty much only a consideration if LMA signed. But now, he and Jordan will play perfectly together. Great offensive compliments. You want Dirk in the starting lineup. He just might be the most efficient scorer on the team next year. He will have his share of open looks.

Dirk will be a big reason that Jordan shoots the best percentage in the league. Both will get plenty of open looks because of the other.

[bunkmoreland]

I expect that DeAndre will get more looks at the basket in Dallas just from being on the receiving end of some fast breaks and pick and rolls, even if there are not a bunch of set plays run for him.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by LSMF

But at the same time he's also good at sealing off defenders and finishing on the inside as well.

Not really, he doesn't have a reliable hook shot or turnaround. He has the occasional games where he shows a little bit of this and that, but he is not a particularly good back to the basket player. You can't just dump him the ball and expect him to finish it. It's gonna have to be lobs and pick&rolls the vast majority of the time.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Not really, he doesn't have a reliable hook shot or turnaround. He has the occasional games where he shows a little bit of this and that, but he is not a particularly good back to the basket player. You can't just dump him the ball and expect him to finish it. It's gonna have to be lobs and pick&rolls the vast majority of the time.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/2...griffin-injury
http://hoopshabit.com/2015/03/04/chr...blake-griffin/
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/04/dea...-blake-griffin

Just stop.

[rimrocker]

The thing I like best about having Jordan is a missed shot by a teammate is almost like a pass to him.
That's where a lot of his offense will come from.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/2...griffin-injury
http://hoopshabit.com/2015/03/04/chr...blake-griffin/
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/04/dea...-blake-griffin

Just stop.

Stop what? Those were facts. DeAndre is a seven-year veteran who pretty much posted the same scoring volume, on about the same efficiency since his rookie year, including his last season by the way. He is what he is as a scorer. Just look at the numbers on b-ball reference and make your own conclusion.

I'm not negative, I'm just realistic. Where Jordan improved a lot since his rookie season was rebounding and defense. That is where he will make most of his impact with us as well. If we try to feature him as a nr.1 option on offense, we will struggle to win games. He is not that kind of player, period. You pretty much linked the same article to me thrice btw, but thanks.

It was a tiny sample size in the grand scheme of things. I would rather believe his career stats. I'm very high on this signing, but because of his defense and rebounding. On offense, he should be our fourth option, especially in today's NBA. I don't really think Carlisle will feature him any differently either, no matter what Cuban promised him to get him on board.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Stop what? Those were facts. DeAndre is a seven-year veteran who pretty much posted the same scoring volume, on about the same efficiency since his rookie year, including his last season by the way. He is what he is as a scorer. Just look at the numbers on b-ball reference and make your own conclusion.

I'm not negative, I'm just realistic. Where Jordan improved a lot since his rookie season was rebounding and defense. That is where he will make most of his impact with us as well. If we try to feature him as a nr.1 option on offense, we will struggle to win games. He is not that kind of player, period. You pretty much linked the same article to me thrice btw, but thanks.

It was a tiny sample size in the grand scheme of things. I would rather believe his career stats. I'm very high on this signing, but because of his defense and rebounding. On offense, he should be our fourth option, especially in today's NBA. I don't really think Carlisle will feature him any differently either, no matter what Cuban promised him to get him on board.

"I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic" : The argument of every "Glass is half empty" person I have ever met.

You discredit that stretch of games because they are a "small sample size" when in fact they are the only sample size we can truly go on. He has continuously progressed in his career and he entered the league EXTREMELY raw. You want to take his 8 points a game 9 rebounds a game career stats? C'mon get real. Every single metric he has has increased each year he has been in the nba despite being a complete after thought on offense. Go rewatch those games where Blake was out. Also, I don't think I'm the master of "reading people", but after listening to the podcast of Cubans remarks I really don't think he was B.S'ing when he made those comments. DJ WILL be a very real focal point. He WILL get more than .9 sets to him in the paint.

It's almost like you think he is a career Ben Wallace guy. Sorry but I think very differently of him.

[Robillion]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Stop what? Those were facts. DeAndre is a seven-year veteran who pretty much posted the same scoring volume, on about the same efficiency since his rookie year, including his last season by the way. He is what he is as a scorer. Just look at the numbers on b-ball reference and make your own conclusion.

I'm not negative, I'm just realistic. Where Jordan improved a lot since his rookie season was rebounding and defense. That is where he will make most of his impact with us as well. If we try to feature him as a nr.1 option on offense, we will struggle to win games. He is not that kind of player, period. You pretty much linked the same article to me thrice btw, but thanks.

It was a tiny sample size in the grand scheme of things. I would rather believe his career stats. I'm very high on this signing, but because of his defense and rebounding. On offense, he should be our fourth option, especially in today's NBA. I don't really think Carlisle will feature him any differently either, no matter what Cuban promised him to get him on board.

You are completely ignoring the proof that when he has the room down in the post, he dominates. With Blake out of the way, and he is called to be a bigger offensive focus, he steps up. His PPG over his career reflect not having the opportunities to a big offensive threat. His PPG when he is given the opportunity reflect that he has huge potential to be.

Now HOW he gets his points is a different argument. But, that is up to Carlisle. To me a FG is a FG is a FG. Whether it is back to the basket, a lob, P&R, whatever. Carlisle is going to put Deandre in a position to be successful, and this time around DJ doesn't have another post player clogging things up, or really any other dominate offensive focus in his way. In other words, he has the opportunity to get his if he proves he can be just as efficient has he has been when given the opportunity in the past.

[bunkmoreland]

I don't think he will ever be a guy that you just give the ball to in the post and let him work with his back to the basket and create his shot, at least not consistently. But he doesn't need to do that. Being out of the shadow of Blake Griffin, with our 4 being more of an outside shooter, DeAndre should get more shots per game and points per game in Dallas, just as he did when Blake was injured, just from being the recipient of more lobs and more pick and roll involvement. I'm happy with that. He could average 15 and 15 easily.
Hopefully, Cuban did not sell him on just having the ball fed to him all the time.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Robillion

You are completely ignoring the proof that when he has the room down in the post, he dominates. With Blake out of the way, and he is called to be a bigger offensive focus, he steps up. His PPG over his career reflect not having the opportunities to a big offensive threat. His PPG when he is given the opportunity reflect that he has huge potential to be.

Now HOW he gets his points is a different argument. But, that is up to Carlisle. To me a FG is a FG is a FG. Whether it is back to the basket, a lob, P&R, whatever. Carlisle is going to put Deandre in a position to be successful, and this time around DJ doesn't have another post player clogging things up, or really any other dominate offensive focus in his way. In other words, he has the opportunity to get his if he proves he can be just as efficient has he has been when given the opportunity in the past.

This ^^^^

[LSMF]

I'm convinced some people only watch DeAndre Jordan highlights on Youtube. Like I've said before he's not very skilled down in the post, but he knows how to use his size to overwhelm defenders. I actually have seen him and Blake Griffin take turns aggressively backing down defenders until the defense was too deep in the paint to stop them. If you think all DJ can do is catch the ball and dunk then you're stuck in 2012. This argument actually is reminiscent of those people who still insist that Blake Griffin only plays off of his athleticism and has nothing else to offer. It's evident some people only watch Youtube highlights of these players.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Not really, he doesn't have a reliable hook shot or turnaround. He has the occasional games where he shows a little bit of this and that, but he is not a particularly good back to the basket player. You can't just dump him the ball and expect him to finish it. It's gonna have to be lobs and pick&rolls the vast majority of the time.

I'm guessing you haven't heard Cuban radio interview. Because that's the exact pitch they gave to deandre. He will most definitely be starting his hook/turnaround in dallas. Itll be bumpy at first, but he will hopefully be evolving. They believe he's a Dwight Howard type but clippers aren't letting him showcase it

[mavs777]

Deandre shot 47% in the post last year which is very good on a small sample, of course the turnovers and FT's brought down the PPP.

He'sbeen overrated on defense, and underrated on offense for a couple of years, his pick n roll offense and rim running is extremely underrating as well as his offensive rebounding. Even with his awful free throw shooting.

[Underdog]

@espn_macmahon: Chandler Parsons on DeAndre Jordan: "He has a chance to be the best center in the NBA the next 10 years." http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...andler-parsons

[EastTxMFFL]

I can just picture Parsons hanging out inside Jordan's house and all of a sudden hearing Marc Cuban screaming. I know as a fan I was super happy to hear he was coming to Dallas but I can only imagine how relieved Cuban and co. felt after the past few offseasons.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Chandler Parsons on DeAndre Jordan: "He has a chance to be the best center in the NBA the next 10 years." http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...andler-parsons

LOL, sure. DeAndre, whose game is obviously built on his athleticism, will be the best center at the age of 35-36. But to prove that I can be all smiles and stuff, can we already peg Blake down for 2017 or what? The guy has two best friends in the NBA, Chandler Parsons and DeAndre Jordan.

Our core or 28-year-olds would sure look nice. Dirk coming back for one more year at the veteran minimum to chase some records and more rings... Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully the Clippers will be good enough in the next year or two that he doesn't request a trade.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Deandre shot 47% in the post last year which is very good on a small sample, of course the turnovers and FT's brought down the PPP.

He'sbeen overrated on defense, and underrated on offense for a couple of years, his pick n roll offense and rim running is extremely underrating as well as his offensive rebounding. Even with his awful free throw shooting.

Can I find the league stats on this somewhere? I could be wrong, but I think the best low post scorers in the NBA usually finish around 55-60% of their low-post attempts.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Can I find the league stats on this somewhere? I could be wrong, but I think the best low post scorers in the NBA usually finish around 55-60% of their low-post attempts.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/pos...gular%20Season

Deandre shot 18-38 in post

Synergy Sports Tech ‏@SynergySST · Jul 3
DeAndre Jordan shot 47% going 1-on-1 from the block, but ranked in the 32nd %ile scoring .74 points per post up possession due to low FT%.

Just got to get that ft% up, think he may have had randomness and shot it even worse when fouled in the post.

[Murphy3]

I am kinda curious as to whether or not the new additions this year and next will extend Dirk's career.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I am kinda curious as to whether or not the new additions this year and next will extend Dirk's career.

Depending what they can land next year I could see Dirk signing a one year contract assuming he is still playing quality ball and having fun.

[Underdog]

@espn_macmahon: Chandler Parsons on DeAndre Jordan: "We plan on playing the rest of our career together."